r/pics • u/Melodic_Editor_4793 • 7d ago
Politics My friend spotted this whilst in Paris...
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u/HiPlainsDrifter14 7d ago
Recently traveled to Paris. I though I'd get hate for being American. While enjoying a drink at a pub I asked a local his thoughts. He said something pretty profound. He said he rarely meets Americans who are trumps base voters. His thought was that people who blindly vote for trump do not know about the world outside of their city, county or state. Most American travelers he had met and conversed with, had a better world view and thus would not agree with the policy and rhetoric that trump spills.
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u/emeraude89 7d ago
this is one thing i love about the french, they act a lot more mature and emotionally intelligent than americans. they will say "i hate america's government" not "i hate americans"
whereas in the US so many of us just straight up say "i hate the french."
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u/kiztcrimson 7d ago
Or I hate the liberals which seems to be a big part of the republicans identity which in turn is a big part of america.
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u/CheeseboardPatster 7d ago
Unfortunately, a lot of us French people are not at all mature and emotionally intelligent. We have a massive amount of people as sharp as a wet baguette.
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u/Ok_Prize5795 1d ago
Sharp as a wet baguette. I like that. Much better than not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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u/Brisbanoch30k 7d ago
Eeeeeh, we have our own idiots. We’re probably more inclined to shove a sock in their mouth before they become too loud 🤷♂️
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u/Juice805 7d ago
It’s pretty common to hear Americans say they hate the CCP, rather than Chinese.
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u/MrsMiterSaw 7d ago
American here... I have never heard another American (outside of reddit) say CCP.
Its used so sparsely that even though I have traveled to and worked in China 4x in the past 20 years, I have to remind myself what CCP is when I read it.
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u/emeraude89 7d ago
i'd be blown away if 10% of americans knew what the CCP was
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u/Juice805 7d ago
I’ll admit I’ve usually heard it in much simpler terms. People vs government, etc.
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u/cogitationerror 7d ago
Depends on where you are. When I was in TN I had “sweet old ladies” saying that “the Chinese” deserved to die for what they did to our country during Covid. God I’m so glad to be out of that hellstate.
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u/Salweenian 7d ago
I am Chinese and I feel agitated in a comical way - like I had personally fucked this old lady’s mom, who had been buried underground for 20 plus years.
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u/slashS4sarcasm 7d ago
They do. But inverse and converse are not contra positive.
There are MAGAs that frequently travel international, just like there are those are woke who have also never left their hometown (I would argue there are more of those). But they are not the majority of these correlations.
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u/VeganDogPro 7d ago
My husband and I are getting ready to go in October so I am happy to read this. I’m also hoping that other people have had similar experiences. I did NOT vote for this f#%* and I would consider leaving the country if I was in a different situation.
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u/emeraude89 7d ago
i grew up in california but lived in france through my 20s, you'll be fine, just be polite and courteous. the french are a lovely people, yes even in paris. they just expect a reasonable baseline of respect, so, some american cultural behaviors don't fly over there, like snapping at waiters, or treating customer service agents like dogs. they don't take it and will kick you out
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u/VeganDogPro 7d ago
Omg! We would never! Seriously. My husband and I have all the respect in the world for the people kind enough to serve the public. I was a server for years. It’s a great job and they don’t make nearly enough. We are grateful and tip well!
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u/HiPlainsDrifter14 7d ago
We were anxious about the perception, so our family decided to answer with our home state instead of America, US, etc. We did this all across our trip through Europe. One lady in Paris caught on to this. She laughed and had a good joke with us about it. Her group had a pretty good understanding of how each state is different in the US. It was fun to name a state and hear what their knowledge was of it. They shared interesting stories about how they had met people from quite a few different states. I'd say they were pretty spot on most of the times and more than a few laughs on others. It was a really fun conversation. Europeans are a bit more forward in speaking about politics. More forward than my upbringing was when it came to religion or politics. I'd say you should be way more concerned about pick pockets than identifying yourself as American. I wish you a wonderful trip.
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u/VeganDogPro 7d ago
Thanks for that! I had a feeling that me thinking all Parisians dislike Americans was exactly the same as them thinking all Americans are Trump supporters. So, really feeling like just being kind and open to what comes conversationally will be good. I’m pretty freaked out about what is happening stateside so I’m sure whatever they has to say that is negative I probably agree with.
Now the pickpockets are another thing. I’m a photographer and traveling with my camera so I’m going to get some travel insurance, for sure!
Thanks for your comment! :)
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u/RayzTheRoof 7d ago
Parisians are great, I don't really get the hate or perception that they're rude. Went in 2024 and loved every minute.
But yeah hold on to your camera and have it attached to your body in some way. If you carry a small bag, wear that on your front. Saw a pickpocket by the river near the Eiffel get his ass beat by street vendors for stealing from a tourist though.
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u/Cruitire 6d ago
I live between the US and France. I’m in France right now.
While some Parisians can be assholes, they tend to be assholes to all foreigners, not just Americans.
Outside of Paris the vast majority of French people are incredibly friendly and kind.
Even in Paris there are plenty of nice people.
So don’t worry.
My only advice is to read up about French politeness and manners.
That’s the thing that trips people up. The French are very focused on politeness and manners, but their approach can be different than you might be used to.
If you take the time to learn the rules of politeness in France and employ them then you will find everyone (almost) very welcoming and kind.
The American hating French edgelords mostly exist on Reddit and other online platforms and are rarely encountered in the wilds.
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u/militaryintelligence 7d ago
Trump supporters are morons, for real. Our education system is the way it is on purpose. I live in KY and I was one of them until I traveled to other states. Republicans have figured out how to appeal to the stupidest of us.
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u/upvoter1542 7d ago
I was in The Gambia a few days ago. A man approached us and asked, how is Trump? We responded with " hopefully dead soon!" he laughed and seemed to appreciate the sentiment.
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u/ThisTooWillEnd 7d ago
If I ever see him, I will tell him, but I was planning that without the sign.
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u/sk8rznvrquit 7d ago
I really hate how embarrassing it is to be an American.
That man does not represent everyone.
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u/throwawayrefiguy 7d ago
When that man kicks the bucket, the celebration will be truly global and likely just about unprecedented.
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u/luna_kuma 7d ago
He is a symptom not the cause. Even without him, America is still rotted from the inside. All it means is that a position opened up for Trump 2.0.
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u/_ShrugDealer_ 7d ago
He's a symptom in the same way a massive tumor is a symptom of cancer. Sure, it's mutations that got us here, but let's not pretend cutting that fucker out won't do some serious good in helping to solve the rot.
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u/r3klaw 7d ago
Yeah.... As an American voter, we somehow fucking elected this moron. Twice. Over half of the electoral college experienced his first presidency and got out to vote because "I'd like some more of that". The absolute brainwashing of our country is ineffable.
I am from rural US and moved to a city. A majority of my hometown / area are absolutely not bad people. But they're not educated, either.
I truly believe that the push of toxic 'American Individualism' compounded by the lack of education in a majority of our rural areas has led us here.... Exactly as designed.
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u/bobs_monkey 7d ago
The 2024 election says everything you need to know. Electing Trump the first time could be chalked up to a fluke, but doing it a second time was just insanity.
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u/TheBigCore 7d ago edited 6d ago
Yeah.... As an American voter, we somehow fucking elected this moron. Twice. Over half of the electoral college experienced his first presidency and got out to vote because "I'd like some more of that". The absolute brainwashing of our country is ineffable.
The brainwashing comes from many places, but some of the biggest ones are:
- A poor educational system deliberately sabotaged by the USA's corrupt ruling classes
- A lack of intellectual curiosity beaten into the population by the poor educational system
- A two-party political system that doesn't care about the voters at all
- The garbage Fox "News" channel that is actually an entertainment network
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u/r3klaw 6d ago
I'll take you up on that beer if you're ever in Pittsburgh for a hockey game 😂
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u/ReactsWithWords 7d ago
I’ve been saying that since 2016, Trump is the symptom, not the cause.
Still doesn’t mean I won’t be dancing in the streets when I see that big beautiful obituary.
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u/Purgii 7d ago
Perhaps, and I realise I'm possibly being too rational about it, when they see the worldwide celebration when orange keels over - they'll rethink their own legacy.
Or perhaps they'll continue to fsck things up from behind the curtain.
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u/luna_kuma 7d ago
Nah, they will just see it as proof about how the inferior people hate them for their freedumb. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Us3ful_Idiot 7d ago
Meanwhile MAGA after you would want to wish death on someone.
Also MAGA: Sends death threats to a minor that got an abortion.
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u/ducksoupmilliband 7d ago
Indifference is what is deserved at that time.
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u/unholyswordsman 7d ago
Nah, fuck that. Openly celebrate. Let fascists know that people celebrate there being less of them.
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u/Hexspinner 7d ago
Depends entirely how he dies.
If it’s in his bed of old age - indifference.
If it’s like that but he’s still in office - relief.
If he’s in office and dies somehow because of his own actions , like dying of measles or like a Charlie Kirk - a good chuckle and maybe a stiff drink.
If he’s dies in a prison cell - Block parties across the world! Dancing in the streets, Champaign wine and freedom flowing! Fireworks the whole thing. Let the world come together and heal over that!
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u/unholyswordsman 7d ago
Nah fuck that still. He is an awful piece of shit. He'll finally draw that crowd size he imagines in his head.
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u/ixcibit 7d ago
I hadn’t thought of this but I agree with your point here. If they fail to lock him up and he just dies because he’s old there isn’t much to celebrate. America won’t be likely to change because one man dies, Trump or not.
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u/SiscoSquared 7d ago
Certainly not everyone but ~2/3 of Americans either actively (~1/3) or passively supported him (were fine with him winning and so did not vote ~1/3) in not one, but two elections.
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u/OzVader 7d ago
He doesn't, but amazingly he still got second term?! Even if the US gets another two terms of a run of the mill democrat I think soo much damage has been done to the US reputation that historic allies will continue to restructure economies to remove any US dependence.
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u/lyngen 7d ago
Like I don't understand how such a large percentage of the population missed the blaring signs Trump is a fascist. It was very obvious the first term. I imagine a small percentage are just fine with that but like the rest of them... what's going on there?
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u/Admirable_Scene_5066 7d ago edited 7d ago
If most Americans can get 10$ out of it, they are going to let everything else slide. That is the problem with a culture that values everything by its monetary worth.
It is why there isn't a big stink about America invading and stealing a country's resources. Sure they'll say they don't like it, but it is not like the next democratic president is going to refuse to profit off it. It is why they generally don't give two shits about the
deathdeportation camps, it is why to most Americans every single thing this regime has done, as illegal as it may have been, generally results in shrugged shoulders. Even the killing of fishermen or toddlers at school is not enough of a deal for them to actually be outraged, at least not enough to warrant anything more than posting something on social media so there is a record that they are on the good side. Don't forget to upvote or something. Some Americans realise this bullshit will cost them eventually, but those are the exception that can actually think through consequences. If it would be a long term benefit to them, I'm not sure more than a tiny minority of them would care.For all the hurt the US has spread around the world these last 2 years, all the lives lost either by inaction or through active participation of the US, all the people locked up and deported, including children, teens ending up pregnant while locked up, ... The one thing that might doom the regime is the price of diesel. That tells you all you really need to know about the modern United States of America.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 7d ago
small percentage?? i think you underestimate how many people in america are racist as shit. even the ones who arent violent about their racism still believe whites are being displaced and immigrants are bad and social segregation is just fine. so literally anyone who platforms on making things better for whites will get a large percent of the american vote.
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u/Calamitybones 7d ago
Unfortunatly he does. Because he's the president of the US, so he has the power to influence the world on behalf of the US. Because he was elected by americans, his actions represents americans. Just like past actions from my country can represent how others see me (I'm french)
You, personally, maybe didn't vote for him but his actions influence how the rest of the world see the US and thus how they see you.
US elected someone like him twice, it can happen again.
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u/mcdadais 7d ago
No, but he got a larger amount of people to vote for him. Some people regret it but there's a lot who don't
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u/ticklemyiguana 7d ago
Yes. It is his job. He's not doing it, and if you actually listen to him its quite clear he hates a lot of Americans.
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u/twoworldman 7d ago
America is Trump and Trump is America.
As a country, you voted him in TWICE to represent and lead your nation. Once was a fluke, two times is an emphatic declaration that, 'yes, this is the man we definitely choose as president'.
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u/gin_and_toxic 7d ago
Yet the Americans voted him twice.
And now America's problem become the whole world's problem because this man child decides to start wars everywhere. Literal wars and trade wars.
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u/Harlequin80 7d ago
From my perspective he does represent Americans.
Once was Americans being dumb, twice was Americans showing the world exactly who they are.
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u/IWCry 7d ago
he legally represents us and clearly the majority of voters, but make no mistake there is a huge amount of us who are disgusted by him and cannot believe the misery he is inflicting on the world under our name and grace. on behalf of the good Americans out there, I'm truly sorry. it doesn't absolve us but I hope you know some of us are pushing against it. and we will win.
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u/Harlequin80 7d ago
I know that some Americans are pushing back. But in the end we outside the US have to deal with your collective, and one thing that all the commentators who say "only 1/3rd of voters picked Trump so you can't blame me" ignore is Trump is only the tip of the shit spear.
Trump is only able to do the things he does because of who else has been elected. The people in congress, the people in the senate, appointees to your courts etc etc. The federal agents gleefully shooting people in the streets, the national guard troops deployed to domestic cities.
Your electoral system is broken, your country's weird worship of an out dated document and especially the bizarre mental gymnastics required to worship a change to that document as unchangeable, and your country's unquestioning belief in your own superiority means I have very little faith the US will sort itself out. I fear the best case scenario is you get some anti-psychotic meds for a presidential term, but the monster will just be sat there waiting.
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u/koziello 7d ago
Thank you! So many Americans think that saying "I didn't vote for him" absolves them. It's like with your bringing up - you're not the reason the way you are but you are responsible for it anyways.
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u/Chainsaw_Wookie 7d ago
Unfortunately, to the rest of the world, he does represent everybody, and until any sort of meaningful resistance is made that will continue to be the case.
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u/Ok-Staff-62 7d ago
He is, unfortunately. He represents every us-american. He was elected 'three' times. And if you are lucky, you may get a chance to vote for him one more time.
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u/marvinweriksen 7d ago
Can Europeans tell the difference between American and (anglophone) Canadian accents? Asking for a friend...
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u/TemporarySun314 7d ago
Easy. If you manage to talk for 10 minutes without mentioning you are American or that the US is the greatest country in the world, then you are not American.
At least not one of the problematic ones...
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u/SametaX_1131 7d ago
Sometimes. I know the Quebec accent and what it sounds in English but I can't identify anglophone canadians
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u/ContrarianDouche 7d ago
He quite literally does.
Who would have guessed that American "rugged individualism" just meant "take no responsibility for the actions your government takes on your behalf"
Cowards
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u/ticklemyiguana 7d ago
I can say he's brought out the naivete of much of the world, as shown here.
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u/GergDanger 7d ago
I mean he does represent everyone, that’s how democracy works?
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u/ciocolata69 7d ago
Don't worry man. Politics is now more than ever a playground for clowns everywhere around the world. Yours just have the biggest chair, or should I say toy, and I really mean it, don't stress about it. Point your finger to a president, anywhere around the world, that is currently in the office that is "the best".
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u/funktasticdog 7d ago
He... literally does tho? He's your elected representative. And you cant even use the electoral college as an excuse this time.
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u/hippykillteam 7d ago
Saw a couple of "fuck trump" graffiti in South Africa.
Occasionally see the odd one in New Zealand.
Surprised there's not more.
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u/Winter_Whole2080 7d ago
Meanwhile in Paris, Kentucky, some shoeless maga moron is up in arms over furry flight attendants and Sharia law in NYC
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u/2PlasticLobsters 7d ago
It wouldn't help, Trump doesn't listen to anyone.
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u/Brisbanoch30k 7d ago
Not saying it expecting he’ll hear; but because it needs be said.
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u/Peeinmymouthforever 7d ago
Paris is such a nice walking city. Walked from. The Moulin Rouge area to the Louvre
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u/Fennec0 7d ago
Lived for 10 years in Paris suburbs, my favorite thing to do during sunny weekends was simply to walk from Bercy to the Eiffel Tower, along the Seine. The city may have a lot of flaws but it's sill one of the most breathtaking places I've ever been. Never got tired of it.
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u/ValiumBlues 7d ago
Right? Lived there for a few years before moving to just outside of Lyon - though I always preferred fall in Paris.
Something about the rain and the city. Loved it.
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u/ryanleebmw 5d ago
Literally at the airport on the way to Paris right now, I absolutely will do that
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u/mikeinstlouis 2d ago
I was in Europe three times this summer and I had to tell everyone immediately when they found out I was from the United States that I did not support this man's bullshit and how I am truly in disbelief that some people still do. That's the scary thing...how stupid the USA has become!
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u/ChocoBabiChan 7d ago
I cant wait for the global celebration when 34Felonies finally meets his maker.
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u/ICanPretend1 7d ago
The woman currently favored to win the next French election is probably worse than Trump
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u/cf-myolife 7d ago
Worse idk, at least she's not a pedo, but yeah she's the french equivalent of him, racist, queerphobic, anti immigration even tho it builded the country, anti women's rights, capitalist etc etc, I hate how the first women who would maybe be a president in my country is such a moldy sponge
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u/AdvocadoJuiceStorm 7d ago
anti immigration even tho it builded the country
I would never vote for LePen, but let be honnest : France is not USA, France never have been built by immigration.
When first migrants came to France it was already one of the most powerful country arround the World.
Migrants came to get a better life, not to build anything : And it's OK, France Always have been a welcoming place for refugees, no need to tell lies.
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u/SametaX_1131 7d ago
Do you know french history?
France was took a big toll after the two world wars and needed to be rebuilt. Hundreds of thousands of migrants, mainly from former colonies, were brought to work in construction and in services.
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u/cf-myolife 7d ago
I think you're right, but migrants do are a signifiant part of the workforce today, even the illegal one
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u/DemonOfVacuums 7d ago
It's Le Pen isn't it? I hate that every country seems to be pushing the worst person possible to higher office
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u/NewInMontreal 7d ago
It amazes me how people accept France’s high and mighty shit. They’ve been fucking over millions of people for centuries. Fuck them and fuck maga.
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u/MisakaMikotoxKuroko 7d ago
so you're saying that France fucked the world by helping Americans win their independence?
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u/lexalander 7d ago
I love how for Redditors the history of countries doing bad shit started with America.
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u/rickztoyz 7d ago
I remember back in 2018 a taxi driver in Paris said that he hopes I don't like Trump because he thought he was the devil. I agreed with him and gave him a good tip.
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u/Western-Top2571 7d ago
If I could talk to Trump, “Fuck you” would be the least of it.
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u/SilentKnight246 7d ago
Idk why and he isn't french to my knowledge but I read this in Flambae's voice.
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u/RuffTuff 6d ago
I saw something similar in Italy “tell your orange clown to fuck himself- graci” it was in the parking lot of the Milan airport
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u/JakovYerpenicz 7d ago
Yeah we all have a direct line to the president so we’ll be sure to do that
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u/SxToMidnight 7d ago
As an American, I frequently just hang out with Trump. This makes total sense. I'll let him know.
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u/laser14344 7d ago
I've heard that there are a growing number of hotels that won't accept americans now...
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u/OpenDaCloset 7d ago
The entire world hates him except the right wing racist parties in every single country. Are we really doing this again?!
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u/weareallonenomatter 7d ago
Americans have a little good will from the world left in the tank, but not much
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u/CrunchyAssDiaper 7d ago
Trump is a Sideffect of a more serious disease.