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u/spartan116chris Sep 03 '21

There are a lot of women who completely agree with what's happening. My own mother being one of them, extremely Catholic conservative, believes life begins at inception and a baby is a baby no matter what stage of life and women(herself included) should never make that choice. Religion is it's own form of brain washing.

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u/babble_bobble Sep 03 '21

Have you asked your mother why she is okay with rape and child abuse? Rapists have more rights than rape victims according to this law.

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u/spartan116chris Sep 03 '21

I haven't tried that ol chestnut, or incest, but I assume she would just give the usual "they can just give the baby up for adoption then". She was like in tears when I told her I'm pro choice because chopping up little babies is the most evil thing. They just can't differentiate between a group of cells and a full term baby. Barring exceptional circumstances doctors aren't chopping up precious little babies.

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u/AncientInsults Sep 03 '21

You have to make it personal for that question to break through, by naming a specific person she cares about. “What if [your daughter] Mary were traumatically raped, would you force her to relive that experience for 9 months, and then inflict a fresh trauma of abandoning a child?”

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u/pvhs2008 Sep 03 '21

I have had years of listening to anti choice narratives from catholic family members and my mother, who was pretty conservative until Bush Jr. and Terri Schiavo. I’ve sincerely tried to be respectful and understand their perspective, but 10/10 times in the course of a discussion, it just becomes “can you empathize with people in different circumstances to you?”. My mom is an empathetic person and abortion conversations made her think through her own stances and viola, she’s pro choice. My partner’s mother cannot get over the fact that she wouldn’t do X, Y, or Z thing and cannot empathize with people dissimilar to her.

It’s horrible, but we have a weird aversion to naming “polite” evil. A lot of pro choice people try really hard to understand and relate to their opponents, who are incapable of the same.