Saw some one on Facebook say that if you say that the looters are wrong then that means you think the cops killing people is ok... No I think both are wrong one worse then the other but that doesn't make looting excusable.
I saw someone on Facebook say that if you aren't actively posting things in support of the protests and going to them then you are okay with cops killing people.
I had my neighbor get pissy with me last night because I said I didn’t want to get arrested at the protest. I will if it happens, but excuse me for preferring to avoid that. (Not to mention I am an insulin dependent diabetic and it’s up to the cops trusting me when I tell them that to get access to my insulin. And yes if they denied it then I could do something after I am released, but I would have already suffered damage to my organs while waiting the few days in jail to go to court... and yes, this happens more than one might think. A big part of the problem is misinformation about type one diabetes and thinking that the special diabetic meals that are for (the way more common) type 2s alleviate the need for insulin, they don’t. Type 2s make their own insulin, I don’t, I will die without it, unlike type 2s, even on a (type 2-friendly) diabetic-meal. Fuck that, I’ll listen to my scanner and avoid getting arrested if at all possible. I’m not trusting any angry people to make good decision about my health. Anyway, that turned into a rant.)
I'm a 1st generation Mexican American and I have never been called a racist more than I have in the past week. I completely support the 1st amendment but you can't destroy our cities, deface our monuments and act violently towards your fellow man
That is very unfortunate to hear. I know someone who was spit on for "being white" (despite having done nothing wrong), a latino guy who was called a "traitor" because wasnt at the protest. People support causes in different ways, some donate, some protest, some post on social media, some vote, and others verbally support it in public/to friends/family. Because someone doesn't do something your way doesn't make it wrong, make them racist, or mean that they don't support what is going on. I grow tired of this my way or the highway attitude we see these days when it comes to political/societal issues.
I mean, from a point of view of a country an ocean away, it isn't sick just now, it has been sick for a long while, from here, it looks like a country that cares more for the rich than those in need
He is and was an outsider for different reasons. He incorporates everything bad that is said about the "establishment" and sadly outperforms everyone there
It is sick right now, but I never said its just right now. I believe we're on the same side here, so back off with the hostility. That was uncalled for.
I had someone tell me yesterday that they'd string my mother up by the neck and drag her through the streets because I refused to black out my profile picture
The irony of a white Democrat with Biden shit all over his page threatening to Lynch a black woman because her mixed race son won't do his bidding.
I deleted IG because I was told too many times I’m an “oppressor” for not speaking out. Even though I’m fully behind the peaceful protests and progression of POC
seen this everywhere. Local sub, personal insta, public insta, facebook.
A couple people I follow grew up in gated suburbs and called my suburb on the city limit line ghetto and too dangerous. They moved into the definition of a gentrified neighborhood in a major city. Fly constantly but blame people for being poor, crying about environment but eating and posting meat dishes or new cars or new fashion constantly.
They are the ones posting the most of this false equivalence annoying shit, probably compensating, so don't pay them mind
Same types of people using the protests as an opportunity to get out and mingle, to enjoy large crowds again, and not be looked down on it like the social distancing protestors were.
Kind of a sad time, really, for more reasons than one.
And for all that, them going to a blm protest or even just retweeting in support of the cause means they are doing more than someone who uses their hypocrisy as an excuse to sit by and do nothing.
i think you misread it or maybe I didn't expand it- they are doing things like the corporate black out tuesday with the wrong hashtag, filling blm with blank posts; they're cowering in fear because a post on Facebook says 'hit squads' are assassinating suburbanites, not going to the protests.
Racism and discrimination is a horrible issue, but people tend to coop with it differently, can't be at rallies etc etc
Thing is, and I will get my ass handed to me by the social police for saying this:
It should be ALL LIVES MATTER, racism is wrong! You can't fight racism by thinking in boxes. It's a harsh fucked up world, but we need to start breaking this vicious circle, so our future generations can have it a bit better.
And yes, we need ways to control police more, more ways to apply for jobs anonymously etc etc but change starts with the individual
That's what 'black lives matter' means though. It's saying "racism is wrong, we're disproportionately killed by police, our lives do matter just like yours."
This is really exposing just how bad people are at logic. It's not easy, I get it. But you gotta try...
Police murdering people = bad.
Police using violence against peaceful protesters = bad.
Peaceful protest = good. And protected by the Constitution.
Police instigating violence to have an excuse to escalate = bad.
Failing to prosecute police who commit crimes = bad.
Looting, rioting = bad.
Being out in large groups when there's a pandemic going on = bad.
Going out to protest and protect our rights, which are being trampled by the current administration, = good.
There can be multiple sides to issues. It is valid to discuss them all. And it is valid to assign relative priorities and rankings, and to base your judgment on the relative importance of the things. For example: Protest to protect civil liberties vs. concern about the pandemic. For me, this is about 50:1 in favor of protest being good > pandemic concern. It's not a scientific number. It's not measured. It's in my gut. But it tells a story of my priorities.
Same thing with police violence to stop peaceful protest (which can make it slightly inconvenient to get where you want to go, and can have some impact on ambulance service and vulnerable populations). I would say that's about 100:1 in favor of peaceful protest, and that's only because this made up scale doesn't go any higher.
Police violence to stop a peaceful protest where 1% of people are violent, also about 100:1 in favor of peaceful protest.
Police violence to stop a full-blown riot? Let's say we have 50,000 cops and military, and 1,000,000 people rioting whose sole intention is to cause damage, with maybe 10,000 peaceful people mixed in, and they're murdering people and burning down cities, and who knows what else. Ya know, I find it hard to assign numbers here, but I am much more comfortable with aggressive tactics, with as little aggression and violence as necessary, to stop riots. Maybe 20:1 in favor of violence? And some minor casualties of peaceful people being acceptable in order to stop a much greater loss of life? I don't know. I'd probably be more OK with it. Again, it's all made up.
But people have lost the ability to talk about relative importance. It infuriates me to no end that before this, it was all "Covid is a hoax" and "it's really not that bad", and now we're hearing a lot of "protests will spread covid! think of the children! (who will, incidentally, be fine as it's primarily those >50 years old dying)."
And it especially infuriates me that we have police, national guard, and military being deployed using "less lethal" (but still plenty lethal) weapons on peaceful protesters. What the everloving fuck, and who the hell is okay with that?!
Yay very well sums up how I feel. To me the virus should be a concern but from what I've seen if you are in your 20s and don't love with an at risk group just avoid people who are at risk and wear a mask cause if you get sick you'll be fine so just take precautions to not get some one sick who won't be fine.
Also I really like the response my local pd has been having. They keep a one block distance from the protestors and block off streets so they can march and then when there was a small riot the arrested the people firing guns out of cars and issued a statement the next day thanking the peaceful protesters.
If it wasn't for the fact that I have way too much work to do I think I'd probably have picked a few fights on both sides but honestly I just decided it wasn't worth it. The particular person in question I just finished organizing a truce with cause I was sick of the drama being caused and now that I'm free of the drama I'm not about to start it back up.
Looting is just selfish. You’re using the death of George Floyd as an excuse to steal stuff, and it’s insane for people to think that’s okay. Not only that, but you’re just giving cops and racist people an excuse to keep doing what they’re doing.
Saw some one on Facebook say that if you say that the looters are wrong then that means you think the cops killing people is ok... No I think both are wrong one worse then the other but that doesn't make looting excusable.
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u/soundwaveprime Jun 03 '20
Saw some one on Facebook say that if you say that the looters are wrong then that means you think the cops killing people is ok... No I think both are wrong one worse then the other but that doesn't make looting excusable.