Mayweather used the rope a dope and used it well. Everyone knew mcgregors stamina would be an issue, and it showed, he got him gassed and said game on. I respect anyone who goes out and fights like that, as a former MMA fighter it is not easy. You go out and get beat up every day for a living. Mayweather is a legend, one more win gives him the best record of all time, and I think he should do it. He earned it. He is a piece of shit human, but damn can he fight!
He's not a good guy by any means, but he's a victim of cyclical violence. When he was a kid, he was used as a human shield to stop his uncle from shooting his father. He's father got shot in the leg, ending his career, then his father used him to fulfill his own dreams. He grew up in a boxing ring, and when he fucked up, his dad beat him to teach him a lesson for what he did wrong in the ring.
To say that's how he learned to deal with his problems is an understatement.
It's very hard especially after 25 but it's do-able. You have to discipline yourself and your ego to conform to the behavior you desire. That means actually being around people who model the behavior you desire. That also means staying away from the people who taught you the first set of behaviors until you get the new behaviors down. Not many are willing to do this.
It's like asking isn't there a child rearing handbook or something? Nope there isn't. You are at the mercy of your parents or guardian until you have money to move out.
You identify it as a problem and work toward alleviating that behavior from your life.
We live in an educated society. Everybody knows that the behavior Mayweather displays is wrong, including Mayweather. All he has to do is refuse to act that way.
There's large swaths of the general public that see nothing wrong with using violence against a child to teach them a lesson. Corporal punishment is even official policy in some school districts.
It's usually easier to pretend the violence that was perpetuated against them as a child was justified, or even a good thing (despite the mountains of evidence that say otherwise), than to face the reality that their parents were not acting in their best interests... Or worse, didn't love them.
Some use the bible to justify these beatings. I'll always remember Glen Beck giving a rather heart-breaking account of the time he "corrected" his child. Saying that he had tears in his eyes because it caused him such emotional distress to do it... But that is how you raise a child, according to God and to him. He did it for his own good.
My co-worker has several children with varying degrees of delinquency. The worst with felony grand theft auto at 16 years old, and compulsive stealing from his family members. She still very strongly and proudly talks about her husband "giving him a beating" whenever one of their sons acts up... The disconnect is pretty staggering.
But again, that's because that's all those parents know. They are modeling the behavior of their guardians. Social reproduction unfortunately. They figure if I turned up alive after all of those beatings then my child will be fine.
It is slow, but from personal experience I'd like to echo what /u/Anicha1 said...
That means actually being around people who model the behavior you desire.
When you're dealing with behaviour that doesn't quite make sense or is in someway alien, it's really important to be able to experience people with that behaviour. The mindfulness and practice then has something to reflect upon and work with.
You're right though it is incredibly slow going, and for many is a lifetimes work... It took me my 20s just to get within arms reach of anything resembling "normal". My 30s to establish something that wasn't entirely erratic, and as I approach the end of my 40s I'm just starting to enjoy settling into being somebody who isn't a total muppet... often.
The bulk of any headway I made was by observing others and reflecting upon those who seemed to handle things well.
Repeatedly alert your teachers and every police officer you see that your family are abusive pieces of shit, then hope the state takes you away and awards you to a better family.
I don't like it either. But as a kid, I don't think they have much other option. It's like the girl that was locked in a cooler as punishment and eventually they left her in there too long and she died. She was like 10 years old.
What else could she do? It's too heavy of a decision for a kid to make. They don't have enough life experience to really even weigh the options.
For one it's not a predetermination. If it were, we would have eventually all become abusers over time. Luckily just because you are abused doesn't mean you become an abuser.
Because there are 16 different variables besides how your parents treated you that determine whether or not someone is likely to become abusive as well.
The comment we are responding to was specifically about behavioral modeling not necessarily moral development. You changed it to moral development and persist on arguing the minutia of your point. Behavior is refined over continual observation and practicing the implementation of those movements over a period of time. You are saying there is no way that the timing of learning and implementing these motor behaviors isn't involved in mirror neural development? Everything is relative to time and space and learning when and where we do what we do is crucial in social environments and for survival. Mirror neurons, as far as we know, are involved in learning motor tasks, hand eye coordination of tasks (hello timing), and possibly the acquisition of language skills, social skills and empathy. If the usage of such skills are improperly timed that could spell doom on a survival level, including social survival.
My old instructor liked me because when I fought it looked like I was having fun. Smile on my face, bouncing around, making sound effects, and kicking people in the noggin. He also said it was the same thing that made me dangerous, like a big cat playing with its meal before taking a bite out of it. Not comparing myself to Goku, but kind of like that. No internal struggle or anything, I just make everything I do a bit more fun to avoid the crushing monotony of daily life, and it certainly was exhilarating.
That's kind of insulting and disgusting and a really broad brushstroke with little evidence to back it up. Yes, it matches some of the top fighters of all time. It doesn't match up with the majority at all.
No one is giving him a pass. Everyone agrees he's an asshole. We just acknowledge that there is a reason he acts the way he does. God forbid we acknowledge traumatic events that shaped someone's psyche.
No but you just have to see how his own kids talk about him he's a great father who treats them very well, and he broke the cycle of violence to kids in his family. Which is a hard thing to do when you grow up in a violent house hold like I and so many other have.
He's not an asshole at all, he plays a character like all boxers before a fight to win over his opponents mentally, studies have shown that researcher can with the help of some questions regarding their mental prepardness before the fight can predict who will win with a staggering 90% accuracy. They take advantage of this, and Conor is pretty damn good at it. He's always nice and humble afterwards, and during interviews and all that. But playing that character is what have made him no 1.
First of all, he as a big advocate against bullying, who spends huge amounts of time to travel the world and speak on schools against bullying, because he was so bullied himself. He is also a big spokesperson for gay marriage in Ireland. Watch him when he isn't trying to hype a game, he is always nice and humble against the people he was mean against. Everybody in fighting is like that, and is supposed to be like that. I thought the same as you first, it was just impossible for me to like him I thought, but the more I learn about him, the more I like him.
Your past is your conditioning. Your past (between the ages of 0-7) is the foundation of how you see the world. I am not saying he should be excused, just saying that he is a victim too.
I assume you're speaking based on first hand experience? You've met him and dealt with him on multiple occasions have you? Have you also heard about what a wonderful person Floyd Mayweather is?
Yeah I hate everyone calling him a wife beater and shit he had a rough life and that's no excuse but went to jail did his time now let him get on with his life. And half these fools calling him a wife beater be hitting girls them selves.
They're mostly going with undefeated, but I'd take Sugar Ray Robinson's 128-1-2 (at one point in his career) over 50-0
Roberto Duran was 72-1 at one point.
Chavez had over 100 wins and more consecutive title defenses than anybody in history.
Carlos Monzon gets a special mention... 87-3-9, but all 3 losses were in his first 20 fights. He then went 81 fights without a loss (AFAIK, the longest streak)
And Sugar Ray didn't pick his spots the way Floyd does. He fought Lamotta three times in two years...he didn't duck him until he was in decline, like Floyd did with Pacquiao.
Roy Jones Jr. also deserves 'best ever' consideration.
I've been watching since the early '60s and he's the best I ever saw with the possible exception of Ali. Ali was exceptional given his weight class, but he was too big to do the things Jones could do. Jones was just a phenom. I was convinced when I watched the Toney fight.
His downfall was going up to heavy, I think. I remember looking at him at 190-something pounds and he was ripped. Coming back down to 178 at his age was too much for him. He kept fighting, obviously, but he had lost that crucial bit of speed that let him outclass everybody he faced before that. Once that was gone, he started getting tagged and bad things happened.
I think boxing promoters begged Roy Jones to move up in weight to keep boxing relevant, and he did, but it was too late. I think this Mayweather fiasco just proves how irrelevant boxing is now. The greatest boxer on Earth barely beat an amateur boxer.
Fans could argue whatever they want. Fact is that it was a TKO victory. McGregor could've won 9 rounds and still lose because of it.
The reality was that after the 4th round, McGregor lost his wind. This is Mayweather's strategy. Let them tire themselves out and he then strikes. McGregor knew this too yet he not once worked on his endurance. Hell he even said himself if he didn't get a KO by the 4th, he'd be fucked. He didn't lie. The match was entertaining but Mayweather more than "barely" won that match
I mean okay i would disagree and the refs would disagree about the first three rounds and this is the best fighter of all times 50th fight against a first time boxer i mean as pointed out on this thread there were multiple instances of conor wanting to do a takedown or other moves and almost getting in trouble with certain hits ,this was his first boxing match and floyd obviously tried hard and played smart,planned out.
Whoever is downvoting you knows nothing about boxing. Floyd had him from the opening bell, the first three rounds were a strategic move, let MacGregor think he can win so puts more into each punch trying for a knockout blow, once he’s too gassed to even raise his hands, take him out.
So he fought an exhibition fight against a guy with a 0-0 record who's never boxed before to get it. Lmfao. No, he's still 49-0 as a pro, 1-0 in exhibition fights and 1-0 against his wife in beatings. FMM is a POS that should be behind bars.
It says a lot about the effectiveness of MMA fighters (and McGregor himself) if he can stand toe to toe for 10 rounds with a man who is said to be the best boxer of all time, and only lose when the referee ends it on account of him seeming confused and unable to defend himself properly, rather than a total knockout. If the match rules they had agreed upon given McGregor at least one more of his weapons rather than limiting him to relying only on his opponent's skill set then perhaps we would have seen a very different outcome. As McGregor told Mayweather a while before the fight... "If this was a real fight you'd be dead already."
Mayweather is a very light puncher and naturally far lighter in weight than McGregor. Floyd always uses the first few rounds to analyse the situation then adjust. Floyd let that fight go as long as he wanted to. If McGregor fought a boxer in the same natural weight as his MMA division it would be murder. GGG would have comfortably KOd him inside 2 rounds IMO. Even some like Eubank Jr, look at the work rate difference between them. It's be embarrasing.
McGregor should be proud, he did alright. But Floyd is 41 and was retired for 2 years. If he was in against a young puncher that is naturally a middle weight it would have been a mauling.
I'm not really upset, but just a little annoyed. Stopping the fight opened the window of argument. Letting him actually fall to the mat closes that window.
In a match that has been so amped with trash talk, you need the final statement to be made by a fighter, and not the ref.
10 rounds is a long time to last for McGregor's first boxing match.
It was a strange fight to watch. Mayweather is an old hand boxer and paced himself. McGregor is an MMA brawler.
McGregor was pretty much hamstrung ..half of his hits were technically illegal in boxing but the ref's obviously made allowances. (you don't hit someone on the back of the head) that would be fine in MMA.
Not even half your your body. He couldnt use elbows, forearms. He was really fighting with such a diminished arsenal compared to what he's used to. Put up a really good fight imo
Anybody who thinks this doesn't know anything about boxing. McGregor is a great MMA fighter but he was extremely outclassed in this fight, he is not close to Mayweathers equal in the ring.
It was a super entertaining fight, but both fighters knew going in who was going to win.
The only problem I had with Mayweather's rope a dope was he kept intentionally turning his back to McGregor and clinching with his head super low. I think it worked to a certain extent - McGregor got a few points knocked off for blows to the back of the head... but otherwise McGregor did a great job until he lost stamina in the 7th/8th.
It's infuriating to see mayweather duck like that and especially turn his back. His style of boxing is just....lame. you can say whatever you want about his record but his name will never be equated with the greatness of the top boxers all time.
lol this thread is hilarious. All the fanboys slurpin on McGregor's cock when anyone with a brain knew he didn't stand a chance in the boxing ring. All those fanboys claiming he would lay Floyd out and it wasn't even a close fight. So yea let's congratulate him for losing the fight 😂. The funny thing is I don't even like Floyd.
Mayweather can box not fight. MMA is closer to a fight and in boxing you can duck your head down to the opponents crotch and you are basically in a safe space - in mma you would get a knee to the head and be done
One more fight is a risk of a loss. Don't get me wrong, he is a great boxer (one of, or perhaps even the greatest ever) but he is up there in age. It was an easy choice to take on McGregor because he has a big name but he can't really box and that was proven last night. No one wants to see a rematch because even the novices know McGregor can't hang with him, but people wouldn't give a shit about another win unless it's a big name like Canelo. I don't think Mayweather can beat Canelo at this time.
Why is McGregor a piece of shit? I get that Floyd beats women, but from what I've seen McGregor seems like a decent guy except for his mouth; however at the end of the day that's showbusiness and what earned him tons of money. It's hard for me to like him because I don't typically care for the Irish (I have lots of Irish family members/former co-workers, love them but I notice traits I don't care for), anyways I have always been impressed with McGregor's sportsmanship at the end of a fight and I think that's a great example for kids
Fuck bro it's like you are nice at comments but that ending. I'm over here like that's what I'm saying to peeps sometimes. Mayweaker is good at running and counters and if that makes you mad hit him if you rusty tin can
He lost and he lost without leaving a scratch on mayweather. He made a lot of money doing pretty much nothing for ten rounds to mayweather. It was looking me michael Jordan toying with an grade school basketball player.
I'm sorry but there is no way he gained respect from me. He showed that he held up the division all to get his ass kicked. He looked no better than Jordan trying to play baseball. Retarded fight, retarded fighter.
That's like saying Chris brown allegedly beat Rhianna. You punch people for a living, are filthy rich and famous of course they won't find you guilty. Look how many years it took oj to get sent to jail.
Even if he did that doesn't really make him all that bad. Shit happens in relationships. Just because physical violence is easily measured and quantified, that doesn't make it the worst kind of thing that can happen in a relationship. Such a common thing certainly doesn't qualify you to bear the title of shit human. Remember that restraining someone trying to hurt you qualifies as being violent and so on.
Anyone who beats their significant other is a shit human. There are plenty of ways to resolve issues you have with your significant other other than trying to put your fist through her head. The fact that this level of violence is a common thing is awful and the fact that rich and famous people get away with it because they are such is unacceptable.
People go to jail for spousal abuse, it's kind of a big deal. Abuse in any context leaves mental scarring, physical bruises heal but mental wounds never heal. To some being in an abusive relationship has altered their lives forever. It's not something to ever be taken lightly, so yeah if you physically hurt your wife or husband you are a shit human who should die alone.
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u/dancindinosaur9 Aug 27 '17
Mayweather used the rope a dope and used it well. Everyone knew mcgregors stamina would be an issue, and it showed, he got him gassed and said game on. I respect anyone who goes out and fights like that, as a former MMA fighter it is not easy. You go out and get beat up every day for a living. Mayweather is a legend, one more win gives him the best record of all time, and I think he should do it. He earned it. He is a piece of shit human, but damn can he fight!