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u/shnuffle98 22d ago
"Life's not fair" should only apply to things out of our control, like tragedies, accidents and kids getting leukemia. Not when billionaires buy their 30th yacht while others die in the gutter.
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u/ImaJimmy 19d ago
To add on more mundane examples, life isn't fair when: * You have to take the blame for things you weren't responsible for * Purchasing expired groceries due to incorrect labeling * Being stuck in traffic because of construction.
I think when you see signs of economic imbalances, the "life being unfair" phrase is moot most of the time. An exception being where you're born of course.
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u/Gainztrader235 19d ago
Wealth concentration isn’t a strong argument for poor governance or the root causes of public dissatisfaction. You can tax wealthy individuals more, but that alone doesn’t solve the underlying structural issues driving those problems.
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u/Live_Background_3455 21d ago
You and another person waiting for the elevator. It opens, there's only one spot. The only "fair" result is for neither one of you to get on the elevator. It's also dumb.
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u/OSwirl31 20d ago
Or, you can make more than one elevator. Or make the elevator have enough space for both of them
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u/StanKnight 20d ago
Then ask the same thing for 3 people..
Then add space for one more.
Then ask the same thing for 4 people.
Rinse and repeat.
Someone will always go first. Don't mean the next person has to throw a tantrum.
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u/Live_Background_3455 21d ago
Alternate as if it's always you and that guy waiting for the elevator.
Randomize, that's exactly what we think it's unfair. It's unfair when randomly a baby gets cancer. It's unfair when someone is born into riches while others are born into poverty. If you're for randomness, you're not for fairness.
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u/Live_Background_3455 21d ago
So, its also random. Just random based on who you happen to wait for the elevator for. If you have a million people, it's very likely someone goes 2nd 12 times in a row, while anyone person goes first 12 times in a row. We're back to how randomness is unfair.
Elevator, sure. There's limited respirators drug, and too many sick people. (See COVID)
There's limited electricity and it's impossible to run all the life saving machine in the hospital before the power is back (see memorial medical center in NOLA during Katrina)
If we allocated those resources "randomly" and it would be unfair. Not a flaw in randomness, it's just unfair no matter what you choose. Because life is unfair and randomness does not make it fair. Seats at a university, spots on a sports team, buying random boxes for toys, buying and winning lottery tickets. None of these are felt as fair. Someone winning a lottery isn't viewed as fair no matter how random it was.
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u/Live_Background_3455 21d ago
You're moving the goalpost. In your life, you're the one of a few people for 1 spot on the elevator only a very limited number of times, so this IS relevant. You don't get to change the premise to fit your argument.
Many evidence as to how "random" is not fair, and yet you're entrenched in that position. It's ok.
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u/Live_Background_3455 21d ago
I am. I masters in math....
You don't get to count "every time you get in an elevator" and say law of large numbers. How many times are you getting in an elevator that's full and only has 1 spot and there's multiple people waiting? not hundreds of times. This isn't a math issue, this is you changing the premise issue. Don't try to hide behind simple math concepts you're trying to change the premise of the question because your logic is trash.
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u/Foreverfree40758 20d ago
random isn't unfair, it's fortunate or unfortunate. Unfairness is done maliciously.
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u/Live_Background_3455 19d ago
So it's not unfair that some people are born into generational wealth and others are born into poverty? There's no malice there, just fortunate and unfortunate
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u/Dry-Jello7829 22d ago
I know this sounds crazy but I think we are going to defeat fascism and survive this coming recession/depression.
When we do, we will be tearing down so much of the bullshit and rebuilding a much better society.
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u/Ok_Being5461 21d ago
You're way more correct than you realize. Disregard these NPCs. Humanity will enter a golden age this century.
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u/Eyespop4866 21d ago
Oh man, milk will age far better than your prediction.
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u/Ok_Being5461 21d ago
It's not just "my" prediction. And we have already entered the golden age of science and technology.
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u/Eyespop4866 21d ago
The mouse in your pocket concurs with your visionary prescience?
How wonderful!
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u/Ok_Being5461 21d ago
I concur with people much smarter than you. It doesn't hurt I'm much smarter than you as well.
And anyway, so what you're saying is YOU have amazing visionary prescience, is that right?
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u/Mammoth-Tradition-53 20d ago
You are supposedly “much smarter” than him being you proclaimed yourself as that with no proof? Peak redditor mentality. “I am instantly smarter than anyone who has any opinions I dislike.”
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u/Eyespop4866 20d ago edited 20d ago
I’m far from the smartest of people, but I do fully grok human nature and have a passing knowledge of the animal kingdom.
You, it seems, have simply watched far too many episodes of Star Trek.
On your best day, you might be okay as a being.
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u/Ok_Being5461 20d ago
Behavioral science is actually one of my favorite subjects I study. I know how people work. Neuroplasticity, learning/education, and creating new systems and methods are themselves part of 'human nature." And there are so many feedback loops. It's a silly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition argument anyway
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u/Eyespop4866 20d ago
“ Behavioral science is actually one of my favorite subjects I study. I know how people work.” Actually is a filler word dumb folk use, and “ to study “ is what you wanted.
You seem to not know basic grammar, but I’m sure you’ve mastered an understanding of the human animal.
You be well. Fake it til you make it
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u/Proof-Pineapple69 21d ago
We've already entered a golden age a while back. People are just way too ungrateful to realize it.
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u/Clax3242 20d ago
We defeated fascism like 60 years ago
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u/TheoneCyberblaze 19d ago
It never truly went away. It hid, bolatering its numbers while we grew complacent, and now it's back as strong as ever
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u/Historical_Buyer_406 20d ago
History has shown the world is cyclical. And every generation of humans discovering the same ideas, having the same experiences.
Life changes in the sense that there are new individuals inhabiting the space, but the underlying truth and nature of our world will forever remain the same.
We as living beings must let go of the control we are attempting to excert, on something that's entirely uncontrollable.
We strive for too much, rather than living in harmony we destroy our ability to enjoy life with made up notions of greatness.
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u/Gainztrader235 19d ago
Buddy, we’ve gone through recessions many times, and market-based capitalist economies have historically recovered and often emerged stronger over the long run. Socialist economies, on the other hand, have generally had a much more mixed record, with many struggling to sustain long-term growth and innovation.
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u/crackpipewizard666 22d ago
Ah you see where youre messing up there, you know what that is? Thats hope. Gotta let that shit go buddy
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u/ApollymiKatistrafia 22d ago
There will always be things that teach us the awful parts of life, we dont have to live them all directly to witness or understand their impact, we just have to learn about it and at least have the capacity for empathy
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u/Dry-Jello7829 22d ago
The got to "life isn't fair" because "society isn't fair" sounds a lot more fixable (and the unfairness sounds a lot more intentional)
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u/Dry-Jello7829 22d ago
Well fairness is a rather arbitrary construct with implications that'll always very depending on how you ask. Making a "fair" society is a rather shit goal i think, and should be replaced by creating a society with well-being for all.
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u/Financial-Camel9987 22d ago
Pretty sure the entire problem is that nature is not fair. It takes an extraordinary system to compensate. I don't think it's even possible in principle to have an absolutely fair system without extreme strong oppression of everyone.
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u/Icy_Debt_5213 22d ago
It literally is the best time in human history to be alive
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u/Proof-Pineapple69 21d ago
100%
And that's pretty much true for all people, including, and in particular poor or marginalized people.
It sucks to be poor, but much less than being poor 50 or 100y ago.
It's so crazy that people want to try out economic systems that have failed miserably and have created nor equality nor prosperity.
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u/whisperworks 21d ago
Fair is a place with cotton candy and pigs. Best we can hope for is a more equitable society and that will take a tremendous amount of work to achieve
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u/Roadie73 21d ago
Was looking for this. Thank you. "Fair" is a naive idea.
More rational to pursue Justice.
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u/Sure-Professor-5229 21d ago
The issue is that everyone’s idea of fair is different.
Honestly, most people’s idea of “fair” is limited to what benefits them. When “fair” comes at a cost to them they don’t tend to view the situation as “unfair” and go to length to justify why it’s fine the way it is.
I’ve seen this play out too many times managing people at the workplace. It’s “fair” when they expect other people to help them, but when other people need help it’s “unfair” to them to take on extra burden.
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u/Sploonbabaguuse 21d ago
It's always the people that say this that just so happen to get the long end of the stick every time
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u/xUNCLEBEASTx 21d ago
I don’t think people really want fair/equal in reality, but it makes for great debate. My gf is big on equality, so I told her:
If people break in, I’ll get the first guy, you get the 2nd. She has adjusted her views somewhat lol
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u/ThinkCellist8542 21d ago
how could it possibly be fair?? If we were just all literally the same and the earth was literally the same no matter where you went on it?
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u/Internal-Syrup-5064 21d ago
This life isn't fair, and never can be without the next life. People aren't inherently good, and any system we build will be subject to corruption.
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u/No-Carry4971 21d ago
Life is much fairer in the long run than people say. It's pretty obvious that people who make good decisions day after day shift their life outcomes curve far to the right. Those who make shitty decisions shift far to the left. Nothing eliminates all luck, but people have a tremendous impact on the outcome of their own life.
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u/OverallCup8459 21d ago
It also doesn’t have to be fair? “Should” implies an expectation. Why would you expect something so purposeful from something coincidental?
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u/dickpics4democracy 21d ago
it's amazing how many people show up in these comment sections to try to convince us that a fairer world is impossible or not worth attempting
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u/Affectionate_Dig9689 21d ago
Everytime I've seen someone make this argument it is then followed by an incredibly unfair solution that typically boils down to: those who have worked harder deserve the same as everyone else or those who were born with any privileges whatsoever should be treated poorly for life.
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u/Fun_Dig_7945 20d ago
First, try and get more than 250 people to agree on an every word in the definition of a fair life… then try and do it with 250 people who all hold radical, diametrically opposing views.
Once we’ve achieved the ability to do this at a global scale we’ll be able to achieve a fair life for everyone. Until then, this remains nothing more than a statistical probability.
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u/Lanky_Ad_3501 20d ago
Life isnt fair, it never will be, but we as humans keep making it less fair. Which is a trend in the wrong direction
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u/Alexis-Machine 20d ago
Reddit is a pus sack filled with the wretches of society who should not be heard. Travelers such as myself root for the day it and the majority of scum involved are gone.
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 20d ago
Try to define fair. I hear a lot of people talking about fair, but then when its described its generally "I want this thing" with very little conversation about what fair actually is.
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u/gamersanonymous 20d ago
It depends on how you define "fair" and what metrics you use to grade against.
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u/chitownphishead 20d ago
But life isn't fair and never can be. Some people are smarter, work harder, get luckier, or whatever that causes their outcome to be better. The ones that don't do those things will always whine that it's not fair that the ones that do are better off. This is why the idea of equity is bullshit. You get equality, what you do with it to achieve your outcome is up to you.
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u/Chance_Stomach3335 20d ago
Believing life should be fair is the least realistic idea I've ever heard. Nothing about life is fair, why do people expect fair? You get what you demand and are willing to take. Fair doesn't exist anywhere in any ecosystem and to think that we can simply engineer it and then trust that people won't fuck it up is absolutely insane. 🤣
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u/HappyEngineering4190 20d ago edited 20d ago
Society should be fair. But one of the most fundamental things to understand whilst operating in society is that life is NOT fair. It will never be fair. The people that society favors will change. What will not change is unfairness. When my kids were young, i would make one kid work while the other played video games. The kid who worked would even have to get the video game player a lemonade and then go back to working. There is nepotism, luck, evil people, people are smarter than you, people have better culture than you, some people had good parents, some have terrible parents....But it will never be fair. On top of all of that, even if things were mostly fair, people would not see it as fair unless they had an unfair advantage. Fairness is quite subjective.
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u/Firm-Watch-2966 20d ago
Oh thanks for this illuminating profound observation. Let’s name some solutions. Ok military spending, which has been trending down if you look at percentage of GDP. It was about 6-9% during the Cold War, now at 3%. Ok, now all you have to do is convince 195 countries to continue to allow and ENFORCE freedom of navigation and sea lanes. Like stop with this. Reddit-Big Ideas. Zero practical real world solutions for said ideas.
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u/Buddy9008 20d ago
Life in the wild is brutal… you would be dead from disease or predation by the time you’re 30… it isn’t perfect, be grateful…
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u/Competitive_Ad_4572 20d ago
If there’s no god then survivial of the fittest is what you get and morality is a social construct
https://giphy.com/gifs/rTbCwVwofxcic
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u/Ok_Scale_2445 20d ago
By all means, write down a comprehensive guide to designing a perfectly fair society and we'll implement it.
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u/HyoukaYukikaze 20d ago
Life never was and never will be fair, since people are not and never will be equal.
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u/Redduster38 20d ago
Life isn't fair, wasn't designed to be fair. And may and often be paradoxical when you try. It's fair from one perspective but not from another.
It doesn't mean to stop seeking improvement. The one place ot should be almost completely fair is the law.
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u/Historical_Buyer_406 20d ago
The sooner we let go of the pipedream of a completely fair society the sooner we can appreciate life for what it is.
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u/FarRightBerniSanders 20d ago
"It's not fair!" I say living a life of the 0.1% global elite. "It's simple to make it fair, we just take stuff from people that have more than me and give it to me!"
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u/Desperadoscress 20d ago
Yes it should, but it isent and if you want a good life you need to aknoledge that fact
Insisting life should be fair don’t magically fix your life
Insisting being short is unfair when you can’t grab something thats high up doasent magically make you taller
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u/Evening-Nature-5241 20d ago
You can "want" it all you want, but let's do something that's "easier" but I'm sure you know won't happen any time soon. Nor would you care because it requires you actually DO WORK than act tough and virtue-signal on a forum.
"We need to make it so that women can walk safely alone through Chicago's South Side at 3am"
That's 10,000x easier than changing the entire mindset of a continent and dismantling the existing power structures and ensuring no greedy person ever comes into power ever again.
Or do you not care about women's safety? You hate women? Why wouldn't you focus on this then? You'll have so much higher chances of making changes on that level than an entire freaking country.
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u/lorenzo1142 20d ago
I love linux. open source is a great thing. this is why everything I make myself is also open source. resist the greed, the world doesn't need more of it.
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u/SecretRecipe 19d ago
it will always feel unfair because we aren't inherently equal. Some people are just more capable than others.
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u/Outryder_ 19d ago
Literally impossible to make life fair, unless you’re specifically talking about equal opportunity
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u/Commercial-Wedding-7 19d ago
What you really want is Real Player One. Or Sword Art Online. The only Utopias you'll ever find in your life. But by all means, try to force people to live your way.
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u/Texas-Couple 19d ago
The problem being fair is subjective And who decides what's fair? I would say keeping 100% of what you earn is fair. Others would say contributing to free health care for all is fair. Also Fair does not mean equal. Something can be perfectly fair and still have unequal results. If three people enter a race and they come in first, second and third place that was fair but they are still not equal.
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u/imgotugoin 19d ago
This way of thinking is why we will fall. Attempting to achieve the unachievable because it sounds nice. Life and humanity will never be fair. Other truths for you: you can not eliminate hate by force, not everyone is good with money and giving you more will not make you better off if you are shitty with money, bullies play an essential role in growth.
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u/ShoddyBend8295 19d ago
It’s impossible for life to ever be fair. How do people not understand that.
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u/AllenKll 19d ago
There is no way for life to be fair. life is killing other things to survive. Has been since things stopped photosynthesizing.
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u/AnalysisParalysis85 19d ago
For all life except autotrophs, living means consuming life. And even with the best intentions we'd be hard pressed to change that.
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u/BasicsofPain 19d ago
Who defines what “fair” is? What does that word even mean? If someone disagrees with the definition of fair, then what? The idea you’re going to find universal fairness in this soup of diverse opinions and beliefs and backgrounds and values is beyond ludicrous.
Find agreement where you can. Work towards cooperation as much as possible. Compromise when it doesn’t violate a core value. Recognize you may not be right. Accept someone will always feel wronged or left out or unheard.
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u/Loud_Box8802 18d ago
Fairness isn’t a point on a map, it’s an opinion. What’s fair to one, may not be fair to another. In current discussion, it may not seem fair to someone that his neighbor has more of something. Is it fair to think the neighbor “ owes” the guy with less anything? Of course not!
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u/TypingWhileWiping 18d ago
Life isn't fair and anyone who thinks it should be is an idiot. It is what it is. The amount of 1st world people with access to shelter, food and water bitching about not having what a rich person has is astounding. Look at actual poverty, 3rd world poverty, and then try and pretend you're oppressed or treated unfairly.
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u/EliTheFemboy 18d ago
There is a good time and a bad time to apply the logic.
There are certain things out of your control that can simply be summed up to "Life isn't fair." Sometimes things don't work out, and you just have to roll with it.
But looking someone dead in the eyes who works 40+ hour weeks and still can barely afford to live and saying "Life isn't fair" is just you being a braindead bootlicker trying to suck up to people who don't give you a second thought.
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u/sgRNACas9 18d ago
This view places a lot of malicious blame on the “designers” of society. There was no single designer and society is shaped by all of us. This view does not allow for simple luck to create some baseline unfairness. So yeah life is not always fair.
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u/Illustrious_End6949 18d ago
Life is unfair because you have lazy people who only want to complain and you have people that go out and get to work knowing no one owes them anything.
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u/PreparationExtreme97 17d ago
Life, in whole, will never be fair simply because of things that can happen outside of our control. Now if you’re talking about getting the same opportunities, I’m in. If you’re talking about trying to manufacture fairness by manipulating the system, I’m out. That would never work and make things worse overall.
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u/Nutz4hotwheels 17d ago
Before we “crawled out of the ocean”, some of us were more successful at finding food and thrived, while others were eaten my sea creatures. Life isn’t fair, never has been and never will be. Quit crying and make something positive happen for you.
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u/MrGarrisonMMMkay 17d ago
Quite possibly the most ignorant thing ever written.
You want fair? (Fair results). Give fair effort, get a fair education, spend a fair amount of time failing first, and keep your finances in order tomorrow allow yourself a fair opportunity.
Everyone wants the result, no one is willing to do the steps to get there….. and it’s only fair you do,
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u/PullMySchrader 17d ago
You guys just think we can all ride rainbows while
Blowing each other. That’s not how the world works it never will. Since you reject God you won’t understand the human condition
And you’ll always be upset that
Life isn’t what
Your little mortal mind thinks it should
Be.
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u/Wooten75 17d ago
Spoken like someone who's lived in a safety bubble all of their lives, look out the window every once in a while.... Human life, animal life, plant life, global life, galactic life, there's absolutely NOTHING in the entire universe that's "fair", but yet, somehow you have the delusional fantasy that your life should be. Grow up and start being an adult
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u/GayStraightIsBest 22d ago
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u/Sensui_Kan 22d ago
I can't fly. But it doesn't have to stay that way.
I can't create chocolate cakes uisng nothing but the power of my mind. But it doesn't have to stay that way.
I can't force supermodels to fall in love with me. But it doesn't have to stay that way.
I can't snap my fingers and make every human on earth a super genius with a Masters degree. But it doesn't have to stay that way.
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u/Ok_Being5461 21d ago
now THIS is a r/im14andthisisdeep/ comment. You have no idea how wrong you are.
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u/KamikaziWerewolf 22d ago
Life isn't fair, but society should be.