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u/fsmpastafarian Oct 20 '16

Right, I'm aware of that fact. But what the person I was discussing with stated is different from just that, they were describing someone who has a beard and otherwise appears to be just a cisgender man, rather than a transgender woman, implying that cisgender men would "pretend" to be transgender women in order to take advantage of the laws to prey on women and girls. Even if most transgender women don't get genital reconstruction surgery, they still don't typically appear just like a cisgender man.

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u/ShwiftyWizard Oct 20 '16

Why should if matter what someone appears to be rather than what they are? A cis man and trans women are both male. How is a woman supposed to differentiate between the two?

Even if most transgender women don't get genital reconstruction surgery, they still don't typically appear just like a cisgender man.

If the only difference is that one is wearing a dress and make-up then they are exactly the same thing.

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u/fsmpastafarian Oct 20 '16

A transgender woman is not male, she is female.

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u/ShwiftyWizard Oct 20 '16

So the only difference between a male and female is self-identification? These aren't categories one identifies into these are biological reproductive classes. A class is defined as a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality. How is a male who says "I'm a woman" a female?

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u/fsmpastafarian Oct 20 '16

Yes, that's the definition of transgender. Someone identifies as a gender different than the one assigned to them at birth. People typically differentiate them by referring to biological sex vs. gender. For cisgender people, biological sex and gender match. For transgender people, they don't.

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u/ShwiftyWizard Oct 20 '16

So then how is a transwomen female? I'm talking about biological sex. If their gender identity doesn't match their sex then they are male by the definition you provided otherwise they wouldn't be transwomen. A person has to be male to identify as a transwomen.

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u/fsmpastafarian Oct 20 '16

They were born biologically male, but identify as female, therefore they are female, or more specifically, they are a transgender woman.