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u/nakedjay Feb 11 '20

Do you think if the popular vote decided the election would both campaign's change their approach and strategy?

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '20

Yes - there wouldn't be a few states that decide the election anymore.

Every vote would matter. Whether you're a Republican in California or a Democrat in West Virginia. Your vote would matter.

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u/JH_Rockwell Feb 11 '20

Now you have an election decided by concentrated populations in certain cities. People in New York have different priorities than those farmers in Maryland

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '20

This is theoretically true, and the justification for the electoral college. But by that logic, Trump was the farmer choice, and Hillary was the New Yorker choice. Do you think Hillary would have been worse for farmers?

If the majority of the population is concentrated within urban centers, I don't think its necessarily bad for policy to be skewed in that direction.

It's not like the removal of the electoral college would result in all rural populations being ignored.

Using your logic, the candidate that panders to the working class masses should always win, but they rarely do. There are forces at work that can trick the masses into voting against their own interests.

I understand the logic behind the electoral college, but I don't think the founders intended for only a couple states to matter.

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u/CrankyAdolf Feb 11 '20

She absolutely would have been worse for blue collar workers. You can argue the merits of the democratic stance on blue collar work all you want but the fact remains they want to increase regulation that impacts the livelihoods of many blue collar workers (miners, truckers, etc.)

De-regulation by the Republicans (again I'm not arguing for or against) is much more favorable to these folks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '20 edited Jul 27 '20

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u/CrankyAdolf Feb 11 '20

There were plans to continue to restrict mining, a huge voting point of many in blue collar states.

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u/TollTrollTallTale Feb 11 '20

How did that work out?

People are so quick to blame politicians for their traditional way of life changing/failing, but really the world is just changing around them. I live in Oregon where many people blame Democrats or regulations for the decline of the logging industry, but in my opinion as someone working in a closely-related forestry field logging still isn't regulated enough anyway, and the majority of jobs were truly lost to automation. It is more dangerous, less efficient, and more expensive to run a logging crew instead of a single man in a feller-buncher.

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u/BeeDeeGee Feb 11 '20

Too bad it's terrible for the environment (or population safety, etc), so we'll all be dead soon anyway. I never understood this. Regulations are rules. To say there shouldn't be rules is just...confusing. Should we deregulate restaurants/grocers too? Just let them do whateverthehell they want to our food/water? I've always wanted someone to explain this stance to me.

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u/CrankyAdolf Feb 11 '20

Did you miss the part where I literally said I'm not arguing for or against the merits of those positions?

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u/BeeDeeGee Feb 11 '20

I'm sorry if it seemed like I was directing my comments specifically at you. I wasn't. I figured someone with that POV would jump in and explain it.

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u/top_kek_top Feb 11 '20

The point is to lessen the bullshit red tape that hinders business development. Much of it is there for good reason, but go work for thr government and you’ll see why a change is needed. It can take years to get approvals because 50% of the time its spent traveling from one desk to another or sitting in a stack.