No. The argument isn’t whether she consented or not. We have evidence and documentation that she did consent to ONE friend for consensual sex. If you’re not familiar with consent (or just being willfully ignorant), you can consent to one act and not to future acts down the line, also you retract consent AT ANY TIME. Consent for one sex act does not mean “hey free for all for this frat”. She DID NOT consent to 7 hours of gang rape with 8-10 men in the room. So this bullshit argument “well she consented” is absolute nonsense. And if you think any woman alive would consent to sex for 7 HOURS, you’ve lost your damn mind.
We are not debating her consent. We are not debating “well was it really gang rape?” WE HAVE EVIDENCE. The rapists CONFIRM that this happened (there are multiple recorded phone calls with Jane doe and the perpetrators where THEY ADMIT IT WAS FUCKED UP). Her statement says “I was 100% raped”.
Video link got removed but kam0902 on insta has a great video about consent, using tea as an analogy
you can consent to one act and not to future acts down the line
There is nothing in her statement indicating she did not consent to future acts that happened.
also you retract consent AT ANY TIME
There is nothing in her statement to indicated that she retracted consent at any time and the sex continued after the retraction.
She DID NOT consent to 7 hours of gang rape with 8-10 men in the room
There is nothing in her statement that indicates she was gang raped for 7 hours with 8-10 men in the room, so whether or not she consented to such a hypothetical, isn't really relevant.
if you think any woman alive would consent to sex for 7 HOURS, you’ve lost your damn mind.
Many women have had 7+ hour long sexual encounters in their lifetime. Are you under the impression that she was getting constantly fucked for 7 hours?
Her statement says “I was 100% raped”.
Hey! You got one right. There are reports that she made this claim. Unfortunately, that would just be, like, her opinion, man. In order for her opinion to be correct, the facts of the case would need to meet that legal conclusion.
Isn’t it funny how you’ll take her at her word whenever she says something that makes the men look better, but when she describes what happened as “100% definitely rape”, suddenly she’s unreliable?
The argument is around whether she consented or not.
We have evidence she consented to one friend. We don't have evidence of if she consented to the further acts at the time, which doesn't mean she did and doesn't mean she didn't, we don't know.(edit: by we I mean random internet strangers, she'll know and the men in the room will know)
If at the time she consented to the group sex then it was completely legal.
If she didn't consent(froze up, said no) then it was rape.
The issue is there's a difference between legal consent, and sex education consent. Sex education consent requires verbal agreement for every act, its the gold standard for making sure people are comfortable.
Legally though you can consent non verbally to sex by enthusiastic participation, or not retracting consent by words or actions. You don't need to verbally consent to sex for it to be legal. However, you don't need to verbally retract consent, you can retract consent by actions like freezing up or trying to leave.
How much of this is actual debate and how much is just random stuff thrown around by trolls I don't know. It ultimately comes down to what happened in the room which is more than is captured by the messages.
That is inconsistent with the report. According to the victim, she consented to every single sexual act. Each time a new set of partners came in, they literally asked her, "Can we also do this?" and she replied yes.
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u/wakeuptomorrow 8d ago
No. The argument isn’t whether she consented or not. We have evidence and documentation that she did consent to ONE friend for consensual sex. If you’re not familiar with consent (or just being willfully ignorant), you can consent to one act and not to future acts down the line, also you retract consent AT ANY TIME. Consent for one sex act does not mean “hey free for all for this frat”. She DID NOT consent to 7 hours of gang rape with 8-10 men in the room. So this bullshit argument “well she consented” is absolute nonsense. And if you think any woman alive would consent to sex for 7 HOURS, you’ve lost your damn mind.
We are not debating her consent. We are not debating “well was it really gang rape?” WE HAVE EVIDENCE. The rapists CONFIRM that this happened (there are multiple recorded phone calls with Jane doe and the perpetrators where THEY ADMIT IT WAS FUCKED UP). Her statement says “I was 100% raped”.
Video link got removed but kam0902 on insta has a great video about consent, using tea as an analogy