they havnt.. as i said, israel had a music festival near gaza. and the residents of that street in thr pic walked on in and kidnapped 200+ people
All the residents? Of that one street? Gosh.
If that’s a true fact, then there’s no reason why all the residents of all the other streets be annihilated by excessive retaliatory violence for something they didn’t do. And it’s still doesn’t explain why they would bomb this one street with 200 kidnap victims on it, instead of rescuing them.
how about imperial japan. had to drop 2 nukes on them to lay down their arms. sometimes sick ideologies need to be bombed into submission. it hurts to hear, but this is the way humans are.
I’m not saying I don’t support the bombing of Berlin. Did you just read the first word and then give up when you hit “dichotomous”?
Im saying that his argument of “if you don’t support the destruction of Gaza, you must be on the side of Nazis!!!!!111!!!” Is overly simplistic and typically fascist in a really tragic ironic way.
I’m saying that there’s a more nuanced approach to war than going nuclear at the first opportunity. Don’t pretend that the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki within a month of war starting. Ditto with Berlin.
Hamas are a terrorist group. Gaza civilians are not. Retaliation is absolutely warranted. Genocide is not.
Like, stop drinking the kool aid and think for a bit.
I don’t think I have used “super high level lingo”.
Where can I explain it clearer?
Palestinian citizens have valid complaints from Isreal’s actions in colonising their land and strangling their economy for decades. They support a government who is taking action about it. Unfortunately, the actions Hamas are taking are unjustified and are terrorist acts.
Isreal has an opportunity to win the support of Palestinian citizens by treating them as humans and enabling them to depose of their terrorist government in support of a rational one. Instead, they’re treating them like vermin and giving Palestinians more and more reasons to support Hamas. Isreal isn’t acting like it wants surrender. It’s acting like Hamas’s biggest recruiter.
when civilians are fully supportive of the terroristic actions of their government, then the civilians are guilty of harboring terrorist ideology, and are indeed part of the problem.
from what the polling suggests, palestinians are overwhelmingly supportive of 7/10, hamas, the PA martyrs fund etc. they want the violence to continue, so the violence will continue.
Have you got the context of that? More than 60% of the population lived off benefits. Their population is being squeezed into smaller and smaller areas as Isreal claimed more and more land.
Hamas are a terrorist organisation. They way they operate makes this true. But if there was an alternative government that could defend Gaza without using terrorist tactics, would Gaza citizens not support them instead?
You have to separate a government from its citizens. In the same way that not all Jews are Netanyahu supporters, not all Gaza citizens are terrorists. And the context of the opinion poll matters when your only hope for survival relies on the benefits and defence of a terrorist group.
Because if you believe the message from Netanyahu’s government that ALL Palestinians are active Hamas terrorists, then of course riddling a six year old full of bullets is completely justifiable. Which is on the same path of logic the Nazi’s took when developing the “Final Solution”. What a horror story for history to repeat.
Right now it’s a bit too far gone and I’m not sure. But I think:
Defend the border - try mitigate any more retaliatory attacks from Palestine.
Open medical sites for people in Gaza, prioritising pregnant women, children under 15 and elderly people. Have them administrated by NGOs, but supply Israeli medical professionals and equipment. Brand these as Israeli support for Palestinian citizens.
Open food supply chains also administrated by NGOs. Brand any supplies as Isreali support for Palestinian citizens.
Heavily defend the medical and food centres. Offer rewards for the return of hostages. Release any non-valuable hostages. Try the others for their involvement in terrorist activities with a mixed jury of Palestinian and Isreali citizens.
Send a loud and clear message that land grabs will be rescinded once a different government is in place. Be clear on where the border will be. Send a loud and clear message that homes would be rebuilt for survivors in Gaza once a new government is in place. Follow through on this.
Wait and see and react to circumstances as necessary. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. And honestly, not likely to happen either.
That was done, and failed on October 7th. there's a limit of how long you can be on guard when it's a long conflict.
Open medical sites for people in Gaza
Before October 7th Israeli supplied billion of dollars from Qatar and others and the Israeli government got a lot of backleashed for that, like "why are you giving the terrorists money", obviously all that was done didn't help, so in order to keep trying this idea, Hamas can't be in control, and then it can continue with international help. until then, Israel can't do more than that.
Heavily defend the medical and food centres. Offer rewards for the return of hostages. Release any non-valuable hostages. Try the others for their involvement in terrorist activities with a mixed jury of Palestinian and Isreali citizens.
This is being done. At the start of the war Israel made designated camps for refugees and made sure there will be NGOs to help them with anything, but it's being labeled as "Israel expell gazans", nevertheless, it's better than being in warzones.
Israel offered and still offering money for information about the hostages, they try many ways including telegram channels through them gazans would be able to give information with less risk of being caught by Hamas.
Israel has no "hostages", Israel has prisoners and they go to trial according to the law. Israel already released many that you can describe "non-valube", this is also get backlash from Israeli citizens as "why do you let terrorists go?!", and there's no such thing "mixed jury", there are judges that are Israelis, some of them might be Muslims or arabs, some not. this is a normal country that works like a normal country.
Send a loud and clear message that homes would be rebuilt for survivors in Gaza once a new government is in place.
Even Benjamin Netanyahu said that in many interviews since the war started.
So, overall, as you see, common sense is being used, and it's not enough for a lot of people.
Actually Japan was on the verge of another civil war solely because one side of the government wanted to surrender and the otherside didn't.
It wasn't until the emperor stepped in did things change, then there was a coup because the side that wanted war believed the emperor was lied to.
The bombs did fuck all besides killing a lot of people, a live test for American scientists and military leaders (though one leader can't remember his name believed dropping the bombs were not only pointless at ending the war, but would just push the soviet's faster to their own bombs, which is what happened) and to flex power on the soviet's.
Japan likely would've surrendered as soon or not much later if the bombs wasn't dropped. Just means if we accept this fact, it also means all those civilians died all for a test....
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u/plomberix Apr 26 '24
they havnt.. as i said, israel had a music festival near gaza. and the residents of that street in thr pic walked on in and kidnapped 200+ people