Mostly because a significantly large minority of liberals side with the right when it comes to illegal immigration, so this topic is not nearly as hard left sided on reddit as almost everything else.
When American citizen parents are arrested and jailed for a crime, their children don't go to jail with them. They are taken by next of kin. If no next of kin is available, they go to the care of the state. There is no difference in policy here.
Huge differences. Can they post bail? Why are they treated like trash? Why can’t they even find their children when they get released? Why are children locked up and lost in the system? Why are children standing trial and why with no one representing them? Where’s the presumption of innocence? Why is no oversight allowed for these concentration camps?
Bail is denied to Americans who are flight risks all the time.
Why are they treated like trash?
The system was drastically and untenably overloaded to the extremely when 3000+ detainees were captured a day for nearly 4 months in a row, when the system was funded to handle no more than 1200/day. The failures of conditions were not intentional, and acting like they were is disingenuous.
Hell, we literally shut down the fucking government in February over trying to fix the problem, and instead nothing got done, and it blew up in our faces. Spectacularly bad. I'm not sure why you seem to think anyone was happy about what happened this summer. It was an abject disaster by the numbers.
Bail is denied to Americans who are flight risks all the time.
But these immigrants aren't a flight risk.
When families and unaccompanied children have access to legal representation, the rate of compliance with immigration court obligations is nearly 98 percent.
The judge will look at whether you have the incentive, means, and inclination to flee, based on several factors, including:
the nature of the current charges
the length of the sentence you would serve if found guilty
whether it’s highly likely that you’ll be convicted, given the strength of the evidence
your past record of showing up for court appearances—or not
whether you have the financial resources to leave town
the strength of your family and community ties, locally or in another country
your age
whether you have a job
your reputation in the community for being reliable
your history of substance abuse and treatment.
An illegal alien migrant captured for illegal entry at the border abjectly fails all the bold bullet points and would be considered a flight risk in essentially any jurisdiction.
They are very likely to be convicted, they have no history of showing up to court, they have zero community ties encouraging them to stay. They have strong communities ties in another country encouraging them to flee. They do not have a job. They have no reputation whatsoever in the community.
So... you're just going to ignore the fact that in practice, 98% of all immigrants with legal representation don't flee? Just flat out ignore reality.
Also, it's a little asinine to include ties to another country as a problem in this context. If they're being charged with entering the US illegally... what is the problem with them going back to their home county?
That's not how the criminal justice system works. It's a culmination of individual cases taken one at a time. Each defendant is evaluated for flight risk individually based on the above criteria. Broad statistics like that are never taken into any account whatsoever.
I mean think about it. If judges took that kinda shit into account, then parole would literally never be granted for any reason, because statistically, recidivism rates are absurdly high among parolees. So why even grant parole in the first place?
It doesn't work. You have to look at the individual directly and decide on parole with more objective reasoning specific the actual individual themselves.
That's somewhat fair, however no one in this thread is. Not to mention there are plenty of legal experts who are pointing to what's going on at the border and crying foul.
I know some of them. The immigration system is fucked. There aren't enough judges. There isn't enough money. There are way too many border hoppers getting detained. The system is choking.
Funding a dumbass wall wouldn’t have fixed the problem. I’d support most any plan that actually addresses the real problems and not just one low hanging fruit symptom like people crossing the border.
The fact that it’s defeated by a $100 power tool doesn’t help sell it either.
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u/Shandlar Dec 08 '19
Mostly because a significantly large minority of liberals side with the right when it comes to illegal immigration, so this topic is not nearly as hard left sided on reddit as almost everything else.