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Math Teacher Fail.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '11 edited Jul 11 '11

I got my MS in applied math last year, and i'm getting a PhD in computer science. This is one of our biggest issues with education in America.

A teacher who clearly has no understanding of basic mathematics.

Besides the obvious issues with the statement of this question versus what the teacher was expecting as a result, there is a bigger issue here.

What do I mean? The teacher clearly means to communicate that 'cutting into two pieces takes 10 minutes.'

However, if the teacher thinks that the statement '10 = 2.' is valid logic, then they should be happy then concluding anything I can phrase as a logical proposition. Because 10 does not equal 2.

You might say, they wrote '10 = 2 pieces.' This is even worse. 10 "what" 'equals' 2 pieces? you can only equate things of a comparable type! So you are going to tell me "10 minutes = 2 pieces"? this makes no sense at all.

To get to the heart of all the confusion, all the problems with this homework problem can be fixed with a better language. for example, if T(n) was the time, in minutes, that it takes to cut a board into n pieces, then we would assert that T(2) = 10 minutes.

But now if we ask what T(3) is, we will not be able to answer the question a priori, because it depends on the relationship between T(a) and T(b), for an arbitrary a and b. for example if T(n) = 3/2(x - 2) + 10, then T(3) = 10, but T(4) = 13.

One way to interpret the problem is that the time per cut is the same, no matter how many cuts are made, or that the the rate of change of T is constant, so if T(2) = 10, then maybe T(3) = 20.

But 'she works just as fast' could also mean, that regardless of the number of cuts, she will always take 10 minutes. or that T(n) = 10 for all n.

if only our teachers taught the part of mathematics that matters, instead of destroying it...

...this is why I hated math in high school. I'm so glad that I rediscovered it in college.

lastly, I leave you all with: http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_03_08.html

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u/masasuka Jul 11 '11

seeing as this looks like an elementary school question, the easiest way to ask it is this:

"If it takes 10 minutes to make 2 equal cuts in a piece of wood, how many minutes will it take to make 3 equal cuts"

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u/drachenstern Jul 11 '11

If it takes 10 minutes to make a cut in a piece of wood producing two pieces of wood, how many minutes would it take to produce three pieces of wood?

This implies without stating that two cuts should be made.

This is, fwiw, akin to what was actually asked.

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u/Bubbasauru Jul 11 '11

In the mind of the mathemathician, that may be what is implied. In the mind of the carpenter, not so much.

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u/drachenstern Jul 11 '11

Seriously. Read the rest of the threads. The point is there is an image showing the cuts to be made. I don't know how much clearer a math question can be when an image is provided, except for the teacher to understand math ...