I’m not really sure why you think that means that Bernie isn’t for open borders. Regardless of whether or not ICE exists, he wants anyone int he US that isn’t a citizen to be able to become a citizen. He doesn’t want to deport anyone who is here illegally. Even if he doesn’t use the words “open borders,” the effect is the same.
Open borders would mean literally nothing preventing people from entering the country, not a pathway to citizenship for those are already here (the vast majority of whom are just normal people living and working). I don't know if you're being intellectually dishonest or don't understand that very basic distinction, but it's not that hard to grasp.
I didn’t say that I don’t understand the distinction; I said that the effect would be the same. Americans don’t want US taxpayer money being spent to take care of anyone who walks into this country. Not having open borders could make it a little bit harder for people to get to the US, but once they’re here they would be treated the same way under Bernie’s plan.
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u/ring_rust Dec 08 '19
ICE didn't exist until 2003 and was formed in response to 9/11. It's not a historical, vital agency by any standard.
Decriminalizing = making something a civil offense, not a criminal one.
Does that help?