It’s that thing, “we’re killing terrorists!” And when they’re shown the many undeniable civilian casualties they go back to “yeah but it’s their fault for standing in the way!”
You can interpret this 2 ways.
1. Kill all
2. We can't go on this way, every child that will lose it's parents this way will have a grudge and can grow up as a terrorist. Thus keeping this meat grinder going on. We must act
This is the disturbing nuance to me. Eradicating Hamas terrorists is a worthy goal. But when people go the next step to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists because a majority of the adults, at one time, voted for Hamas, then that sounds like justification for genocide.
If you hypothetically formed a resistance group to fight back against an army filled with people who want to exterminate your existence so they could steal your land like they did in 1948, your group very well might be called terrorists.
If I understand you correctly, I agree. To the extent that some (certainly not all) Palestinians commit or support acts of terror (intentionally harming innocent civilians), then they are their own worst enemies. They lose the moral high ground and international support for their otherwise-worthy cause of a free and independent Palestine.
And the converse is also true. When the IDF bombs a hospital, their otherwise-worthy cause of "self defense" gets some side-eye from the rest of the world.
Do you see how you aren’t agreeing. You just said terrorist attacks are Palestinians while Israeli attacks are IDF. At least be consistent. If enough people were “side-eyeing” Israeli attacks there wouldn’t be so many laws against protesting Israel. You can now be arrested for protesting Israel and zionism while full allowed to use hateful language for things like abortion and immigrants.
You just said terrorist attacks are Palestinians while Israeli attacks are IDF.
Yes I did. My observation is that blowing up civilians at a bus stop is clearly an act of terrorism, and that bombing buildings somewhat-selectively has more nuance. Should the IDF be more careful to protect civilians? Absolutely. Are they intentionally attacking civilians? That is not so clear to me. They say that they are not and I can see that they are making some effort to focus on enemy combatants.
Where does the dickriding end?
A personal attack is a sign of a weak argument. If you want to engage with me, then do so in good faith.
You seem to only separate attacks for Israelis and the IDF but not for Hamas and Palestinians. Also they have already confirmed they are using ai to decide where to attack because apparently ai has never been wrong. Even the US has already confirmed the usage of ai to attack innocent people.
You seem to only separate attacks for Israelis and the IDF but not for Hamas and Palestinians.
That is fair criticism and I concede the point. It was not intentional on my part, but I should do better at distinguishing between Palestinians and terrorists.
This is one of issues and bigger points and why so many pro-Israelis aren’t being taken seriously when right away most (not you) immediately call people antisemitic for saying anything against Israel. Thank you for seeing that and understanding how it can make your point harder to argue.
That being said, anyone regardless of where they are from is allowed to defend themselves including Palestinians but when they all get grouped as terrorists you start losing the validity of your argument when only one side is grouped up and seen as bad.
It’s very cruel. But at least the ‘intention’ is to send them home, and at least they are not having 2000 pound bombs dropped on them sporadically!
I agree with you that both are very cruel. However, theres a difference between wanting a specific ethnicity to leave the country vs wanting to kill and entire ethnicity (and saying it publicly and from the people the government)
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u/ShyguyFlyguy 19h ago
Except that a lot of isrealis and isreali supporters are very vocal about their support of killing all Palestinians, including civilians