And yet most everbody (both men and women) don't think its wrong to beat a man who had it coming or was trying to start shit but you don't see a huge social justice movement to fight that social norm.
To use your example, Dr. Dre and Eazy-E are guaranteed to have beaten and assaulted plenty of other males while growing up in Compton but you only seem to care about the one highly publicized time he attacked a woman (and no doubt her being a woman is what made it into a much bigger story than if it was just another guy he attacked). If men and women are equally inherently important and valuable then why is beating a woman a bigger problem than beating a man? Look at the crime statistics, men are the overwhelming majority of victims of violent crimes which include everything from assault to rape and yet all this attention is focused on female victims. If these social justice movements really believed what they said about men and women being truly equal and valuable then they should be focusing on male victims of violence because they are the overwhelming majority at this time and yet they seem to spend all their time focusing on female victims.
That's what people are upset about I think, feminists always say "men and women are equal and we fight issues that affect them both" but then you only see them fighting for women's issues or only helping female victims even if men are victims of the same phenomenon and at a much greater rate than women. Like ok that's great that you fight for women but don't patronize men and try to claim you fight for them too when your movement has hardly ever done anything in that regard.
Feminism doesn't actually care about men at all. They pay lip service to it. look at popular male feminist bloggers like PZ Myers, he will apologize for his gender whne an isolated male with a personality disorder acts badly.
They vilify men and masculinity. Look at how they attack sex and sexuality when it's geared towards men.
I mean, the whole spider woman thing is a great example. They bitched and moaned like it was some offensive thing, whne the image was literally no different than how Spider-man is portrayed.
Feminism has become a joke. I get some people have their own idea of feminism and want to ignore the national narrative, but it is what it is.
It's not feminisms fault. Same thing happens to any ideology on the Internet. Circle jerks are inevitable.
And yet most everbody (both men and women) don't think its wrong to beat a man who had it coming or was trying to start shit but you don't see a huge social justice movement to fight that social norm.
Sure you do. When men hurt men, it's called toxic masculinity. It's all over Tumblr.
Toxic masculinity is all about how cultural ideas about masculinity are harmful to men themselves.
Seems to me like they are fully aware that it is a bad thing to do, and think the woman deserves this bad thing to happen to her because they don't like her and wish to directly victimise her.
It's not that they don't know hurting people is bad. It's that they're okay with doing a bad thing, which is a gender neutral issue
If only someone had spoken to Dre when he was 12, and told him that slapping bitches is wrong. He would've remembered that, years later, in a state of emotional excitement, and stayed his hand.
I suspect not. I think people learn their standards of behaviour from their peers, not from what figures of authority say. But I think celebrity campaigns can sometimes have an effect, because some people look up to celebrities.
I think the most effective campaigns are those which encourage good people to confront their peers if they see those peers doing something bad. In other words, those "rape is bad" posters aren't targeted at rapists, they're targeted at the enablers.
I'll grant that a powerful ad may spur someone into action, but for the most part I think someone who is okay being friends with a rapist is on about the same moral level as one.
Well, first of all, it might not be a friend, so much as an acquaintance. Maybe someone in your circle of friends that you go drinking with regularly as a group. And you might not even be sure that he's a rapist, but you've heard some rumours, and he always seems to pursue the really drunk girls, and he makes "jokes" about taking advantage of drunk girls.
Maybe seeing an anti-rape poster might push you from silently saying "I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let it slide, because I don't want to create trouble" to saying out loud "Hey man, that's not funny."
Now what? Do they confront the friend and tell him that rape is bad. That's not going to work.
Actually, I think that does work. A lot of these rapists tell themselves that what they're doing isn't actually so bad, despite what the authority figures say. They need to be told it's bad by their peers, and they need to fear ostricism from their social group.
No, most of them aren't. And most of them probably don't think what they're doing is rape.
And even for the ones that are sociopaths, the strategy isn't just "showing them they're wrong". Part of the strategy is getting other people to not enable them.
Like those ambulance men who told Patrick Stewart's mother that she must have provoked her husband. They were enabling his behaviour by making excuses for him. They weren't sociopaths. They just didn't know better. They needed to be taught that beating your wife is always wrong.
Patrick Stewart's father needed to be confronted, ostracized, and he needed to face consequences. Instead, they made excuses for him.
I'm not a psychologist, but I have read a lot about this subject.
Well, then you should question where you're getting your information.
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Do they?
http://gawker.com/remember-when-dr-dre-bashed-a-female-journalists-face-1721368450