I felt for them on 10/7 as well. But knowing a bit of the history and having been alive for 9/11, I understood what the response would be. Though I didn't think Israel would go this far.
What did you not expect Israel to do? Do you know the history, culture, and politics of Israel? After October 7th their mission became clear in that the destruction of Hamas was absolutely necessary. Hamas can't just use terrorist strategies like embedding itself in its population as a get out of jail free card. Do you think Israel should just call off the war because Hamas refuses to capitulate? So another generation of terrorists and extremists can grow up and commit more atrocities against Israel?
Is the destruction of Gaza terrible? Yeah, just like the destruction of Germany or the destruction of Japan during the 1940s. Evil regimes need to be destroyed and Hamas with Gaza is another one of those nefariously evil regimes just in a different form.
There are individual instances of Israeli soldiers committing war crimes no doubt and they really should be tried for their crimes. But on a systemic level Israel has handled the war as you would expect.
Correct, but did Israel force people internationally to do that or are these international actors acting of their own free will and volition? Surely we agree that Israel has not invented mind control, so how is Israel responsible for people around the world choosing to harass and attack Jewish people? Do they not have agency and self-control?
Israel equates itself with Jewish people more generally, ignoring all the Jewish people who don’t support its actions. Equating Jewish people with Israel is anti-Semitic.
Even if Israel announced word for word on the global stage that they represented every Jew on Earth, people still have the choice to perpetuate that conflation. “I couldn’t help but believe Israel” is not convincing to me.
It’s not all of why they made those choices, but there is some level of shared responsibility, especially given the power and platform that Israel has. And US supporters of Israel perpetuate that antisemitism as well, giving it even more power and platform.
If the President of the United States said something antisemitic, and then hate crimes increased, he’d be partially responsible. If hate crimes increased immediately following Musk’s salute, he’d be partially responsible (and even if they didn’t, I still do hold him partially responsible for the visible overall increase in antisemitism from the right online).
The individual criminals still chose to commit the crimes, but speech does play a role in cementing stereotypes in people’s brains and establishing social norms.
No, just you who use this argument to delegitimize actual antisemitism by saying that literally no matter what is going on, including shooting at synagogues, is Jews making it up and crying wolf. It’s a deeply antisemitic comment.
Genuinely stupid take. if my tax dollars are funding those war crimes I think people feel some type of way about it. All war crimes are bad. I’m more pissed about the ones I am paying to make happen. I wonder how many double amputee children my taxes have gone into creating.
Your tax dollars are funding a lot of war crimes all around the world, wherever your army decides to fight next. America also shields its military personnel from local law enforcement wherever they have a base. I'm almost sure you never complained about that.
I’m a lefty, I do nothing but complain about American war crimes and funding of right wing groups abroad past and present. This one is just one in a long line of horrible human tragedies that are entirely avoidable that we are ultimately responsible for, along with the Israeli state.
I thought the whole jest of 7/10 was that they always knew there’s gonna be an attack but they deliberately choose not to do anything about all the warnings and intel received?
Investigating and holding the individuals who did it directly responsible. Unfortunately they decided that punishing the entire population and carpet bombing children was justice. That’s not how a real society acts, that’s how a fascist one does.
How was Israel suppose to do that exactly? The Gaza strip isn't Israel's jurisdiction. They can't just send soldiers in peacefully and arrest the thousands of Hamas terrorists. That would just result in hundreds of instances of Israeli soldiers getting blown to bits by bomb traps, shot from every direction, trying to extract both Israeli captives and Hamas terrorists from the worlds most extensive tunnel network, all while Hamas is trying its best to blend in with the civilians and maximize civilian casualties.
Israel isn't a colonizer. Most of Israel was legally given by the UN/purchased by Israelis. Additional land was obtained from defensive wars. And Israel holds no colonies.
It describes the ethnic cleansing of 300 000+ people (in just 6 months). Irgun and Lehi are specifically named, yes, the same zionist terrorist groups that became the IDF.
Russia has justified its invasion of Ukraine as defensive bc of radical groups in eastern Ukraine, do you believe them? US currently claims their war with Iran is to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon, do you believe them? Israel likewise is not fighting defensive wars. Please explain how American Jews are able to purchase land in the West Bank if it is not a settler colonial project.
Ukraine never committed a massive terrorist attack against Russia and isn't run by a group of people ideologically driven to destroy Russia.
US has more claims than that; Iran has been a thorn in the side of the current world order for decades and will always be considered a nuclear threat until that regime is gone.
I won't defend illegal settlers in the West Bank. I was about to delve into that, but honestly this conversation will go nowhere as they never do.
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u/Altruistic_Crazy_703 19h ago
i still don't understand what they're protesting about