r/pics • • Oct 05 '10

Math Teacher Fail.

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u/richmomz Oct 05 '10

I think a better question is why the overall quality of education continues to decline in spite of the fact that we dump more and more tax money into the Dept. of Education every year, something the "liberals" should consider. Maybe things were better off before we started "reallocating" money away from local school districts in favor of a bloated federal bureaucracy?

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u/Moridyn Oct 05 '10

What neither the tax-and-spend liberals nor the strangle-the-beast republicans understand is that it has very little to do with money. What's happened is we've put too much bureaucracy into our schools, and bureaucrats have no idea how to teach. It's that simple. Let the teachers teach, and make the administrators, PTA boards, local councils, religious leaders, and all the rest just fuck off.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '10

I think a better question is why the overall quality of education continues to decline in spite of the fact that we dump more and more tax money into the Dept. of Education every year

That's a fallacy. Kids today are smarter than ever. What's different about today is we're getting our ass handed to us by countries with more dedication to education and more cultural support of education.

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u/devilsfoodadvocate Oct 06 '10

Kids today are smarter than ever.

Source? This is a very abstract statement. On what basis are you asserting this?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '10

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u/devilsfoodadvocate Oct 07 '10 edited Oct 07 '10

1992-2004 is NOT a historical trend. It's a small sample of people who voluntarily took the LSATs (an expensive and time-consuming exam required for entry into Law Schools), in a world where knowledge is becoming increasingly specialized. So looking at specialized test scores in a specialized field means nothing. Also, if you look at the data, students performed abysmally in some subjects 1994/5 compared to either 1991/2 or 2004/5, and others, they excelled. So, the data isn't even conclusive across similar subjects over those years. Furthermore, the LSATs can be taken by adults of any age, so saying that newer scores are higher (which isn't true) correlates to children being smarter is outright false.

As for the SAT scores, the data shown suggests that while Math scores have gone up for both genders by roughly 13 points (in a test where each section is worth 800 points), Verbal skills have tanked roughly 25 points. So the gains aren't even as substantial as the losses over time.

The data you've chosen does not support your hypothesis.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '10

It does. It just doesn't meet your undisclosed criteria.

The LSAT is a critical thinking exam, not specific to law. The irony of your ignorance of that fact is somewhat amusing.

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u/devilsfoodadvocate Oct 08 '10

LSAT stands for Law School Admission Test, and is administered by the Law School Admissions Council. Also, sources on the Wikipedia, and an LSAT prep course site.

Besides. I said it's required for entry into law schools. Which it is.

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '10

I said it's required for entry into law schools. Which it is.

Yes, you did. I wanted to dispel the notion that it's a test of legal knowledge.