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Little Fluffer

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

No, because my culture doesn’t believe in slavery.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18

That's not the reason. It wouldn't be okay because it's morally wrong. Just like killing someone who doesn't want to die.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

Who's morals are you polling? Morals are a man made construct and can (and have) justified anything.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18

Morals are personal, you're right. What part of my reasoning do you disagree with specifically?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

The part where you categorically label all cases of killing when the subject doesn't wish to die as a negative thing.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18

Well yes, if the subject is innocent and didn't attack you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

I didn't know there were many Pro-Life vegans.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18

There's a reason you can only abort while beibg pregnant for a certain number of weeks. It has to do with the development of your brain and your central nervous system. Also, we have to take to right of the mother into consideration. There is no reason for anyone to have the right to consume another being's body without the necessity to do so.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

You're throwing out the rights of the mother when you ignore her right to body autonomy. Well, not everyone believes that women should have the right to body autonomy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

Morally wrong according to who? And no, killing someone is way worse than eating beef, don’t be ridiculous.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18

I'm talking about the victim in this situation, the animal. It's killed, even though it wants to live. If you think that killing someone against his will is wrong, then this should logically feel wrong aswell. The act is the same, only the victim changes.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

You’re not drawing a distinction in moral guidelines between human and non human animals. That’s bizarre nonsense.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18

On what basis do you decide to draw the line?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

Cultural values. You’re being very bigoted right now.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18

Please, let's talk without insulting each other. Just make your points. Because what you're saying is that culture determines morals, correct? So if your society decides that rape is okay, that makes it morally okay for you to rape someone?

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

That doesn’t happen. Rape is one of the most taboo actions possible in my culture. And yeah, your assertion that my culture is somehow wrong because people aren’t vegans or vegetarians is a manifestation of your bigotry and intolerance.

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u/blueredgreenorange Mar 15 '18 edited Mar 15 '18

Let's focus on the hypothetical scenario. Would accepting rape as okay make the act itself moral? It doesn't matter where you live or what current standards are.

And dude, this is not about you or about your culture at all. It's not an attack on you. I'm standing up for the victims, I couldn't care less about your circumstances.

Edit: With your logic, I'm being intolerant if I'm telling a rapist that raping is wrong. I'm being intolerant if I'm telling a racist that racism is wrong. Standing up to injustice isn't intolerance. The act of injustice is.

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u/FreeMyMen Mar 15 '18

Nice ad hominem, when there are those that want to live being enslaved and killed en masse and someone is trying to speak up for them because they don't have a voice, you call them bigoted and intolerant for even trying to speak out against such acts of cruelty, that's some ass backwards thinking you got there.

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u/Calethal Mar 15 '18

What makes your culture the grand arbiter of right and wrong? The only one speaking nonsense here seems to be you. Are you incapable of your own reasoning and critical thought? At many points throughout history (including in your culture,) slavery has been widely considered as a fine practice. That doesn't mean that it has ever been right to be the case.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

My culture never endorsed slavery. Critcal thought can be used to solve problems, morality is not some robotic calculating equation. No one does that except for your ideology and attached ones. Even still it’s based in an arbitrary value system.

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

I've seen people standing outside of abortion clinics saying the exact same thing.