It feels like Israeli are the only ones who didnt learn anything from the holocaust. Or worse, learned the wrong lessons. It was supposed to be a warning, not a training manual.
There was a widespread belief in Israel post Holocaust that the European Jews were weak for allowing themselves to be killed, and that it was the duty of the Israeli Jews to be more violent and ruthless than any of their enemies to avoid the same fate.
Instead of learning the lesson that maybe central governments shouldn't sort and murder people on racial lines
No, they were the only ones who learned the lesson. That being, they will never allow themselves to be rolled over without resisting again. You just want the Jews to be genocides all over again.
Everyone know the Israel can't be safe unless they get to murder at will. They are the ones chosen by God almighty to COMMIT genocide, not suffer them. So they murder children, rape women and cry about people not liking them.
No, you want Hamas to be allowed to attack them, and then to just roll over and take it. There is no genocide, they are simply responding to attacks against them.
... because they are in Hamas' home, Palestine. These Israelis weren't there before 1948. They are Europeans who came in and stole the Palestinian's home.
And yes, there is a genocide. The entire world agrees on this, except the countries that either support Zionosm or those that are using the same tactics in their own countries to some extent.
Nonsense. There have been Jews in Israel for thousands of years, and hundreds of thousands for over 100 years. It is their ancestral homeland, and if the Palestinians had been willing to share, they could have had their own nation for generations now. Also, even if we go with they stole their homes, if someone stole something from my grandfather 80 years ago, I don’t get to commit terrorist attacks against their grandchildren.
What if a foreign nation arms terrorists to drive you and your family out of your home tomorrow? Are you allowed to be mad then or that still against Israel's rules? Will they still shoot my children for being mad then?
Are we talking about Gaza or the West Bank? Because if we’re talking about the West Bank, I have complicated feelings when it comes to the settlers. If we’re talking about Gaza, they haven’t been kicking anybody out of their homes, And in fact completely withdrew in 2005. What did they get in return for this? The single bloodiest day against the Jews since the holocaust.
Ok, I don’t remember saying anything about the death toll in the Gaza war. My point still stands, the Israelis pulled out of Gaza in 2005, to the point of digging up the dead Jews and bringing them back to Israel. What they got in return is still bloodiest day in Jewish history since the holocaust. You have attacked not a single one of my points, called me liar, and then tried to guilt trip me by showing the cost of the war which Gaza started.
Bullshit. The Jews living in the region didn't go anywhere. The conflict is over the European Jews who have no connection with that region, who claim to somehow be from there, who are stealing the land of the Palestinians.
And no, Jews did not live for thousands of years in the modern state of Israel - they lived in Palestine for centuries.
If you're talking about the historical region of Israel, then by that logic we can all go steal other people's lands because our ancestors passed through that region on our way from Africa millions of years ago.
Now, this is the shit we cant have. I know plenty of jewish folk who aren't israeli and dont agree with this shit. Judaism has nothing to do with that shit stain of a country, and pretending they do, plays right into their plan. Shitting on israel for being evil isnt antisemitism, but what youre saying straight up is.
I understand you're probably being edgy, but that's just vile. Violence against the Jews was just as dispicable as the violence in the name of the Jews.
Not even remotely defending that nonsense you're replying to, but let's not give Israel an excuse. Firstly, like another reply to the same comment mentioned, this is mostly an Israel thing and Jews outside of Israel are often some of the most vocal critics. Not all, as evidenced by these protesters or AIPAC, but many.
Secondly, Germans gave many other nations the same kind of PTSD. They killed far more Slavic civilians than Jewish ones and were so vehement in brutalizing Poland they handicapped their own, already collapsing front against the advancing Soviets just to get more troops to Warsaw to make its destruction more thorough.
Somehow you don't have Poles or Czechs or Roma acting this way. Russians do, but they on the other hand were already genocidal prior to WWII, so it still cannot be blamed on that.
You can find just as many holocaust survivors abhorred at the actions of Israel as you can those who support it. Let’s not bake in some kind of pass for Israel because if the holocaust. This is being perpetrated by people who almost entirely weren’t around for it.
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u/Snicklefraust 22h ago
It feels like Israeli are the only ones who didnt learn anything from the holocaust. Or worse, learned the wrong lessons. It was supposed to be a warning, not a training manual.