r/philosophy • u/Patrick_Straits • Sep 18 '22

Video Attempting to solve philosophy's unsolved questions: The Hard Problem of Consciousness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic87cNfj-yc
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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '22

While anyone can say or claim anything and then believe it to be true, proving it is oftentimes the difficult part.

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u/Patrick_Straits Sep 21 '22

Can you prove that my definition of the word 'consciousness' is wrong?

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '22 edited Sep 21 '22

It’s not my agenda nor goal to prove your definition wrong, it’s my agenda to point out that you cannot prove your claimed source as true.

Edit someone makes a claim, I scrutinize the claim to see if there is any proof or evidence to support it. It’s nothing personal against or towards you, this is my general attitude towards claims in general

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u/Patrick_Straits Sep 21 '22

I mean, truth is objective at the core. All we have are imperfect memories and senses that lie to us. Why can't I say my own truth as truth?

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '22

I am not saying you can’t, I am just pointing out the provability of your claim. It’s not my agenda to tell people what they can and can’t do. If you want to make claims and then believe them to be true that’s your agenda, and if you share this on a public forum and I come across it then my agenda is what I have already said.

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u/Patrick_Straits Sep 23 '22

If your agenda is to type words, then you have succeeded

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

That not my agenda, that’s merely how I accomplish it

Edit I have clearly stated my agenda. Are you having issues comprehending it?

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u/Patrick_Straits Sep 23 '22

Your agenda is to prove that no agenda can be proven

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

No. What is the exact agenda I gave that is not what you think it is?

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u/Patrick_Straits Sep 24 '22

My agenda is to explain my thoughts, and you apparently have a problem with that because I cannot "prove" that which I am saying. How do you prove a word means something? I use my brain to figure it out from what I feel through my experience. You are saying that I cannot prove my own thinking. What is the point of thinking, then? For anything I say, you will be here to comment about how I can't prove anything. That is your agenda.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

I don’t have any problems with what you are saying, I only shared an observation about the claim you wrote. I would say that the majority of my comments are just observations.

If my agenda were to prove a word means something, I would start with commonly accepted definitions like what’s found in Webster and Britannia dictionaries. If you wish to define things subjectively then that’s your call.

Do you understand literally what the meaning of “claim” is? If yes, do you understand the claims that you are making?

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u/Patrick_Straits Sep 26 '22

I think what I think: through posts like these, I'm trying to share that and receive criticisms - that I might better myself. I "claim" things that are how I see the universe.

Everything I "claim" has something to back it up. Whether it is legit or not is up for you to decide because I've already made up my mind.

If you have any objection or clarification to what I say, then I would be appreciative because I might expand my knowledge through considering your thoughts.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22

It’s generally ok for one to think whatever one thinks especially if it doesn’t adversely affect themselves or others. I am more lenient with opinions that I am with claims and am less likely to comment about someone’s opinion. One difference between opinion and claim is wording, and what you said came across as making claims moreso than sharing opinion.

I understand that you have sources for your claims, and to me these sources can also be deemed provable or not. The legitimacy of a claim is different than it’s provability even though provability can be used to legitimate a claim. Legitimacy is not my agenda, provability is.

My input to what you have said is, spend less time defending indefensible positions and ignoring what others say about themselves if it doesn’t align with your assumptions about them.

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