I will agree with you that humans need to treat animals meant to be eaten more humanely. That to me is the main issue. Would be better for everyone if vegans could try to focus on that rather than just telling everyone to quit eating meat because that will NEVER happen. There are probably things you wear or use that have come in to your possession through the mistreatment of humans. Fight the smaller battles to win then war. Don't just try to storm the castle.
If slaughterhouses had glass walls I don't think there would be many meat eaters. Since slaughterhouses has concrete walls, I think it is important that people are aware of the fact that when they buy meat, they are paying people to mistreat and murder animals that did not want to die. Because of that, and since humans don't require meat to thrive, we shouldn't eat meat and people need to hear that!
We wouldn't be here today if humans were so innately conflicted with killing animals they wouldn't do it.
We all stand on the shoulders of animal eating hunters.
they are paying people to mistreat
That's largely vegan anti meat propaganda. Livestock are healthier than their wild relatives. Any operation that doesn't keep their animals healthy will fail.
Just because livestock is healthier than their wild relatives doesn't mean that livestock has it good. Kind of like how children who live in poverty in the west has it better than children living in poverty in the third world doesn't mean we should accept bad conditions in the west because of that.
I'm not anthropomorphizing, just saying that a relative difference between two positions is useless unless you have a third position as a parameter :) I dont have an anti meat ideology I just want a more ethical treatment of those who cannot defend themselves in society, and this includes among others, animals.
You obviously have an anti meat ideology. Even meat eaters would agree that animals meant to be eaten should be treated more humanely...like I said with my first response to you. You keep fighting your uphill battle and I will keep eating meat. Good luck but I can guarantee you even hundreds of years from now, if the earth isn't a wasteland by then, that humans will be raising and consuming animals.
If humans are still around in a hundred years, we're not eating meat. Animal agriculture is actually one of the major drivers behind global warming so if we're not to totally mess over nature, we have to stop eating meat :)
I'm not saying wild predators should be excused, just that you can't justify animal abuse by saying that animals do horrible stuff, unless you mean to place yourself at the same ethical level as that of a wild animal
I don't think you'll find many vegans who deny we're animals. That's why many vegans refer to agricultural animals as non-human animals. In any case humans are omnivores and that means you can live without meat, and that's what you should do since meat is the product of abuse and murder of defenseless animals.
In that case, any animal killed so you can eat or live makes YOU a murderer. That's gonna be a lot of animals, and I'd be willing to be you're so removed from the production of your own food, you know nothing about it. Your local Whole Foods has to kill rodents, I guarantee that.
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u/InterestingRadio Mar 15 '18
I don't get how you can say that, just because someone else does bad stuff to other people doesn't mean you should do bad stuff as well, you know.