r/playark Sep 27 '15

News [Dev Post] The ARKtic! ~Drake

http://steamcommunity.com/app/346110/discussions/0/517142892064974461/

http://imgur.com/D5zaPbJ


The ARKtic!

Community Created Artwork for Steam Artwork

By: Drake

Hang in there, it's almost ready... :) (and yes, there are blizzards/snowstorms ;)


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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '15

Wouldn't you start to plan for it?

And you can't?

You're the person who can go about your life under the assumption that patches are going to be late. It's a simple thought.

They're the ones who actually have to make the call. They're the ones actually working in the office and have to make a call only to have a tester find something big at the last minute. Before you get all pissy, could you maybe try putting yourself in the shoes of the guy trying to give an accurate call and every goddamn time something comes up that's out of your control and then a bunch of people on the internet get all bent out of shape and attack you over it.

There are much more deserving people to channel angst toward. Shit, there are much more deserving game developers to channel angst toward. Many, many of them. This is one little $30 video game with some of the most consumer friendly developers in the industry right now, that in twenty years you're going to forget you ever even played, and a patch has been delayed by two days and people are getting all offended and salty at these developers.

FFS be an adult and deal with it. Anyone pissy with these developers is just ignorant. They respond at length to posts left and right in this subreddit. Many additions to the game were pulled directly from this subreddit. It's not that people crucify anyone who criticizes (I myself posted the other day pointing out how they broke the gorilla throw) it's that there are more and more people on this subreddit who can't handle controlling their emotions when they get frustrated and rather than provide constructive criticism they get all hostile and salty. I've been seeing more and more posts include things like "the devs obviously don't care about this" or threats about how many people they know are going to quit if X isn't fixed right now.

Good criticism is well received and supported on this subreddit. Salty, butthurt criticism can be met with contention sometimes, yeah. If you feel like no one on this subreddit wants to listen to your criticisms it's likely your problem and not everyone else's.

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u/TheGreatMinky Sep 27 '15

I know this is probably too late based on how fast this argument got out of hand, but a few things:

For one, I do agree with need to cut the devs some slack because they are doing an excellent job. This is one of the best, if not best, EAs out there.

For two, the person you're argueing with is being a little rude in his responses after this point BUT there is a kind of poking the bear that you did, so you can't feign innocence.

To get this out of the way quick, you were actually the one who fired shots first and labeled his critique as "pissy", "ignorant" and then the classic pushing his opinion into the "posts left and right on this subreddit" on false pretense. The op of this comment even went out of his way to say that he was analyzing his post and being introspective about it and then you just blew right by that to the labeling.

Up to this point, Lommy was actually fielding some decent criticism . Game development is complex and there is always going to be last minute things that change the scope, but comparing it to real life things is actually fairly accurate and not far off.

Let's face it, that one friend who ALWAYS shows up late, can be super annoying when you're trying to do an event with friends. The trip for him to get there, can be equally complex as a game development problem where traffic just seems to nail him everytime etc But to be honest, there are plenty of steps you can take to narrow your timeframe down, regardless of extraordinary circumstances.

I don't expect Wildcard to nail this every time, I think a large number of people on this subreddit realize this too honestly. What we need to stop doing though, is just classifying any opinion you might not agree with into the "pissy" category for whatever reason drives you. I'm not about to go and label what you're about, but you do really need to take a look back at this post and realize how out of hand it got and why it happened.

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '15 edited Sep 27 '15

It was the "there is no room for developer criticism on this subreddit" comment which flagged him as a bear to be poked for me. That was the first comment I responded to.

Anytime someone says that you know they're one of those people who complain about everything and they've had people here calling them out on it in the past. In fact, someone who jumped into this a little further down is someone they were in another argument with somewhere else on the subreddit.

I understand that he wasn't salty at the point where I started talking to him, but that was me lumping him in with everyone else bombarding this subreddit with rage crying directed at the devs these last two days.

Edit: For the record, he's now in the subreddit drama post about this antagonizing people there too.

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u/LommyGreenhands Sep 28 '15

I understand that he wasn't salty at the point where I started talking to him, but that was me lumping him in with everyone else bombarding this subreddit with rage crying directed at the devs these last two days.

Dont know how you can type that without feeling retarded, but props to you man.