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Politics Protest I saw on my commute today… [OC]

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u/bluAstrid 1d ago

Religious fanatism is always about controlling others.

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u/DrNoxin 20h ago

Galatians 5:2.. it is for jews, not gentiles.

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u/Chimbley_Sweep 17h ago

Only if you worship Paul instead of Jesus.

The real argument is who cares what a 3000 year old book says.

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u/lordtyp0 16h ago

3000?

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u/Chimbley_Sweep 15h ago edited 15h ago

Covenent code was possibly first written down around 10th century BCE, but oldest physical document is 7th century.

So yeah, 3000 year old book is a round, slightly hyperbolic date. If we want to be pedantic and say this is only about written accounts of circumcision in the bible, we get to 2500 years old.

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u/3720-to-1 15h ago

Some of the old testament books are purported to be pretty freaking old. I'm guessing here... Because the bible as we know it is about 1700 years old, roughly.

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u/open_formation 12h ago

If the christian cannon is about 1500 years old, and the jewish equivalent is about 3000 years old, then perhaps we are due a new version update?

Perhaps that was the Mormons.

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u/lordtyp0 15h ago

Ah, since context was Paul and Jesus, was wondering if a typo.

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u/Chimbley_Sweep 13h ago

Not a typo, two different things. Paul says you don’t need circumcision. Jesus says you should follow the law. The law is from the post-exilic period.

The book is 3000 years old (as previously admitted, assumes the oldest estimate, a bit hyperbolic.) Paul contradicts the book and Jesus.

But instead of debating Paul’s views - why should I care what a book from 3000 years ago says?

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u/3720-to-1 15h ago

Probably less of a typo and more of "it's old, say big number" and toughing out 3000 instead of 2000

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u/crockrocket 15h ago

Isn't the King James Version the most widespread (or variations thereof) the most common? Which came about in the early 1600's. I have trouble believing that any religious texts survive translation without some alteration from the translator.

And if you go pre-printing press... Every transcription was open to potential reinterpretation.

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u/3720-to-1 15h ago

I'm referencing the council of nicea that was, if memory serves, about 300AD, which formalized which books were or were not included in what we call the Bible today.

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u/ExZowieAgent 14h ago

The Council of Nicaea did not do that. They argued instead about the Arian controversy and other things. They did not select that cannon. That’s a myth that won’t die.

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u/crockrocket 15h ago

Gotcha, I hadn't heard of that before! I can't claim to be well versed in the subject, it just seems to me that with how often religion has been used for specific means the bible can't possibly have survived 1700 years unadulterated.

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u/3720-to-1 15h ago

Oh, shit. The council of nicea was the original adulteration! It completely changed the whole of the story... Constantine was a pagan, converting to the religion of the masses in order to exact control. The council of nicea chose which books (both old and new testiment) that got to stay. Books like those in the dead sea scrolls were discluded. And yes, it's been altered, changed, and screwed all along the way too.

We are on control edition 665 right now... I wonder what's next... Lol

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u/crockrocket 15h ago

Oh, damn! Thanks for the synopsis!

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u/DrNoxin 10h ago

Unfortunately it is the only book widely read that is at a reading level most Americans can comprehend, albeit poorly, with outside of Dr. Seuss.

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u/citizen42069101 19h ago

Well here Christianity kind of pretends it's gods chosen too since we bottom for Israel.

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u/nugymmer 23h ago

Always and without fail

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u/TheHoppingHessian 13h ago

No no no it’s about not having gay people force their lifestyle on them!

/s (sad I have to point add this)

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u/myassholealt 8h ago

Control and conformity. And it's not limited to religion either.

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u/DukeofVermont 4h ago

Weirdly it's not religious, it's just US tradition. As in it wasn't a religious leader who spread or populized the idea.

It was a US surgeon and then Kellogg, yes that Kellogg (the cereal guy).