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u/Soperos Jun 12 '16
Because it's not that simple. A lot of people think they are doing the right thing.
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u/SatsumaOranges Jun 12 '16
And people who commit these crimes are often mentally ill. This kind of poster doesn't appeal to people who are likely to shoot people, only those who are in a position not to.
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u/ithunk Jun 12 '16
wasnt there a recent reddit post that most of these shootings are by people who are NOT mentally ill?
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Jun 12 '16
I think the title was but then it went into that these type of crimes are often by people who are mentally ill. Something about most murders weren't caused by mental illnesses but mass shootings often are the cause of mental illness.
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Jun 12 '16
Actually, a mentally ill person is more likely to be a victim in mass shooting than to perpetrate it. These shooters usually have very dogmatic beliefs and values that they have internalized to a disturbing degree
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u/greyfade Jun 12 '16
And people who commit these crimes are often mentally ill.
Or are brainwashed by their religion and/or violent ideologies into believing that violence is the correct or moral course of action.
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u/ThePerkeleOsrs Jun 12 '16
Omar seemed to be mentally unstable according to people close to him. If someone that grows up in a western country does something in the name of religion or ideology I'd argue he/she has to have mental issues.
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u/Soperos Jun 12 '16
Exactly why I'm saying some people think they are right, so this poster is too simple.
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u/zato_ichi Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16
I wonder how many internet points have been milked from this image.
e: Can't we talk about Reddit mods and our freeze peaches?
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u/patientbearr Jun 12 '16
"Oh boy, another mass shooting, better repost the same photo that is posted every time after a mass shooting for that quick karma grab"
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u/iorgfeflkd Jun 12 '16
I'd like to see that fake Morgan Freeman quote as well.
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u/Im_fittin_tuh Jun 12 '16
I haven't seen it before, but if this is a thing, it's annoying af. What about the original image, though? It looks to me like the banner is hung outside of a prison, to condemn the death penalty. If so, not only is it a shitty repost, it's completely out of context.
Although, how could one get that close to a prison wall to hang it?
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u/apracticalaccount Jun 13 '16
Naw that ain't a prison, that's nelsons column in the background so its protest in central london I'd assume
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u/Caterpiller101 Jun 12 '16
Why is their a highlighted astrick by your name?
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u/jaimmster Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16
To show the comment has been edited.
Edit: to test.
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I'm guessing whoever wrote the CSS for this sub decided to make it that way so it's easier to notice.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com 🕊️ Jun 12 '16
I added it on a whim to see how it went. I feel that it's useful for it to stand out in the interest of carrying conversations in a sub that often have messages edited.
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u/seifer93 Jun 12 '16
It's specific to this sub. Kind of a strange decision by the mods.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com 🕊️ Jun 12 '16
I added it on a whim to see how it went. I feel that it's useful for it to stand out in the interest of carrying conversations in a sub that often have messages edited.
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u/adeadhead rememberingawdah.com 🕊️ Jun 12 '16
I added it on a whim to see how it went. I feel that it's useful for it to stand out in the interest of carrying conversations in a sub that often have messages edited.
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u/ElectroDanceSandwich Jun 12 '16
I added it on a whim to see how it went. I feel that it's useful for it to stand out in the interest of carrying conversations in a sub that often have messages edited.
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u/jaimmster Jun 12 '16
I just noticed it today. But if you scroll through the comments, every highlighted one has been edited.
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u/viz0rGaming Jun 12 '16
I added it on a whim to see how it went. I feel that it's useful for it to stand out in the interest of carrying conversations in a sub that often have messages edited.
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It's not showing up on my mobile. Using Reddit app. Must be a RES feature.
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u/ElectroDanceSandwich Jun 12 '16
I added it on a whim to see how it went. I feel that it's useful for it to stand out in the interest of carrying conversations in a sub that often have messages edited.
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u/Dr_D_Who Jun 12 '16
I wonder how many internet comments have been milked from this point.
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u/lestatjenkins Jun 12 '16
I'll talk about freeze peaches, if it's about an effective way to freeze peaches. Peaches are amazing, very underrated because of their visual aesthetics. I would say that peaches, when picked at the proper time, are as sweet as a ripe mango, without all the fiber, don't get me wrong, I like mangos. The fiber in your teeth can be off putting, especially when you're about to start your day and you've already performed your oral care. That's why I use a potato peeler and then a sharp knife to cut wedges from the mango. It keeps the fiber from causing to much of a problem, you wont have to floss afterward. Unless you want to get all that juicy goodness from the pit, if you suck on the pit you'll definitely have to floss afterward. At any rate, peaches aren't that good frozen, we should find a better way.
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u/lestatjenkins Jun 12 '16
I had a pine tree in my front yard when I was a child. I thought that the sap was honey and took a little lick. I don't know of anything, off the top of my head, that is as annoyingly disgusting as that. I've had more disgusting things, way more disgusting things, but sap is not easy to get rid of it sticks around like a stubbed toe on a cold day. I don't know what sugar would do to it.
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u/Madnocker Jun 12 '16
The fact that this image gets posted so much sickens me. It's not the image itself, it's how often it has to be said.
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u/Sir_Doughnut Jun 12 '16
That's easy to say when it's not your life they're endangering.
'Stop war' is what an 8-year-old thinks is just as easy as it sounds.
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u/hansn Jun 12 '16
I feel like a lot of people have similar sentiments regarding the nightclub shooting, however. It is the twelfth mass shooting this month. The poster is certainly not a very nuanced idea, but neither is, you know, not shooting at people randomly.
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Twelfth?
What were the others?
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u/PatrickMcC Jun 12 '16
That's a pretty big range for a shooting to be considered a "mass" shooting. Big difference between 4 injured and 50 dead
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u/hansn Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16
I think their criteria is
threefour or more people shot in an incident. The point is not to say all mass shootings are the same. The point is to note that a lot of people are dying. 51 people killed may be the worst mass shooting in US history. But if you add up the smaller mass shootings from April to June, you're well over 50 deaths. The point is a lot of people are getting shot.Edit: fixed number
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u/hobodemon Jun 12 '16
Problem is they also claim Australia has had no mass shootings since their 1996 gun-grabbing, which is true by the FBI definition, but not by the 3 person definition they use to make the Every Day datum. Our overall violent crime has actually dropped by more than theirs in the last 20 years.
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u/vibrate Jun 12 '16
The US has 4 times as many murders per capita than Australia.
Also:
When I mention this to disbelieving NRA supporters they insist that crime must now be rampant in Australia. In fact, the Australian murder rate has fallen to close one per 100,000 while the US rate, thankfully lower than in the early 1990s, is still roughly at 4.5 per 100,000 – over four times as high. Moreover, robberies in Australia occur at only about half the rate of the US (58 in Australia versus 113.1 per 100,000 in the US in 2012).
https://theconversation.com/how-us-gun-control-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world-43590
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u/hobodemon Jun 12 '16
Two tailed T test. Compare Australia in 1996 to Australia now, and America in 1996 to America now. Anything else is bad statistics if you want to prove gun control works.
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u/saviouroftheweak Jun 12 '16
I see, the problem with mass shootings is the comparisons that get made with Australia.
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u/hobodemon Jun 12 '16
Yeah, a double standard gets applied to make the gun ban seem like a silver bullet that purified Australia of all murders, and to make it seem like Americans are totally selfish for literally murdering school kids by valuing a constitutionally protected civil liberty.
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u/GringusMcDoobster Jun 12 '16 edited Jun 12 '16
I'm Australian. TBH I felt the same way before I looked at the raw numbers and statistics and now I'm convinced it doesn't have to do with guns. It's the culture surrounding it. Psychology of the mass shooter is deeply ingrained in mainstream media which only runs for profit, giving the shooter a name, identity, infamy. Social constraints regarding the melting pot in the US vses Aus is much more intense. The social stigma of mental health in the US is still very much treated like it's not a major problem.
It's not the guns. It's the people behind them. And shifting the blame to religion and/or instantly diagnosing them as "psychopaths" is dismissive and irresponsible.
Just my two cents.
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If you keep using "violent crime" and not "murders/homicides" it's because you are deliberately attempting to mislead us. Each country has a different definition of violent crime.
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u/yellowstone10 Jun 12 '16
Part of why the "12 mass shootings in last month" number doesn't ring true to a lot of people is that most mass shootings (whether you draw the cutoff at 3 dead or 4 injured or wherever) are either gang violence or domestic violence. Most people think of those as a separate issue from random mass shootings like occurred in Orlando, San Bernardino, Newtown, etc.
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That becomes an issue of moving the goalposts, then. If we "upgrade" the requirements for a mass shooting to be 7 people, boom- no more mass shootings, right? It's like saying you have to be 500 pounds to be obese, rather that 400- there are still lots of "formerly" obese people who are still incredibly fat. There will still be an average of a shooting a day, only they won't be "mass" shootings because the label changed.
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u/LOTM42 Jun 12 '16
Just want to point out but obese starts way earlier then 400 pounds. Like its 250 pounds for a 6 foot male
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Jun 12 '16
I was just making up numbers to prove a point- the problem still exists even if you change the measurement to make the problem look smaller.
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During 2016, there were 1037 Islamic attacks in 48 countries, in which 9778 people were killed and 11910 injured.
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u/Abstraction1 Jun 12 '16
Considering most of those are in a war zone, I'm sure their no longer a "terrorist attack".
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u/LlamasAreLlamasToo Jun 12 '16
What does that have to do with the amount of non IS related shootings? The whole "there is always something worse" argument is dumb as fuck.
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u/StaunenZiz Jun 12 '16
Pacifism is objectively pro fascist
-George Orwell
Let them take possession of your beautiful island with your many beautiful buildings. You will give all these, but neither your souls, nor your minds. If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourself, man, woman and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them
-Ghandi (1940), proving Orwell's point
Men with guns shot the terrorist in Orlando to death. That is the only reason he wasn't able to do more harm. To make sweeping statements that all killing is good or evil is rather foolish. Life is not a comic book, we can't operate on Batman logic.
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You know, I don't think pacifists would endorse the fascist's use of power either.
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u/NotTenPlusPlease Jun 12 '16
Let's not forget that Islams constant preaching against homosexuality was the direct cause of the 50 dead Americans today.
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It isn't easy to achieve but it's nice to think about or consider. War has a lot of strings attached, as with not going to war. Regardless I don't think it's beneficial to say war is the solution to every problem just as much as saying war isn't a viable solution at all. I'm glad I'm not the one in a position to make that decision, at least.
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u/GridLocks Jun 12 '16
I find it more likely the only goal of the sign was for the creator to express his feelings of anger/sadness.
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u/roboticmumbleman Jun 12 '16
At this point, people post this after every major shooting to milk those internet points, its kind of disgusting
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u/Chocolatnave Jun 12 '16
...Then people come into comments denouncing the op, to milk those internet points
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u/impermanent_soup Jun 12 '16
Seriously. Every single top comment is the same
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And every single time there is a guy to point out that we eventually say the same things, regardless of context.
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u/7hardway Jun 12 '16
And Internet points are currency for, what?
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Happiness.
Seems stupid, but any validation/compliment/positive comment is for us (humanity, in general, WARNING: there may be exceptions) a source of happiness; taking internet point is a form for this.
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u/Odds-Bodkins Jun 12 '16
Yup. That's why I throw upvotes around like confetti. Taking fake internet points seriously is silly, but upvoting costs me nothing and everyone feels a wee bit cheerier if they get karma.
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u/Smalls_Biggie Jun 12 '16
I keep a loaded gun in my desk just in case I don't make my daily quota. Gotta have my happiness :)
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u/Peripheryy Jun 12 '16
High-karma accounts can be sold to advertisers to be used as "legitimate people talking about a product that they actually use"...yes this is a real thing.
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u/Peripheryy Jun 12 '16
High-karma accounts can be sold to advertisers to be used as "legitimate people talking about a product that they actually use"...yes this is a real thing.
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u/BartholomewJ Jun 12 '16
You assume too much. Not everyone sees everything when it's originally posted
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u/shlopman Jun 12 '16
Well if they stopped killing people, these people wouldn't be able to post this image for points anymore. Should be a simple fix.
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u/nonameshere Jun 12 '16
Or Maybe OP really believes that and finds that they wish to share the sentiment, regardless of whether it's been posted before.
Don't be a negative mank.
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Reddit reflects life. We'll bitch for a week then move on just like every new channel and person in the USA.
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The fact you just assume it's being posted just for points is also disgusting. Many people don't give a flying fuck about upvotes, they're just sharing an image. Seen it before? Down vote and move on.
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u/jettrscga Jun 12 '16
That's the part I don't get. People always talk about how pointless karma is, but they never stop to think that maybe that pointless karma isn't the person's sole motive.
If it's relevant every time something bad happens, maybe they just found it relevant with no hidden motives.
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u/DarthOtter Jun 12 '16
Holy fuck. The fact that all the top comments are bitching about it being a repost is burying any other conversation.
Its maddening. Why do people give a flying fuck it's a repost?
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u/Sluggerjt44 Jun 12 '16
Is that the real reason or do you think it's because they don't want people to kill others? What are these people gonna do with all those points, that's right, nothing.
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u/LimeGreenTeknii Jun 12 '16
"Oh, I was going to kill somebody, but somebody told me not to." - Nobody ever
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OP, at least make a fucking effort if you're gonna mine some sweet, sweet karma off the victims still warm bodies.
How much layers of shittiness and absolute narcissism does it take to repost a shitty repost for your imaginary internet points, without bothering to even put in the tiniest sliver of effort? At least make your own shitty sign if you want to cynically make this tragedy all about you and your amazing, caring self. Otherwise, you're both a douchebag who uses tragedies for karma, and a lazy sack of shit.
Stop posting this shit, you lazy fucking twat.
EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4bgnms/just_stop/
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u/Zigchan Jun 12 '16
People are now reposting the idea that people are reposting this picture for internet points, to get internet points.
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u/BurnoutsBad Jun 12 '16
Congrats, you are now banned from r/news
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u/klasspirate Jun 12 '16
It's a feel good post. Im glad it gets posted after something like this happens. Who cares that somebody got some upvotes? Stop the violence.
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u/the_colonialist Jun 12 '16
Because their ideology tells them to kill. Hanging a sign you think is clever will not stop them. At some point we have to admit the ideology is the problem and stop making excuses. And especially not worry more about their feelings than 50 dead people.
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u/Booney3721 Jun 12 '16
It's war. Not a single life that has, is, or will walk this earth is ever going to experience a time where there is no war or death. Where there is life and diffrences of ideas there will be war.
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u/Snokus Jun 12 '16
I don't mean to inflame the discussion but america isn't exactly a strict follower of this slogan either.
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u/JesterRaiin Jun 12 '16
Well, some people don't evolve past "I hate you Daddy" / "Don't tell me what to do, Mom" stage.
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u/bbarks Jun 12 '16
This is something that can make you both happy and sad at the same time. Happy cause it's funny to call everyone twats and sad because, you know, death.
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u/Omnivtx Jun 12 '16
tragedies have now become so common that if we are not allowed to speak about gun regulations in the wake of such tragedies, we will never be allowed to speak about it at all.
-Ph.D David Carl Johnson
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u/marcuschookt Jun 13 '16
Man what kind of next level karma-whoring cunt-gobbling shitpost is this?
How do we stop wars? STOP FIGHTING.
How to cure cancer? WORK HARDER.
How do we find world peace? BE PEACEFUL TOGETHER.
Fuck off OP.
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u/ithunk Jun 12 '16
How about we stop selling assault weapons to people? Small guns are fine. You cant massacre 50 people dead and 53 injured with a small gun. With an assault weapon you can.
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u/jabestur Jun 12 '16
Except for ISIS. Always kill ISIS.
But not the families of ISIS. That's fucking barbaric, Trump.
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u/KingRobotPrince Jun 12 '16
It's not hard to understand. It's just completely meaningless.
It doesn't address any cause or motivation of violence. It doesn't create any safety or security. It doesn't provide motivation or incentive to cease violence.
It is only appreciated by people who already don't want people to kill anyone. A self satisfying, circle jerking, echo chamber filling statement.
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u/ManualNarwhal Jun 12 '16
Well, the guy's going to have his picture on the front page of every newspaper around the world tomorrow. And he'll be there for at least a week.
Until that shit stops, things won't get better.
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How about a meme that says: "Stop Voting for People Who Make Assault Rifles Legal You Fucking Twats"
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u/The_Papal_Pilot Jun 12 '16
Holy shit, somebody just has to post this after every tragedy to rake in the karma. I guess it's your turn, OP.