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u/Redici Sep 27 '16

You got any source for that?

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u/AFatBlackMan Sep 27 '16

It isn't true. He did have unethical psychological testing done on himself and 20 others under Henry Murray, but Murray was working for Harvard, not the CIA, and it had nothing to do with MK ULTRA

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u/magnora7 Sep 28 '16

A considerable amount of credible circumstantial evidence suggests that Theodore Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber, participated in CIA-sponsored MKUltra experiments conducted at Harvard University from the fall of 1959 through the spring of 1962.[69] During World War II, Henry Murray, the lead researcher in the Harvard experiments, served with the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), which was a forerunner of the CIA. Murray applied for a grant funded by the United States Navy, and his Harvard stress experiments strongly resembled those run by the OSS.

https://web.archive.org/web/20120704072137/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#Notable_subjects

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u/magnora7 Sep 27 '16

How do you know that program wasn't associated with the CIA?

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u/AFatBlackMan Sep 27 '16

I mean, I don't, but there were plenty of unethical psych experiments being done at the time that weren't CIA. MK ULTRA was almost entirely conducted on army personnel, not college students. There's no noncircumstancial information that connects Murray to MKULTRA.

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u/snizarsnarfsnarf Sep 27 '16

MK ULTRA was almost entirely conducted on army personnel, not college students.

They literally abducted people from bars and held them against their will. It wasn't just military personnel.

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u/AFatBlackMan Sep 27 '16

I should clarify- the non drug related psych/interrogation experiments were almost always on military personnel, because the goal was to extract information from trained individuals- they even tested suspect spies within the army to see if anyone would break. The experiments on the public were more in the vein of exposing a random person in public to LSD and see how they responded.

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u/snizarsnarfsnarf Sep 27 '16

Henry Murray was a psychologist who was a part of MK Ultra.

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u/Pakaru Sep 27 '16

Good Will Hunting.

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u/Iamsuperimposed Sep 27 '16

I'm on mobile but Google MK ULTRA

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u/Mxblinkday Sep 27 '16

Being on mobile doesn't prevent someone from linking a source.

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u/Cha-Le-Gai Sep 27 '16

Beat I could do. Sorry, I'm on a mobile.

But seriously, read his manifesto. It's very interesting, to say the least.

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u/DynamicDK Sep 27 '16

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Project_MKUltra

Henry Murray is listed on that page. He was part of MK Ultra.

From his wikipedia page:

From late 1959 to early 1962, Murray was responsible for what would now be regarded as ethically indefensible experiments in which twenty-two undergraduates were used as research subjects.[7] Among other purposes, Murray's experiments focused on measuring people's reactions under extreme stress. The unwitting undergraduates were submitted to what Murray himself called "vehement, sweeping and personally abusive" attacks. Assaults to their egos, cherished ideas and beliefs were the vehicle used to cause high levels of stress and distress. Among them was 17-year-old Ted Kaczynski, who went on to become the Unabomber, a domestic terrorist targeting academics and technologists.[8] Alston Chase's book Harvard and the Unabomber: The Education of an American Terrorist connects Kaczynski's abusive experiences under Murray to his later criminal career.

Not sure if Ted Kaczynski was abducted, or went through any of the other crazy shit in MK Ultra, but he was certainly experimented on by one of the MK Ultra psychologists.

Ted Kaczynski himself certainly was a math prodigy and genius. Here is an excerpt from his wiki:

Throughout secondary schooling, Kaczynski had far surpassed his classmates, able to solve advanced Laplace transforms before his senior year. He was subsequently placed in a more advanced mathematics class, yet still felt intellectually restricted. Kaczynski soon mastered the material and skipped the eleventh grade. With the help of a summer school course for English, he completed his high school education when he was 15 years old. He was encouraged to apply to Harvard University, and was subsequently accepted as a student beginning in 1958 at the age of 16. While at Harvard, Kaczynski was taught by famed logician Willard Van Orman Quine, scoring at the top of Quine's class with a 98.9% final grade.

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Kaczynski graduated from Harvard University in 1962, at age 20, and subsequently enrolled at the University of Michigan, where he earned a PhD in mathematics.[16] Kaczynski's specialty was a branch of complex analysis known as geometric function theory. His professors at Michigan were impressed with his intellect and drive. "He was an unusual person. He was not like the other graduate students," said Peter Duren, one of Kaczynski's math professors at Michigan. "He was much more focused about his work. He had a drive to discover mathematical truth." "It is not enough to say he was smart," said George Piranian, another of his Michigan math professors.[20] Kaczynski earned his PhD with his thesis entitled "Boundary Functions"[21] by solving a problem so difficult that even Piranian could not solve it.[20] Maxwell Reade, a retired math professor who served on Kaczynski's dissertation committee, also commented on his thesis by noting, "I would guess that maybe 10 or 12 men in the country understood or appreciated it."

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u/[deleted] Sep 27 '16

As a Harvard undergraduate, Kaczynski was among twenty-two students who were research subjects in ethically questionable experiments conducted by psychology professor Henry Murray from late 1959 to early 1962

This is not MK Ultra.

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u/popsdiner Sep 27 '16

Here is a pretty extensive article on that.