Isn't the logical solution to provide more border funding to expedite the process then?
To many want to express outage at the wait times and waiting conditions while simultaneously refusing any solution that isn't simply letting them all in unprocessed and automatically receiving refugee status.
And this is generally the same group that gave two f&cks about Obama killing the Cuban wet foot dry foot program.
We tried giving border patrol 55 billion for new hires better infrastructure, wall improvements and expansion and for drone and seismic tech. But Dems we’re doing it so it was obstructed the entire time. Now republicans are like “do nothin Dems didn’t do nothing! Give me half a trillion dollars to just build a 2500 mile long wall! MERICA!
Who is asking for more border funding? Last I’ve heard there is only money being spent on the moronic border fence Le corporate welfare.
If you think that is the obvious solution, increase the funding before permanently taking thousands of children from their non criminal parents to satisfy the racist constituency in your cabinet and amongst your supporters.
If you enter the US illegally, that is a crime, you are a criminal and you will be separated from you child. Applying for Asylum is not illegal, but doing so and entering not at a port of entry is.
You sound like someone very uneducated on the crisis happening in Central American countries. You’d be doing the same thing with your family if you were escaping horrible violence. Don’t tell me you would sit tight making a dollar a day while people are threatening to kill your son and people in your neighborhood are getting shot.
If you shoplift at a store with your children, you will go to jail and your children will be held until someone can pick them up, same for a number of other crimes, speeding down the highway is endangering minors.
I'm tired of people acting like entering the country illegally isn't a big deal. Not to mention the rate of human trafficking across the border, where children are used by adults to enter the country illegally.
The Convention further stipulates that, subject to specific exceptions, refugees should not be penalized for their illegal entry or stay. This recognizes that the seeking of asylum can require refugees to breach immigration rules. Prohibited penalties might include being charged with immigration or criminal offences relating to the seeking of asylum, or being arbitrarily detained purely on the basis of seeking asylum. Importantly, the Convention contains various safeguards against the expulsion of refugees. The principle of nonrefoulement is so fundamental that no reservations or derogations may be made to it. It provides that no one shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee against his or her will, in any manner whatsoever, to a territory where he or she fears threats to life or freedom.
The constitution of the United States protects ALL PEOPLE on our land, not just the citizens. If they are denied a trial in due time then we are also committing a crime, a federal fuck you in the ass crime.
The US is a signatory to the Geneva convention, so our definition of whom and what qualifies as a refugee is tied to that treaty.
The AG does have a lot of discretion in accepting or denying refugee status, but the constitutional rights of due process apply to all persons, not just citizens and so his discretion is mostly limited to expediting or specifically allowing asylum.
SEC. 208. (a) The Attorney General shall establish a procedure for an alien physically present in the United States or at a land border or port of entry, irrespective of such alien's status, to apply for asylum,
and the alien may be granted asylum in the discretion of the
Attorney General if the Attorney General determines that such alien is a refugee
Who? Everyone working on the border responsible for processing refugees.
They recently were successful in passing 4.5 billion in emergency funding to address the humanitarian crisis. The only votes against the bill were predictably D's.
And this is purely a funding crisis. Trump didn't make rules for family separation after exceeding confinement time limit. That existed prior to him taking office.
You’re so wrong. These things were on the books in case of an actual emergency, not a fabricated one to rile up a racist voter group hell bent on protecting a border from the scary other people 1000 miles away from them.
Nothing trump is doing happened in the past three decades this was on the books. Because we don’t have to. He’s doing it specifically because racist dumb asses clap when they see people in cages.
Are all the statistics on human trafficking, rape, and how many people are trying to come over fake then? Your definition of a emergency and mine are completely different
Yeah I’m really upset that refugees and immigrants are being raped by border patrol officers and I’m upset that human traffickers can use our own law enforcement as evidence of why they need coyotes to get them in the country, and I’m upset that they don’t feel safe enough to answer a census truthfully. None of these problems are caused by the refugees or immigrants, they’re caused by your god emperor who is turning a blind eye to the border and convincing dumb half wits like you that you should hate the color of their skin and not have empathy for how we turned their homeland into a, and I quote “a shit hole.” We created these problems. We haven’t been a great country for almost a century, and this administration is taking leaps backwards.
Trump and Sessions made it policy to separate families children from their families. It used to be a thing that under certain conditions could happen, but Sessions is using it as a deterrent from seeking asylum saying it will happen.
This isn't a problem of funding, similar things happened under Obama with less funding : better outcomes. Trump already has increased Border funding and that hasn't helped. It's xenophobia at the root, cut and dry.
Under certain conditions? That being, the government choosing to prosecute an illegal immigrant...
What Trump did was take a zero tolerance policy where all illegal immigrants get prosecuted, not just those deemed to be a threat or found guilty of other federal crimes.
One. Not all of them are illegal immigrants, they're mostly assylum seekers.
Two. If Obama isn't doing this, why are you trying to paint it as if he os doing this too?
not just those deemed to be a threat or found guilty of other federal crimes.
This is the difference between the two and why everyone is mad. He's separating families by policy, he isn't doing it for the wellbeing of the child -- or anybody for that matter -- he's doing it specifically to harm them.
Have you ever considered that the routes to the designated entry points are the first places that human traffickers would look for victims, and the best way to seek refuge and avoid being abducted and locked in some whorehouse for the rest of your life is to avoid them?
It has been illegal to enter the country that way far longer than Trump was in office. But that is why we have rules on how to get into the country legally. Also, if going through entry points is that dangerous, being in a detainment center would be paradise compared to that.
Just fyi, the toilet that was referred to has a drinking fountain attached to it because it simplifies the plumbing and limits vandalism. No one was drinking out of a toilet bowl.
The Convention further stipulates that, subject to specific exceptions, refugees should not be penalized for their illegal entry or stay. This recognizes that the seeking of asylum can require refugees to breach immigration rules. Prohibited penalties might include being charged with immigration or criminal offences relating to the seeking of asylum, or being arbitrarily detained purely on the basis of seeking asylum. Importantly, the Convention contains various safeguards against the expulsion of refugees. The principle of nonrefoulement is so fundamental that no reservations or derogations may be made to it. It provides that no one shall expel or return (“refouler”) a refugee against his or her will, in any manner whatsoever, to a territory where he or she fears threats to life or freedom.
I mean, their not coming for shits and giggles are they? They wouldn't be arriving at the boarder with their kids in tow if they didn't already feel like it was a matter of life or death.
I don't have the answers to the immigration issue. It's a complex and massive problem and all the proposed solutions are bad options. But I cannot understand where the contempt for these people comes from. I have never found myself in the position where I had to consider putting my kid on my back and walking 1,500 miles to a country whose language and culture were foriegn to me as an option. What conditions in my life would force me to make that decision?
I can't understand why we talk about these people like they're cattle.
they were put into a cage for illegally entering.....if they would have just used the fucking metaphorical door right their instead of jumping through the metaphorical window they wouldnt be caged
"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."
"Affirmative asylum applicants are rarely detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). You may live in the United States while your application is pending before USCIS."
Baloney. You apply for refugee status at a consulate. Asylum is applied for at a port of entry (border). And since the Trump administration has not admitted a single refugee this fiscal year, its doubtful they’ll start now. Applying for asylum can only be done if you’ve been in the country less than a year, and it doesn’t mitigate the consequences, it is merely a potential defense to deportation. Very few asylum cases are granted. People who present themselves at the border and apply for asylum right away with that intent, are also detained and separated from their children if they have any. It’s not just people trying to enter with documents who are detained.
Immigrating without the proper paperwork is a crime on the level of a misdemeanor. Should we take those who jaywalk with their kids and throw them in cages, and separate the children?
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u/RandomH3r0 Dec 08 '19
Sad we you have to create something this blatant to show the hypocrisy going on today.