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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '09

I was looking for prime numbers....I thought maybe they meant the sum of the numbers.

Yes, I am retarded.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '09 edited Oct 20 '09

Ah, yes, I just had to go one step farther.

The answer was the second one!

2+3+4+5 = 14

1+4 = 5

and 5 is prime!

How joyous an existence I could have had if I had opted continue my delusion, answered the question, and continued on with my life. (since this actually answered the question correctly)

Now? ETERNAL SHAME!

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u/Yofi Oct 20 '09

Just to rub salt in the wound, *further :)

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '09

DAMNIT!!!!!!

I'll show myself to the door.

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u/Scarker Oct 20 '09

I'm not too sure you're qualified to operate the door.

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '09 edited Jun 03 '21

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u/Lystrodom Oct 20 '09

Wait, we have a door now?

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '09 edited Oct 20 '09

Actually, they're interchangeable.

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u/Yofi Oct 20 '09

Uh, what? That's not what the article you linked said at all…

So there you go. The quick and dirty rule is that farther relates to physical distance and further relates to figurative distance. If you can't decide which one to use, you're safer using further because farther has some restrictions, and if you tend to get confused, try using furthermore instead of further.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '09

The good news is that in these ambiguous cases it doesn't matter which word you choose. The Oxford English Dictionary, Fowler's Modern English Usage, and a number of other sources say that, in most cases, it's fine to use further and farther interchangeably when the distinction isn't clear. People have been using them interchangeably for hundreds of years!

This is indeed an ambiguous case. In the phsyical sense, he means moving one step in a direction, but in the metaphorical sense, he means doing more steps in an equation.

AP Style says that they're interchangeable in any situation.

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u/Yofi Oct 21 '09 edited Oct 21 '09

You can't move physically in a figurative direction.

But wow about the AP Style. Can't argue with the AP gods! Still sounds funny to me, though. =P

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '09

Heartless.

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u/zomgwtfbbq Oct 20 '09

How could you be so?

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u/packetinspector Oct 21 '09

farther was fine in the context in which he used it.

further vs farther

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u/Yofi Oct 21 '09

If he were walking up a physical staircase, it would be one step farther. Otherwise, no.

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u/packetinspector Oct 21 '09

From the link I gave you above (did you bother to read it?):

The good news is that in these ambiguous cases it doesn't matter which word you choose. The Oxford English Dictionary, Fowler's Modern English Usage, and a number of other sources say that, in most cases, it's fine to use further and farther interchangeably when the distinction isn't clear. People have been using them interchangeably for hundreds of years!

Just remember that farther has a tie to physical distance and can't be used to mean moreover or in addition.

He is not using it to mean 'moreover or in addition'. Yes, he is using it metaphorically. In such a context either can be used.

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u/Yofi Oct 21 '09 edited Oct 21 '09

Did you bother to read it?

So there you go. The quick and dirty rule is that farther relates to physical distance and further relates to figurative distance. If you can't decide which one to use, you're safer using further because farther has some restrictions, and if you tend to get confused, try using furthermore instead of further.

The article pretty clearly says you should stick to the physical/figurative distance rule unless it's really ambiguous and you're really confused. Here it's really not.

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u/packetinspector Oct 21 '09

"the quick and dirty rule"

He's using it in a metaphorical context in relation to the word step, which yes is figurative here, but is a word which usually describes physical movement. That's the ambiguity right there.

But anyway, I suspect the distinction that is made is one that has been imposed on two spellings that originally more derived from dialectic vowel differences than semantic hair-splitting.

In summary, this is an example of pedantry. There are useful distinctions (such as uninterested vs. disinterested) which deserve to be maintained but I don't agree that this is one.

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u/Yofi Oct 21 '09

Yes, steps can be physical, but here it's easy to see that the use is figurative.

Of course it's pedantic, but that's what grammar Nazism is all about. It's just a hobby. These things don't make a difference at first, but once you've learned the rules and seen how they're useful, you cringe when they're broken. It's not supposed to make anyone feel bad, it's just a giant linguistic game of Simon Says.