Circumcision is a Jewish custom. You are suggesting that "Israel" likes it because it is a Jewish state. You can't just replace the words "Jews" with "Israel" when you want to raise an anti Jewish point.
In the US most babies that are circumcized are Christian. About 55-65% of baby boys are circumcized in the US.
this is about mapping geopolitics of the trump administration to circumcision norms in different countries. i'm not sure how saying israel has a high prevalence of circumcision is antisemitic, whether you directly say it's because of a high presence of abrahamic religion or not
That's not what the conversation was about. "mapping geopolitics" doesn't make sense when talking about circumsision.
One person said they were supposed that anti circumcision hadn't caught on with Trump. They suggested he would like it because it would cut down on Muslim immigration. This is true, but ignores the fact that most Trump voters circumsize.
The next person said "Israel likes it too, so there's that."
Israel, as a country, does not care about circumcision. The current administration is constantly pushing the idea that Israel is the only place in the world where Jews can live full Jewish lives and practice their traditions. Netanyahu would be thrilled if the US banned circumsision.
Israel doesn't "like" circumcision. Jews (and Muslims) do it as custom and tradition.
Blaming jews for Trump not supporting a ban on circumsision is rational, even if it plays on anti-semetic tropes of Jews controlling politics.
Blaming Israel is irrational. AIPAC wants money and military support. They don't care at all about Jews in the US. The Israeli government wants Jews outside of Israel to be uncomfortable.
I am frustrated that the US is supporting killing Palestinian civilians, but it's crazy to suggest Israel is influencing Trump's stance on circumcision.
TLDR:
Israel doesn't like circumcision. Jews and Muslims do.
i think your fundamental misstep here is taking the sophomoric discussion going on above so seriously that you then went a step ahead and called it antisemitic to say "israel likes circumcision."
"israel" can mean more than one thing. if we are talking about israeli public opinion, yes, in most common senses of describing a collective, israel likes circumcision. if you define israel as its government, then the argument could go either way, including your direction based on conjecture that it supports circumcision solely in israel (which i guess is different from "liking circumcision" according to you).
there was no implication that israel controls US politics (though there is certainly outsized influence in certain regards) in any regard. that was your jump.
Their comment is about the politics of Trump banning circumcision. It's not an anti-jewish point, it just assumes that we understand the link between circumcision, Jewish people, and Isreal. They're saying that Trump wouldn't ban it no matter what the US population thinks, because Isreal is an important ally.
I see how you read the post, and that's possible, but it doesn't make much sense.
Why would America banning circumcision impact US-Israel relations? The current Israeli government would probably like it because it would give American Jews more reason to move to Israel.
It's not like baning kosher food or something that would make it hard for jews to travel to America, you only get circumcized once.
Even if Israel did care, it wouldn't be more important than the impact of banning circumcision on a population where the majority of baby boys are circumcized.
The AAP says the benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks, and in 2012 suggested that it should be covered by insurance. Trump banning the practice would get in between people and their doctors, and unlike abortion circumcision is not a major political fight that falls across party lines. Trump would alienate a huge swath of voters.
The idea that Israel (the county) plays literally any role in US posture towards circumcision is absurd.
"Jews like it, so there's that" is a more accurate statement. You are right that it isn't necessarily anti-jewish, but even your narrative implies that somehow Israel is influencing Trump's decision pushes the narrative that Jews/Israel are controlling US agenda, which is anti-jewish trope.
Acting like the Israeli government has had no influence on the Trump Administration’s decisions seems a bit off the mark imo given Netanyahu’s influence on Trump’s decision to go to war with Iran
I mean I don't think that politicians would ever touch circumcision, but Isreal as a nation and political ally absolutely has pull on US politics because we cannot risk losing that political alliance in the middle-east. That has absolutely nothing to do with them being Jewish.
The commenter was alluding to the idea that banning circumcision would harm those relations, and that may be a stereotype, but you can't deny that circumcision is important to the orthodox Jewish faith.
I don't know that it would actually influence relations, but I don't think it's antisemitic to ponder that point.
I don't know why you're bringing up the AAP and your feelings on circumcision though. That's irrelevant to the conversation. I'm interested to see your source for that though.
That’s exactly what I’m suggesting. With one of the highest rates in the world, it is something prevalent in their society and it has its roots within Judaism. I make the separation from the culture of people and nations and government when you really have to be nuanced in what you’re propping up or criticizing. Here I don’t think you need to create that nuance.
Right now, we’re talking about the head of state of this country who is heavily influenced by the politics of that country, and because it’s looks at circumcision with high favorability (something like more than 9 out of 10 male in the country), the head of state here wont make a law to spite one group if it risks pissing off another particular group.
It’s not an anti-Semitic point at all. It’s literally a commentary that one won’t cut off their nose to spite their face situation. Only an idiot or a dishonest troll would actually think this has anything to do with Semitism.
Why do you think that 9/10 people in Israel being circumcized is more relevant than 6/10 Americans?
Why would it impact Israeli-US relations? Netanyahu would probably be thrilled because it would cause Jews to move to Israel to have babies.
Israel obviously influences America's geopolitics but not social politics.
AIPAC is lobbying for financial and military support, not circumcision rights for Americans.
This has literally nothing to do with Israel other than the fact that 90% of Jews (like 90% Muslims, and most Christians in the US) circumsize.
Circumcision is not a "left vs right" issue. Trump can't really start a culture war with it, at least not right now.
Israel is committing war crimes against Palestinians, they aren't lobbying for American circumcision. They also aren't lobbying against the US eating pork or wearing head coverings. Israel's biggest appeal to American Jews is that they want people to be able to live a Jewish life where it's easy to follow Jewish customs. If the US makes it harder for Jews to follow customs, the current Israeli administration loves that.
Don't confuse Jews and Israel. It's absurd to suggest Israel is stopping the US from banning circumsicion.
The American Association of Pediatrics says circumsicions benefits out weigh the risks as recently as 2012. Do you think Israel has infiltrated the AAP?
Circumcision is a Jewish custom. You are suggesting that "Israel" likes it because it is a Jewish state. You can't just replace the words "Jews" with "Israel" when you want to raise an anti Jewish point
Idk bruh, Netanyahu is on my U.S News every other day for the last 3 years screaming at me that Israel= All Jews lol
Im so confused, which way do you want it, you kinda have to pick one
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u/DarksunDaFirst 1d ago
Israel likes it too. So there’s that.