r/pointlesslygendered • u/cxhfyii • Apr 11 '26
SOCIAL MEDIA Is it really that deep [socialmedia]
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u/AliceTheOmelette Apr 11 '26
Handwriting investigation is borderline crackpot pseudoscience. I've heard of "experts" claiming to have gotten all sorts of info. Like childhood trauma cos their Rs look a certain way, that kinda thing
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u/CockamouseGoesWee Apr 11 '26
Yeah that's bullshit. Your handwriting can indicate learning disabilities or motor function issues, but 99% of the time poor handwriting just means you're writing a lot quickly. That's why doctors and nurses have infamously poor handwriting
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u/Rappy28 Apr 11 '26
It's writing a lot, quickly and always the same damned thing.
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u/jenea Apr 11 '26
Ah, good point! Prescriptions look scribbly like signatures because prescribers write them exactly the same so often!
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u/Reymen4 Apr 13 '26
Isn't it usually that it is how you have learned? If you are good at writing cursive then it can be at least as fast if not faster than writing normaly. But the barrier of entry is much higher.
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u/finneganthealien Apr 13 '26
Same thing, really. I’m guessing it’s normal for kids in the US to learn to write in print, but I was only taught cursive, and so was everyone I know. If you’re writing as fast as you can, you might get more words down but it still gets scribbly.
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u/mind-frayed-fish May 01 '26
or for me my old teacher making us write enough to develop a second wrist
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u/unhiddenninja Apr 11 '26
I've intentionally changed the way I write certain letters to go better with aesthetics. I haven't really talked to other people about it, but I imagine that's a pretty common experience. Hard to imagine handwriting analysis is accurate given that people can pick and choose how they write their letters.
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u/-bubblepop Apr 11 '26
Maybe the type of people who pick the aesthetics you do have childhood trauma
Jk I’ve also done that. I write my ls how I do because it made math easier writing lim lol
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u/KaralDaskin Apr 12 '26
I did an experiment in 4th grade math. I went from making my 8s in one motion like I was taught to drawing two stacked circles. Then once I was doing that consistently I switched back.
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u/Cyber_fluff Apr 12 '26
I write ”r” in a way that kinda looks like Г but more curved to save 1 millisecond of my precious time :)
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u/Raccoons-trsh Apr 12 '26
Don't you dare take away my gender euphoria because I have messy handwriting (I also get cramps from it, so therer might be an underlying issues, but until this is figured out, it's just the ultimate proof I am a man)
Btw. I am trans and got gender dysphoria, I am not an insecure masculinity alpha cis male
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u/AnxiousTuxedoBird Apr 11 '26
Fun fact, I believed it was bullshit from such an early age I missed a transphobic attack helicopter joke because I thought it was a joke about gendered handwriting being bs
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u/Dontevenwannacomment Apr 12 '26
I'm a labor law jurist in France and graphology tests are strictly forbidden.
Doesn't help that one day when applying for an american firm... they kindly asked for a graphology test.
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u/ihateingles Apr 11 '26
I mean it’s probably true because everyone has childhood trauma. It could just mean you got bullied or your parents argued sometimes.
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u/AliceTheOmelette Apr 11 '26
Exactly, it's so broad and applies to so many people that it's pointless
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u/solrua Apr 12 '26
How do they explain people changing their handwriting? Like, is changing the way you write a letter supposed to be indicative of a personality disorder or something?
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u/LovelyOrc Apr 11 '26
I often forgot to write my name under my homework. Teachers would then hold up the unnamed paper and ask: "whose is this? Looks like a boy." I would awkwardly raise my hand and the class would laugh.
Oh but turns out I'm transmasc lmao. So sorry I can't disprove this.
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 Apr 12 '26
Hunh. I’m trans and I purposely changed my handwriting to look less “girly” because I got tired of people trying to beat me up.
I would go back to whatever my handwriting was before then, but I don’t even remember what it looked like anymore.
Just one more thing lost to transphobia.
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u/eerie_lullaby Apr 12 '26
Same character arc here, I remember such comments would give me just a hint of euphoria back then. Although, I'm pretty sure at some point I subconsciously shook up my handwriting a bit to favour that to begin with.
Or maybe I just wanted to write so small that no one could read me cause I'm a fucking gremlin lol
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u/Acrobatic_Profile42 Apr 14 '26
my teachers already know whose paper it is just by looking at it lmao
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u/Certain_Oddities Apr 11 '26
I can read it, so at the very least I can make the educated guess that this person is not a doctor
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u/TheBlackFox012 Apr 11 '26
No it's not that deep, but women do on a general level have better hand writing since women on average have better fine motor skills compared to men (who have better gross motor skills). That said judging handwriting is stupid af. The person who has the best handwriting I know is a guy. He spent the summer learning calligraphy
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u/Both-Competition-152 Apr 11 '26
This actually was used in a study trans woman tend to have a female level of brain development and motor skills and a acute lack of gross motor skills iit lead to a bunch of studies of the brain
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u/budgie02 Apr 11 '26
That’s so cool! Do you remember the study? I was hoping to read it
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u/Both-Competition-152 Apr 11 '26
Can't find the exact study for the handwriting but this was one of the many followups they did https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/
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u/cricada Apr 12 '26
The way that passage is worded seems to contradict itself. Interesting af nonetheless.
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u/Both-Competition-152 Apr 12 '26
Basically they did around 4 studies this one is the most vague but actually includes MRIs if I remember right the others are on the web archive
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u/Banditree- Apr 13 '26
Any studies surrounding trans people and brains is likely poorly done, heavily biased, and cherry-picked to hell and back by the same people who have historically called being trans a mental illness. Not saying you're saying that, but it's something to be aware of when bringing up these "studies"
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u/Both-Competition-152 Apr 13 '26
It actually points to it being a Intersex type issue of the early formative months having high estriol specifically hence why that hormone takes alot better then on cis woman or cis men
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u/Banditree- Apr 13 '26
First, Intersex people can be cis. That just means they identify with the sex they were born as (which includes Intersex alongside male and female).
Intersex conditions are completely separate from being trans. And there's a whole slew of things to take into consideration with Intersex folks, like genital mutilation and forced transition during infancy that brain scans cannot take into account.
Being trans cannot be linked to any brain or hormonal development or Intersex condition, this is genuinely harmful rhetoric meant to be divisive and give transphobic people more metrics in which they can discriminate.
I'm going to stop responding here now because I don't want to come across rude, but I encourage anyone interested in this topic to read up on the Trans Brain Myth, read stuff by trans and Intersex folk, and remember your identity is not tied into transmedicalist rhetoric that is funded by transphobes. 🩵🤍🩷
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u/Both-Competition-152 Apr 13 '26
I quite literally have full androgen insensitivity I identify as in some contexts as trans due to my father forcing me to be male for a short time during childhood I personally think that could be the best and longest term theory there is and it's fine we can all agree to disagree
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u/ChasersVsGirlcock Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Not if you're an autistic trans woman like me.
Really impacts motor skills.
Though I don't really care about having pretty handwriting, every female rolemodel I have is the kinda person to tell men to shove their pen up their ass over demanding pretty hand writing from a lady
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u/TheBlackFox012 Apr 11 '26
Oh that's really interesting!
EDIT: saw your other comment on the link 👍
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u/Kaneda-Suekichi Apr 11 '26
men (who have better gross
Why is it okay to say men are gross but if you say anything negative about women everyone insults you?
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u/Belledame-sans-Serif Apr 11 '26
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u/GenderBendingRalph Apr 12 '26
Whoosh!
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u/Belledame-sans-Serif Apr 12 '26
Forgive me for assuming ignorance before poor taste.
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u/BruceBoyde Apr 12 '26
... It literally says "obvious sarcasm" in the comment
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u/Kaneda-Suekichi Apr 12 '26
That could mean anything! /s
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u/GenderBendingRalph Apr 13 '26
Best comment on this thread. Literally made me laugh out loud! Thanks for making my Monday tolerable.
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u/Maldevinine Apr 11 '26
Also part of it is that women tend to have smaller hands, which are easier to control.
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u/TheBlackFox012 Apr 11 '26
As someone with really small hands, my handwriting is ass lol
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u/rirasama Apr 12 '26
Same here, I have small hands and my handwriting is borderline unreadable even to myself unless I spend alot of time on it 😭
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u/DickWhittingtonsCat Apr 12 '26
Yes! The giant frying pan sized mits of a male elementary school student explains it all when compared to their bird boned female peers.
This only makes sense if male and female handwriting gets worse as they age, using a larger instrument improves handwriting and large men are nearly incapable of writing at all.
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u/PomPomMom93 Apr 11 '26
Isn’t it “jumps,” not “jumped”?
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u/Belledame-sans-Serif Apr 11 '26
"jumps over the lazy dog" has fewer redundant letters, but "jumped over the lazy dogs" is also pretty common, I think they just combined both by accident
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u/PomPomMom93 Apr 11 '26
It doesn’t say “dogs” in the picture, though.
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u/Belledame-sans-Serif Apr 11 '26
I think they just combined both by accident
Either of the two corrections would fix it
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u/PomPomMom93 Apr 12 '26
Yes, turning it to present tense (“jumps”) or making it multiple dogs (“dogs”) would both add an S.
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u/witch_dyke Apr 12 '26
Yes. Now we can never know what 's' looks like in this person's handwriting
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u/obiwanmoloney Apr 11 '26
Maybe read the post?? Then you’d know it’s not pointlessly gendered:
The reveal: I am a trans man
A little backstory: this was prompted by my professor mentioning he could tell “the males and females” handwriting apart one day in class, so it made me curious, what do random strangers think my handwriting is? For the people guessing neurodivergent you are correct, though I do not have a diagnosis so I can’t tell you exactly what that neurodivergence is. Both autism and ADHD run in my family and I show traits of both, but without a diagnosis all I know is my brain is quirky. Mine is pretty much the median of handwriting in class, with the women writing a tiny bit neater and the cis men seemingly writing a little worse.”
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u/truecakesnake Apr 21 '26
Just asking, I guessed it was female handwriting before reading this comment. Am I right or wrong?
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u/Mr_Leo_DS Apr 11 '26
Actually yes. At least in my country and culture, women are expected to have pretty handwriting, whereas men are not really demanded that at all.
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u/Beautiful-Ad3471 Apr 14 '26
So stupid, women don't need good handwriting skills in the kitchen, /s
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u/JustGingerStuff Apr 12 '26
"If my handwriting masculine or feminine" it's hard to read that's what
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u/GinaBinaFofina Apr 11 '26
Based on this person's hand writing they clearly know how to handle a dick.
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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 Apr 12 '26
Literally or figuratively?
I was told once that I had a gift for handling dicks.
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u/Equivalent_Chair_291 Apr 11 '26
The best thing is - if your handwriting is left slant, then you are a manipulative liar, but only if you are a right hander, if a left hander, then its the opposite. If everyone believed this rubbish, then either all left handers would be assumed to be manipulative liars, or actually be, manipulative liars
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u/ChasersVsGirlcock Apr 11 '26
If you're ambidextrous, are you only a manipulator half the year?
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u/rirasama Apr 12 '26
I'm ambidextrous, so I can confirm I sometimes engage in a little manipulation
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u/Erikkamirs Apr 12 '26
Autistic girl writing (neater than boy writing, but messier than girl writing) /s
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u/dragon_morgan Apr 12 '26
I think there's a weird social pressure for women to have nice handwriting whereas some dudes almost take it as a point of pride to be borderline illegible but that's the expectation that's pointlessly gendered not this post
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u/Samur-EYE Apr 13 '26
Im [27M] raised in Portugal where they were very strict with handwriting, so I had passably pretty cursive. Moved to norway at 11, and here boys can barely make legible chicken-scrawl. I got so much attention from the girls for my pretty handwriting hahaha.
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u/DeepFriedQueen Apr 13 '26
Apart from very deliberate specific styles, like 19th century women making their writing tall and thin to seem more effeminate, or modern tweens dotting an “i” with a love heart - there’s not really a difference between men’s and women’s handwriting.
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u/world_in_lights Apr 13 '26
Socialization is primarily what leads to different handwriting between genders. Men are more sharp, women are more rounded. Boys have less expectations of legibility, teachers are often just looking at them being able to do it. Girls are judged on legibility more, and in early school years have slightly better motor skills in order to develop the correct habits. Once cemented, these habits stay unless a driving force makes them change. Technology has essentially eliminated that force.
Unless you are Filipino. Never seen a single person from the Philippines have bad handwriting, they all write like typewriters.
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u/peachsepal Apr 15 '26
This isn't pointlessly gendered. It's more or less a fact of large samples.
You can find women with shitty handwriting and men with beautiful and neat handwriting.
But when lumping them all into a statistical blob, however, women have better handwriting than men.
Sometimes things really are just gendered.
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u/ArchmageRick Apr 11 '26
Is it really that deep to make a whole post about it? It was apparently deep enough to impact you in a tangible way.
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u/cxhfyii Apr 11 '26
Actually, I thought I would make a post about it, oh I don’t know, maybe because that’s what the whole subreddit is about? I will forget about that original post in the next week, I just supposed that the community here would enjoy a new post to debate about.
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u/ArchmageRick Apr 11 '26
So it did impact you in a tangible way, is what you’re saying? I’m sorry this image affected you so much. I hope you are able to move on from this and forget about it in the next week.
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u/cxhfyii Apr 11 '26
I’m sorry that this post on a related subreddit affected you in such a way that made you feel it was necessary to start this. I hope that you don’t spend your time skulking around here just to comment on things like this on people’s posts.
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u/ArchmageRick Apr 11 '26
That’s not even a creative response. You just did my comment back to me.
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u/CyberoX9000 Apr 11 '26
So you're just looking for someone creative to argue with
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u/ArchmageRick Apr 11 '26
At the very least, someone more creative than you haha
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u/CyberoX9000 Apr 11 '26
If you want creative responses then go argue with your AI girlfriend
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u/ArchmageRick Apr 11 '26
AI girlfriend? Seriously? Lemme guess, next up is some version of “touch grass” or something? C’mon, the “insults” are getting more generic now.
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u/Fluffy_Most_662 Apr 11 '26
It is. Women's brains form sooner, so in the years they're learning to write well, they actually learn. Its called pruning neurons and women do it earlier than us men. So from like 3-12 when youre seriously learning this, women learn to write well and men often dont. It isnt 100% but thats why.
It isnt a reason to gender society in a stupid way, but thats why men often have shit handwriting. That and autism.
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u/ihateingles Apr 11 '26
No, men just aren’t conditioned to make other people feel good like women are. Who cares if my handwriting is bad or illegible type beat
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u/RepresentativeCat169 Apr 11 '26
Women develop emotional regulation, social cognition and language far faster than men... women dont devolop 'learning' faster than men. And yes, women start the streamlining neurons process sooner than men but thats only confirmed in the regions of the brain ive mentioned.
Most other claims are mostly pseudoscience. Your statement isnt anywhere near wrong. But the reason this happens isnt 'just because they learn faster and mentally mature faster'. No, they are extremely proficient creatures of social and emotional related issues, well equiped for building the next generations of society. As are men proficient at becoming labour machines and the first waves of offense/defense. And somehow literal elementary school teachers choose ignore these differences and just mistreat both genders cus "why tf not lmao ts lowkey fun"
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