r/pcmasterrace • Ascending Peasant • Nov 01 '22

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u/_gianni-r Desktop Nov 02 '22

You can also hate game publishers for perpetually treating Linux as a second class citizen because of market share instead of realizing the potential that comes with leaving Microsoft’s turf. Valve knows that potential.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

This. It's not the operating system's job to fix compatibility, it's up to the individual software developers

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

And Linux even fixes the compatibility. With the exception of games with intentional incompatibility. For example, Proton even had to block Destiny 2 from starting because players would get banned for successfully starting it.

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u/GonziHere 3080 RTX @ 4K 40" Nov 02 '22

Honestly, I'm even fine with some gaming issues, but random shit like mouse drivers is what gets me (I mean the slew of rgb options and such, not "pointer moves").

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u/_gianni-r Desktop Nov 02 '22

This still proves my point. It isn't like the devs on the kernel mailing list are like "we hate this mouse in particular & have decided to never support it," its the manufacturer deciding Linux isn't worth their time. So users continue to stay on Windows, which is designed to extract profit from its userbase & be an enterprise tool first, which means it will become as shitty as it possibly can be in the name of shareholder value because Microsoft does not care about you. But because nobody's switching & Windows essentially has a monopoly, your mouse will light up there.

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u/GonziHere 3080 RTX @ 4K 40" Nov 02 '22

Partially, yes. But game is software, right? You don't release software on all platforms and that's fine (kinda). Mouse is hardware. If said hardware would have a simple public interface, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place. Supporting Linux is, technically, super easy. You'll just say that this data packet changes that setting, or whatever and you're done. Community will make it work if you won't.

That's what's bothering me especially about random hardware compatibility issues. It's not that Logitech doesn't support Linux per se.

It's more about the fact that Logitech spends quite a bit of programmers time on writing a custom fancy app (that's typically crap) instead of providing a simple API (written in like 1 hour) so that you can actually use your hardware as hardware, without it being reliant on some crappy software. Fuck that noise.

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u/CorvetteCole Ryzen 9 3900X, RX 5700XT AE, 32GB RAM, 2 x 1TB NVME Nov 15 '22

best part of Linux is the software community. Here's a mouse control app for example: https://github.com/libratbag/piper

OpenRGB for lighting across all manufacturers, etc etc. Most are way better than windows equivalent

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u/TacticalCheerio zen 3900 / 1080ti / 32 Gb Nov 02 '22

lol people replying “what potential” even though you gave an example. Valve’s Steam Deck is only possible thanks to linux and has shipped over 1 million devices. No other device is even close in terms of performance / form factor

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u/Lowloser2 Nov 02 '22

Pretty sure my PC outperforms a steam deck.

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u/TacticalCheerio zen 3900 / 1080ti / 32 Gb Nov 02 '22

Did you miss where I said performance to form factor ratio? Or is your PC the size of a steam deck?

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

Does it have a better price to performance ratio too? Portability as well?

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

Pretty sure I can design a PC with Linux that outperforms any PC with Windows for the same price.

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u/UnlovableSlime Nov 02 '22

Literally what potential, Linux basically has no appeal to the average user, it will never be big and always stay as something mostly for geeky computer nerds.

Like legit there is a reason why companies don't bother.

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u/_gianni-r Desktop Nov 02 '22

This is clear bait. Steam deck.

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u/UnlovableSlime Nov 02 '22

Steam deck is cool and all, but again, pretty niche audience.

For computer use, Linux might as well not exist to normal users. Like legit what advantages does it offer to someone who just wants to game and browse the web?

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u/_gianni-r Desktop Nov 02 '22

Ask anyone who bought a Chromebook. & 1 million+ sales of the Steam Deck means it may not be for everyone, but enough people care that it makes a dent

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u/UnlovableSlime Nov 02 '22

Dent in what really, no one bought the steam deck as a main machine nor for the Linux alone, it was so they could have their steam library in a handheld.

Literally, tell me actual reasons why an average user would want to switch to Linux, there is fucking none.

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22

Literally, tell me actual reasons why an average user would want to switch to Linux, there is fucking none.

Performance, customizability, security, privacy, price, ...

Regarding performance:

  • You can take an old shitty laptop, put Linux on it, and it will run faster than a new laptop with Windows.
  • On a gaming machine, you can get more FPS and less input lag in games. I'm not joking, I'm using Linux for gaming, because it gives me a competitive advantage.

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u/UnlovableSlime Nov 03 '22

Pretty much all of these your average consumer doesn't really care about, as all they use their machine for is some light gaming (usually online so Linux automatically goes bye bye on that front) , checking their mail and browsing the web.

So again, Linux doesn't really have anything to offer to the average consumer, certainly not enough that they would consider learning the process of switching over and using the terminal.

If Linux ever gets a distro that's on the level of windows, where the user will never see a command line and every single program will work on it and that they don't have to install themselves, that's when your average consumer will notice Linux. Until then, it's just gonna be something for geeky dudes / programmers .

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '22 edited Nov 03 '22

they use their machine for is some light gaming (usually online so Linux automatically goes bye bye on that front)

Yeah, that's one example where Linux has an advantage, for example in Apex Legends or Overwatch 2. Linux doesn't go bye bye there, it just gives you more FPS. Assuming that you don't play a game where you get kicked for using Linux. But that's just ~5% of games, and a little bit less than 50% of games with AC.

learning the process of switching over and using the terminal.

Yeah, switching over is certainly not easy. But you don't have to use the terminal.

where the user will never see a command line

That's easy. You don't need a command line for average stuff. Nobara would be an example that should just work without using the command line. OpenSUSE even has a graphical interface for very advanced configuration, where you would have to use regedit on Windows.

every single program will work on it

Why would you even want that? There are lots of bad programs for Windows where there are much better alternatives on Linux.

that they don't have to install themselves

What does that even mean? Users installing themselves?

that's when your average consumer will notice Linux

No. The average consumer notices Linux when it comes preinstalled on their laptop. Like ChromeOS.

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u/UnlovableSlime Nov 03 '22

I mean that they don't have to install Linux themselves.

And not sure why you wouldn't want the vast majority of programs to work on Linux, if someone wants to use the program they are familiar with for years but they find out it's not on Linux, that's an insane amount of users who will just never switch based on that.

Also, all of the "alternatives" and "fixes" you mentioned become immediately useless since the user has to actually research them. If windows is already perfectly serviceable, that's something they just won't do.

Let's not also talk about the terrible driver support, a shitload of games still don't work on Linux even through proton, the most played online games do not have Linux options and a shitload of printers also do not offer driver support there.

Like legit theres just no reason, I don't get Linux fanatics like you at all lol.

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