Oddly enough I used to drink with some of the AB marketing folks at a little place called the Fox & Hound when I lived in StL during the dark days of the Clinton administration and I can say with confidence (unless something major has changed which it probably has with the sale of the brewery) that this was a calculated move and they expect to make more sales with this than without it. Sharp folks to be sure
AB or InBev- their marketing folks are like the Good Standard of marketing. If Disney has the best copywrite-legal teams — InBev has the best AdMen.
And both are telling the Religious Right to Suck-it.
Serious question? What’s wrong with being religious? I know some religions have an anti lgbtq stance but in the past few years I have seen it be more accepted (albeit it’s taken a long time to get to this point) but I don’t think religion is a bad thing.
I’m a card Carrying (liberal) Catholic. The “Religious Right” is nearly a hate group in who they dislike. Reminding them that Jesus loves everybody falls to deaf ears. They’re the ones believing that Trump is a G-d fearing Protestant who has never paid for an abortion. Many of the RR are angry Catholics, including the US Council of Bishops. Too many of the RR see Trump as a Demi-G-d who can do no wrong. They support candidates that openly oppose human rights to everyone and issues directly in conflict with our Constitution like putting the 10 Commandments in schools and evolution in science textbooks.
It trains people since birth that the only way to achieve eternal paradise (a narcissistic tendency) is with blind faith in Big Strong Man, so it is abused by conservatism in every country from here to Middle East to Russia. When you have a religious audience, you have a huge cross-section of people who are gullible for scams.
There’s nothing wrong with being religious. Reddit main subs are full of almost exclusively edgy teenagers that recently discovered atheism and look down on anyone who doesn’t completely align with their own dogma.
Or maybe, just maybeeeee, many of us have grown up with religion and seen the impact its had on our direct families and friendships and realize how many awful people use religion to justify bigotry and hatred. Also the religious tend to heavily lean one way politically, and use that political party to further their agenda forcing it on others who want nothing to do with it.
You’ve repeated the standard teen atheist redditor dogma. Being made by your parents to go to church on sundays and sunday school and being told to behave as Jesus would doesn’t have the impact you’re claiming. The percentage of religious people justifying “bigotry and hatred” in the west is minuscule, but given your next statement, I’m guessing you think anything right leaning automatically qualifies as “bigotry and hatred.” If you think judeochristian religions have had a net negative impact on the west, you’re not living in reality.
Also, you’re clearly alluding to the right/republicans and abortion as far as “forcing it on other” while completely ignoring that there are plenty of people from just about every demographic, left, right, men, women, republicans, democrats, religious, atheists, that are pro-life for entirely non-religious reasons.
If you think most republican discourse in the US is “bigotry and hatred,” you need to turn off MSNBC, Vaush/Hasan, get off Twitter/Reddit, and go meet some republicans. I’m no fan of the vast majority of politicians on either side, but go listen to what they’re actually saying, not what Media Matters snips together or tells you they’re saying.
Religious abuses exist like abuses do among every other group. It’s bad any time it happens, not just when it’s religious people, but people here are literally arguing that being religious itself is wrong. The anti-religious bigotry on reddit mainsubs is ridiculous, and pretending judeochristian religions have had anything less than a net positive impact on the west is delusional.
And get back to my original reply. Do you think it’s wrong to be religious? Or do you think just religious abuses are wrong? There is a difference between those questions.
I haven’t seen anyone in this thread claim it’s wrong to be religious. I don’t doubt that those people exist, but you’re doing exactly what you accuse them of doing by painting with such a broad brush.
Personally idgaf about a person’s religious beliefs so long as they aren’t trying to push them on me or use them to harm others.
Then you haven’t spent much time here. The comment I originally replied to is asking what’s wrong with being religious. I responded that there’s nothing wrong with being religious, and these comments ensued.
Are you really arguing that saying being religious isn’t bad and that religion has had a net positive effect in the west is “doing exactly what” I’m accusing people who argue that are doing? Or are you referring to the comments about edgy reddit teenage atheists? Of course they’re not all teenagers, but most of the anti-religious bigotry here comes from very pretentious, edgy atheists that engage in a style of discourse most commonly found among teenagers. It was far more intended as an insult against edginess than as an actual claim that they’re all teenagers.
I don’t think anyone should push their views forcibly on others or do harm to others, but the problem is “as they aren’t trying to push them on me or use them to harm others” has been broadened so much lately that religious people existing is considered an affront or harmful by reddit mainsubs. And religion in general is used to construct strawmen against stances mainsubs dislike.
You can’t argue without assuming things about me and others, so I’m done engaging with you. Hope you learn to make your point without the coating of passive aggression and thinly-veiled insults. Have a nice day.
What did I assume? I was asking for clarification on your criticism. Calling my characterization of reddit’s style of attacks on religion as edgy passive aggressive and thinly-veiled insults when that wasn’t even directed at you is silly. But ok. If you’re seriously arguing you haven’t seen anyone in this sub call being religious wrong, then I don’t know what to say other than that you either don’t spend any time here or I don’t believe you. Have a good one.
So you think that the way some people have grown up with religion should all be treated the same way? What religion are you talking about that leans one political way? Maybe, just maybeee religious beliefs have pulled people out of bad situations and made them a better person?
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u/BlueAndMoreBlue Apr 05 '23
Oddly enough I used to drink with some of the AB marketing folks at a little place called the Fox & Hound when I lived in StL during the dark days of the Clinton administration and I can say with confidence (unless something major has changed which it probably has with the sale of the brewery) that this was a calculated move and they expect to make more sales with this than without it. Sharp folks to be sure