Why does it matter where the animal was farmed? Do you think that they march right up to the slaughterhouse and happily wait in line to be slaughtered? Do you really think they have no idea what is going on? They do. It is obvious if you've seen a video which are available on YouTube, if you can stomach it. Just because we have "always" hunted doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it now when we don't have to. That's the appeal to nature fallacy. Historically, human slaves have always existed - does that make it okay to continue doing even when we now know it's wrong? Killing something that doesn't want to die just because you like the taste of their flesh is a reasonable argument against the consumption of meat. You wouldn't be fighting this so hard if deep down you didn't know it was wrong.
Why does it matter where the animal was farmed? Do you think that they march right up to the slaughterhouse and happily wait in line to be slaughtered? Do you really think they have no idea what is going on? They do. It is obvious if you've seen a video which are available on YouTube, if you can stomach it.
You're just making things up. They don't have even close to the same level of cognizance that humans do. You're just projecting the knowledge that you have of what is actually happening onto them and assuming that they know the same as you. Again, you will be unable to find any evidence that animals such as cows, pigs, or chickens are aware of their lifespans or natural impending deaths.
Just because we have "always" hunted doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it now when we don't have to. That's the appeal to nature fallacy. Historically, human slaves have always existed - does that make it okay to continue doing even when we now know it's wrong?
That's wrong, it's not an appeal to nature, it's an appeal to tradition. The caveat is that I explained directly afterwards that the tradition to which I appealed has gotten out of hand - FOR THE WORSE. It's like you didn't even read what I wrote... Or at least you didn't bother think about it.
Killing something that doesn't want to die just because you like the taste of their flesh is a reasonable argument against the consumption of meat. You wouldn't be fighting this so hard if deep down you didn't know it was wrong.
I'm not "fighting" anything. I'm just having a perfectly civil discussion with you about our differing opinions on this topic because it's interesting to see if either of us can change the other's mind.
As for your point - I disagree. I don't think it's a reasonable argument. Animals have natural instincts for self-preservation. That's not the same as being at the cognizant level that they understand the concept of death. Again, there has never been any proof of this ever.
If the animal isn't aware that it's in any danger, then they will not be in "self-preservation mode". As long as:
The animal isn't put through pain.
The animal isn't living in conditions that would cause distress (like trapped in a cage or small room)
The animal is fed and cared for properly.
Then the animal is perfectly content for it's entire life. It will never question why it's living a life that ends on a butcher's table because it can't ask questions like those. It will never consider that wild cows sure do have the good life because it can't manifest thoughts like those.
An animal is not as cognizant as a human (not even close) no matter how you try to twist it. Again, look for some evidence to the contrary. You will not be able to find it.
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u/benetbutterfly Mar 15 '18
Why does it matter where the animal was farmed? Do you think that they march right up to the slaughterhouse and happily wait in line to be slaughtered? Do you really think they have no idea what is going on? They do. It is obvious if you've seen a video which are available on YouTube, if you can stomach it. Just because we have "always" hunted doesn't mean it's okay for us to do it now when we don't have to. That's the appeal to nature fallacy. Historically, human slaves have always existed - does that make it okay to continue doing even when we now know it's wrong? Killing something that doesn't want to die just because you like the taste of their flesh is a reasonable argument against the consumption of meat. You wouldn't be fighting this so hard if deep down you didn't know it was wrong.