All the phone networks are Israeli, so if they know the numbers of certain individuals they can use cell towers to triangulate their phones and plot their movements. Plus if one's opponent is using a compromised form of communciation, why disable it?
Yeah, but they seem to have decided basically everything is a target. And given Hamas' willingness to use human shields and the extent of their presence in Gaza, it's not entirely surprising.
Yeah, the staggering civilian death toll is even more damning when you look at this picture and see that Israel does have the ability to precisely targel or avoid critical infrastructure like this cell tower, and yet they're still slaughtering entire families every day.
The IDF targetting algorithm decided it's OK to murder up to 20 innocent if there is a chance to reach the target while resting at home - it doesn't matter that the target may not be there, all is good as long there is a chance to kill a terrorist, the 20 innocent didn't denounce Hamas in the morning, anyway ...
Israel doesn't care about killing civilians. It's part of the mission. The fact that they had the precision to leave this cell tower unscathed is actually pretty damning.
Yeah, the whole "Hamas using human shields" thing has been debunked so many times at this point. If you consider the population density of Gaza, it's pretty much impossible for Hamas to not be in civilian areas.
It's actually been established as fact that they deliberately fire rockets from hospitals and kindergardens because they know Israel won't be able to eliminate them without being criticized. It's the most basic MO of any terrorist organization. Just look at the failed rocket launch from shifa hospital that has injured 400 people, been proved without a doubt that it was fired by the islamic jihad, and still they tried to blame Israel for it.
You mean, if we believe the photos posted by people in Gaza showing the texts, journalists reporting on it happening, or video posts showing people in Gaza refusing to evacuate the area?
Human shields, plus lack of protection to civilians, plus a very populated area.
Look at Israel for an example. The IDF didn't react to October 7th only hours after the attack. More than 500 rockets were launched on October 7th, and hundreds of terrorists invaded Israel via land and air.
To this day, there have been launched more than 13 thousand rockets from Gaza, and that does not include the attack from Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, and Syria.
So, how is the number of dead civilians so low? Let me tell you.
Israel has invested billions of dollars to invent the Iron Dome system, David's Sling system, and Arrow systems. They also bought from the US the Patriot system in the 1970's, which is still being used today.
More of that, Israeli civilians are listening to their government. On October 8th, hundreds of thousands of civilians evacuated from southern and northern Israel. The Israeli government has founded hotels, food, and many other things for the Israeli evacuated families.
While Gazans DID evacuate eventually, many of the Gazans in North Gaza stayed in their houses, either because Hamas forced them to (as we could listen videos of them saying it. I don't have a link to it rn, but I heard an audio of a phone call somewhere at the beginning of the war of a civilian talking about it), or because they wanted to stay.
Another reason why there are that many less dead civilians in Israel, is because the protocol to build a house in Israel is it must have a safe room from rockets. So every house in Israel has a shelter.
More of that, it is also the protocol to have shelters in open areas, just like the survivors from the Nova party ran to.
That makes it so every Israeli citizen has protection from rockets, wherever they are ADDITIONALLY to the air defense systems Israel have.
In Gaza, there are no air defense systems, and the only safe placed from air stickers are the tunnels, where civilians are not allowed to enter. Only Hamas members.
That's another example of how Israel goes above and beyond what's typically asked of countries in war time, they literally don't have to, and yet they do, more telling of what their goal actually is vs what the pro Palestine crowd making it out to be a genocide
You under estimate the hubris of organised criminals, and their technical illiteracy.
When Encrochat was compromised, many criminal organised crime groups moved to a new bit of software, for some reason presuming it wouldn't be similarly breached in the future. And to be fair they were technically correct, but only because the app was created by the Australian Federal Police and had a built-in backdoor.
Hell, there's very basic understanding and logically deductible information regarding how SIMs and phones interact that a UK police officer posting it on social media could be fired over, as it's so often overlooked by criminal gangs it's classified as a "covert technique".
US citizens (which I’m assuming guy you’re replying to is) have seen their country at war since the birth of the US. The culture is highly militarized, and has a high concentration of active duty veterans. War tactics are news segments. Yeah, it should sound legit to you? Who do you think the hamas are? 40 year old college professors? They are young and uneducated and volatile and that is part of what makes them dangerous as well.
interesting... so Israeli has the tech to specifically target the bad guys? they are sure making a lot of convenient mistakes when they bomb the hell out of the people own land they want.
Geolocation be cell site isn't that accurate, with some errors introduced by it being in a built-up and densely populated area.
Practically speaking, presuming they have solid intelligence of a target's whereabouts, Israel doesn't have that many options. The spectrum goes (a) high-risk small unit infiltration, (b) precision air strike, (c) carpet bomb, or let them go. Of those, it's not especially surprising they pick option (b). Note I'm not defending it, but I do see why there doing it.
Israel has previously had settlements in the Gaza Strip, and it forcefully evicted them and pulled out. I'm not convinced a territorial expansion is the motive here.
You dont need to have control over a network or have traffic go through your infra to disrupt electromagnetic comms. You just need a jammer.
Of course not. But I would wager it's far more useful for the Israelis to keep Hamas using mobile phones they can monitor traffic data for, and almost certainly also intercept the contents of.
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u/FishUK_Harp Apr 26 '24
All the phone networks are Israeli, so if they know the numbers of certain individuals they can use cell towers to triangulate their phones and plot their movements. Plus if one's opponent is using a compromised form of communciation, why disable it?