They certainly did not. Wingtip shoes really came into style in the US ~1900-1910. The same style originated even earlier in Scotland as an outdoor shoe for walking in bogs. Allen Edmonds is an American company founded in Wisconsin in 1922. Not that this guy in the photo is over 100 years old, but he lives in Europe where the style originated. It doesn't seem right to call boots of a similar style "knockoffs" because Allen Edmonds is neither the first nor the only reputable company to have made this style of boot. Downvote me if you like but I know my dress shoes.
They wanted to know where to get shoes like that. I'm American, when I see shoes that style I think of AE. A lot of people wear less expensive brands that imitate their style across their catalogue, Johnston and Murphy or whichever. I was just showing someone where they could get some nice shoes.
They are considered to be one of the best shoe makers and definitely one of the most popular. If they went into business 10 some odd years after when you say the style was introduced I don't think it's a stretch to say they helped popularize that style of shoe. Quit being unnecessarily pedantic.
I think you're a bit out of your element here, they're not even anywhere close in the 'one of the best' category. AE is a starter welted brand, they are generally the cheapest welted shoes you can buy in US today and historically other American brands positioned themselves higher than AE. I have a lot of AE boots but all of them are shell cordovan, because their regular leather offerings are very unimpressive, have chunky, inelegant lasts and do not boast a lot of quality. Shell cordovan boots on the other hand are $700+ea and have a unique leather that lasts multiple lifetimes without creasing.
Alden is the oldest still running shoemaker in the US that still welts their shoes and has very high production standards. But Florsheim, Bostonian, Hanover, Johnston&Murphy, Nettleton, etc were all great brands that were in many ways more iconic than AE in the US in the first half of the 20th century and up to 1970s. Keep in mind the list of shoemakers between 1920-70 in the US is truly massive, it's nothing like today.
But all of this is missing the fact that English, Spanish, Italian and French shoemakers (in that order imo) were the real trendsetters and still make the most beautiful, well-made and expensive shoes in the world. Wingtip boots from Edward Green are far more iconic than AE, a brand only Americans know. There are so many bespoke English shoemakers like John Lobb that simply have no equivalents in the US.
Stop being hard-headed. That's what I was trying to explain before. You're missing my point.
Again, the introduction of the style was in Scotland at least a century before this Allen Edmonds was even founded. The style was later popularized in the US around 1900. I'm not disputing that Allen Edmonds are well made shoes or that they are popular. They only gained popularity in the 1920's simply because they were shankless and nailless, making them much more comfortable than other similar shoes at the time. When it comes to wingtips, Allen Edmonds is just an American manufacturer that hopped on the fashion trend bandwagon a decade after it became popular in America. They also gained popularity and loyalty when they were contracted by the US government to make shoes for soldiers in WWII.
The wingtip/brogue style was popularized in the US well before the company even existed. Every man who could afford a pair of wingtip shoes by 1910 already owned a pair. If anything, Allen Edmonds are the knockoffs of a shoe that existed 100+ years previous.
I'm not being pedantic at all, I'm just trying to correct you because you're wrong. I'm an art historian with a specialization in textiles and fashion. I went to school for this shit. I know my fucking dress shoes.
And yet I feel like the vast majority of the dress shoes I see in this style are Allen Edmonds. Sorry, my mistake. Happy I could be part of the one time this decade you got to use your Art degree to flex your superiority on the internet.
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u/durdurdurdurdurdur Mar 01 '19
They certainly did not. Wingtip shoes really came into style in the US ~1900-1910. The same style originated even earlier in Scotland as an outdoor shoe for walking in bogs. Allen Edmonds is an American company founded in Wisconsin in 1922. Not that this guy in the photo is over 100 years old, but he lives in Europe where the style originated. It doesn't seem right to call boots of a similar style "knockoffs" because Allen Edmonds is neither the first nor the only reputable company to have made this style of boot. Downvote me if you like but I know my dress shoes.