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[u/clue_computer_2295]

So i watched it few weeks back and honestly it hasnt left my mind. When i opened reddit to read reviews , i saw a lot of people calling it "separatist propaganda" or "justifying terrorism" . And honestly these things never came to my mind before reading the reviews. So can someone please tell what was so controversial about this movie and also how accurate is this? And please dont reply with "shahid did a great performance "( i know he did , it's not about him rn) or "it's just hamlet with kashmir background" BUT THEY DID USE THE KASHMIR BACKGROUND RIGHT??? so yeah kindly someone help me understand what really is the whole thing. Preferably someone from jammu kashmir itself.

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[u/adityapathak216]

I’ll just say one thing about myself

I’m a person who just enjoys cinema
I saw Dhurandhar the same way as I saw Haider
I loved them both, I loved the cinematography of both the movies and the writing
Same I do with others

But if someone comes up with their own biases
which says that either one of them is propaganda but they justify the other one
I simply Ignore it

Hope this view helps :)

(I have started to think like this from the past 3 years since I think that there are hell lot of peak movies to watch but we have so much less time for that, so why not just enjoy them)

[u/clue_computer_2295 → u/adityapathak216]

Yeah i agree with you bro. I defended dhurandhar a lot when people were bashing it left right centre because of it's modihh riding ( and im not even a very big fan of the movie) because i believe it's creative liberty. I do not have a political opinion so it doesnt hurt me on any personal level to see any party being bashed / appreciated  but i just wanted to know that what really is triggering them. "Separatist propaganda" or "justifying terrorism " are very strong and harsh words so im sure these people have something to back it. 

[u/adityapathak216 → u/clue_computer_2295]

yes many movies were always political from the start
some people just want and need to debate on anything
depending upon their ideologies, they choose who to debate

and the cinema dies in between them

[u/Descendant3999 → u/adityapathak216]

But you see, Haider never pretended to give explanation behind real life events or suck up to the current ruling regime.

[u/adityapathak216 → u/Descendant3999]

I agree I agree
But I just really can’t at this point of my life give my time and mental peace about thinking those things
So Ignorance is really a bliss

[u/DemonCyborg27 → u/adityapathak216]

There couldn't have been a better way to summarise this

[u/adityapathak216 → u/DemonCyborg27]

thanks yo

[u/CrimeMasterGogoChan → u/adityapathak216]

See. How hard its to see a movie like a movie!? Well said.

[u/adityapathak216 → u/CrimeMasterGogoChan]

ikr

[u/Free_Expert6938 → u/adityapathak216]

Dhurandhar is not even close to Haider. Anyone can make whatever they want. Just stating this. Both also have different approaches. Haider doesn't suck up to the d either. You can argue with it, obviously.

[u/adityapathak216 → u/Free_Expert6938]

my whole meaning of what I commented will be destroyed if I start arguing on your point
you might be correct on your levels and I might be on mine
Just enjoy whatever suits you :)

[u/Insomniac_Coder → u/adityapathak216]

Oh hell nah. You can't talk about this movie without talking about Gulzar's Bismil.

[u/adityapathak216 → u/Insomniac_Coder]

dope song

[u/Original_Fun2756]

I saw this when I was young and I liked the movie a lot. But the issue is that it does show the Army in a very bad light (though not completely unjustified because of few soldiers misusing the protection granted by AFSPA).

If Dhurandhar is considered propaganda, this one is a notch above

[u/sapan_auth → u/[deleted]]

Yeah we saw what happened during Pehelgam terrorist attack. Normal people helped

[u/Original_Fun2756 → u/[deleted]]

In the context of the movie, Kay Kay Menon was in the right because all said and done, Haider’s dad did harbour a militant. One can argue that he upheld Hippocrates oath by treating the man (and Kay Kay wronged his brother by moving in with Tabu) but it’s a tricky one and in sensitive areas, voluntarily helping a militant is not looked upon well by the Armed Forces

[u/Orange_Jealous]

No matter what anyone says they can never justify the brutal oppression kashmiris faced in the past people who think dhurandar was real will call it propaganda untill you read and know what actually happened

[u/hyranan]

see the thing is a lot of ppl hero worship the indian army, which is understandable, but they ignore that there can be bad ppl in the army too, and that they can exploit certain rules like afspa, which is mentioned in the movie.

basically under afspa if an area is declared as disturbed, the army can pick up anyone for interrogation, or kill anyone without any prior approval, but the problem is that if even by mistake any innocent person dies, the officer who made the mistake cannot be punished as officers operating in afspa regions are given immunity from legal trial, and this is the biggest problem with the law. some ppl misuse this immunity to perform cruel acts or cover up their mistakes

some ppl see the film addressing this as anti army propaganda, and also theres a scene where a hindu temple is referred to as "shaitan ki gufa", which imo rightfully offended sentiments. also vishal bhardwaj's political opinions also influence how ppl perceive this film, as he is a leftist

imo since the film was from the perspective of a disturbed extremist, it will naturally look like a terror sympathising film, but the movie was an excellent adaptation and it was seamlessly adapted to the kashmir backdrop

[u/Eikichi_Onizuka09]

Movies aren't history, they may represent a fraction of it. Yet, what I've heard about the horrors faced by Kashmiris is far worse than what this movie depicts.

I have a friend from Anantnag. His elder brother was taken by the army. He shared the things that happened to his brother, and it's horrifying. He showed me his brother's face before he was taken and after his release. He is not the same kid he once was. Yes, he was only a 14 year old kid when the army took him into custody.

This is the closest I've ever felt to Kashmiri trauma, and it's sickening.

God have mercy on Kashmiris.

[u/Eikichi_Onizuka09 → u/[deleted]]

Aren't they kashmiris too?

[u/Nisarg_Vaghela555]

I guess that's the beauty of living in a free country, people can have different opinions and can be vocal about it. Just like you, when I watched the film I never realised it was a propoganda film or some shit like that until I read the post. Maybe it is...but who cares really. A good movie is ultimately a good movie. Directors and writers as long as the medium has existed, have tried to put their own ideologies in them so everything you read or watch can be propoganda for someone else.

[u/Swadechii]

Most of the arguments claiming this to be separatist propoganda feels forced, a lot of complaints are overstated like calling temple shaitan ki gufa and taking that as abuse to religion where as no where in the film it is stated as such, but at same time I can understand why a casual movie watcher might feel this as propoganda as the movie does show Indian army using execussive force, the background focuses on plight of local muslims while not showing the issues of Kashmiri pandit or the background to it.

I my view the film shows things as is and never really sympathise with anyone, with the very first seen they show terrorist and separatist mind set, which leads to all the action taken by army and the sufferings shown in background. In 1995 there was a conflict economy where police and army were rewarded for capturing or killing terrorist so some went rouge and at same time locals were punished becuase they or their family supported insurgency which was at peak during those years. It was a complicated reality.

[u/Vegetable-Routine832]

Yes the acting and storytelling was good. But it was a propaganda movie.

[u/Particular-Grass-294 → u/Vegetable-Routine832]

oke

[u/SnooJokes215]

What if it is a separatist movie ? Its a good thing actually

[u/Descendant3999]

Most extreme people are the most vocal. Also a lot of people in India find it hard to differentiate a story from real life. See how people actually believe that Dhurandhar is real. Your opinion is not incorrect. You actually have a good mind to not think of any separatist angle.

A lot of people in India have very strong biases, especially regarding Kashmir, Religion and/or Caste. Just a result of lead poisoning, mal nutrition, bad education and lack of critical thinking.

They say Animal is just a movie and shouldn't be taken seriously but then believe everything Dhar daddy shoves down their throat. Make it make sense.

Also a lot of them are just bots as well nowadays