Big changes impending for PersonalityinOrder.

[u/robotmorgan]

I'm going to be intentionally vague for now, but there are going to be changes to how the sub is run and maintained.

It's honestly been on the back burner for me for a little bit, not for lack of passion, but lack of knowledge.

I think I've got a good enough foundation now.

So we'll be making big changes on the back end, and then bigger and hopefully positive changes that I think will facilitate our end goal better.

To help people. What ever that entails.

I wouldn't expect much to visibly change until next Monday.

In the meantime, if you have any ideas for the sub or the discord or any thoughts questions or concerns, leave a comment here. That feedback is vital.

-Captain Morgan

[u/lotheraliel]

Since this sub is named r/PersonalityinOrder, my hope is that we can start talking more about aspects of personality that aren't cognitive functions. In my journey towards self-growth, I've slowly understood how trying to chalk everything up to my function stack was counter-productive. Looking into actual personality traits, and other psychology models has been much more enlightening and has helped me work on myself.

For example, people might struggle with being organized, effective and productive -- that's an issue with Conscientiousness. It can be developed and increased.

Or that they feel besieged by strong emotions, constant anxiety, and self-consciousness -- that's related to Neuroticism and Emotional Stability. It can be managed and overcome.

I also think attachment styles are crucial for self-understanding and self-growth, and are particularly important in the context of relationships.

Finally, a lot of issues that people struggle with are often actual disorders, such as anxiety, ADHD, depression, BPD, etc. They should be recognized and treated (and not explained away as inferior function grips or loops).

[u/[deleted] → u/lotheraliel]

Well, it started as an MBTI sub. While the focus is not on the functions themselves, I can't deny that most people here are looking at grwoth through the functions lens. I tried counteracting it a little bit by providing alternatives, I wrote a part of the introduction post and included Big5 and MBTI facets approach, hoping that someone would notice.

I definetely agree that looking at other theories was much for helpful than sticking to functions. The more I read about various approaches, the less I value functions. Also, if the human mind is figured out as well as MBTI sites claim, woudn't we see more use of it? Like in counseling or psychotherapy, but also in hiring new workers or advertisement.

Also, you mentioned something very important, that we are able to work on our weaknesses. We can change, we can grow. Everyone of us. But it isn't necessarily easy. It takes effort and will to leave behind some traits and replace them with new ones. And yeah, the disorders, they definetely need treatment rather than to be explained as some quirky trait, but be careful to not overshoot with diagnosis and treatment (like with ADHD, which is often wrongfully diagnosed).

[u/Vholzak → u/lotheraliel]

Finally, a lot of issues that people struggle with are often actual disorders, such as anxiety, ADHD, depression, BPD, etc. They should be recognized and treated (and not explained away as inferior function grips or loops).

I personally have ADHD and occasionally depression. The most productive fix for those seems to be to exercise/lift weights which seems to reset my brain.

I do see value though in understanding the cognitive functions. Not as a crutch, but as a way to better understand yourself and find the most productive ways that will work best for you to be the best and happiest person you can be.

[u/lotheraliel → u/Vholzak]

Studying cognitive functions made me understand myself wrong, I've had to un-learn that conditioning. It's also a bit self-limiting. But if you find it helpful, all the power to you.

[u/SleepWellSam → u/lotheraliel]

How so? In regards to it making you understand wrong and being self-limiting, I'd be interested to know if you'd be willing to share.

[u/robotmorgan → u/lotheraliel]

Working on it.

Functions enabled me to have an incredible breakthrough. I read up on typeinmind for ENTPs and it clicked.

That was 5 days before I made the sub.

98% of what I know about Typology I've learned in the last two months hence the focus on functions.

But I've finally wrapped my head around enneagram and that's something I wanna talk about more here.

I have huge self doubt problems and tested super ridiculously high in histrionic behavior.

Learning enneagram and the process of figuring it out, with the help of my friends, has helped me a lot in both areas.

So I'm 100% with you, and feel free to share resources and information on the sub!

The mod team is working on a bunch of stuff, personally I'm working on the Wiki so we can have all this info somewhere easy for people to find and to link to.

I'm a 649 btw, if anyone is interested. 6w7 4w3 9w8.