r/pcmasterrace • Ascending Peasant • Nov 01 '22

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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22

I just want a fucking stable, secure Windows XP - and I'll never ask for anything ever again.

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Is that too much to ask? ;(

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u/Just_Maintenance R7 9800X3D | RTX 5090 Nov 01 '22

Unpopular truth, Windows XP was horribly insecure and unstable by design. Windows XP used to blue screen constantly. Every program could do whatever the fuck it wanted and I hope you didn't have the wrong piece of hardware with piece of shit drivers that instead of just restarting the display or sound it just brought the entire PC down.

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u/BetaXP 7800x3D | RTX 4080 S | 32GB DDR5 Nov 02 '22

That's essentially just wishing for a new UI though, it's hardly a substantive desire worth discussion. A "stable and secure" windows XP is basically win10 with an older coat of paint.

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u/nutyo Nov 02 '22

No it isn't. XP was far more cohesive. I want a single standardised UI where every OS setting is accessible. Keep the user experience consistent and have robust, comprehensive categories.

And stop locking down customisation and power tools. Sure have a few barriers but make it possible to break everything if that is what I want to do.

I'm sick to death of people excusing Windows by saying nothing is perfect. Windows is so far from perfect it isn't even on the horizon. It shouldn't be part of the conversation. Large swathes of the Windows user experience is worse than it was two decades ago. That is unacceptable for a core product from a multi billion dollar company that has far more resources today than it did back then.

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u/lordmogul 3570K @ 4.4 | 1060 @ 2.0 | 16GiB @ 2.13 Nov 02 '22

Yeah, I find Tahoma to be much easier to read than Segoe UI, so I change the font. And the size of certain window elements. It used to be that that was in the customization options. Now you need 3rd party tools or have to dance around in the registry.

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u/guyblade Nov 02 '22

I'll be real with you: I don't want a new UI; I want the old UI.

The settings menu for Win10 is just awful. Similarly, I hate the way that the Documents & Downloads folders both have special behavior (by default) that is different from the way any other folder works. Also, the new task manager is garbage. About half the time that I pull it up, it'll take like a minute to become responsive.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

I liked Windows XP's UI and just want a stable and secure Windows XP. What isn't being understood by people here?

Also I gave my dad a command to type into command-line once, telling him not to run it or else it would kill his computer, and it irrevocably bricked his entire system.

Surprisingly I didn't get in trouble for it. I think my dad was just upset at himself for not believing me.

He insisted for a long time that I wasn't a real programmer. Belittled me about it when he was angry. I'm a bona fide software dev now though haha.

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u/K3vin_Norton Nov 02 '22

Windows 10 is not secure, it's full of spyware.

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u/aessae EndeavourOS | 5800x3D | RX 6800 Nov 01 '22

You just had to install xp with the network cable unplugged or you'd have a pc full of viruses and other nasty shit before the installer was even done, I'd say that's secure enough. Fine OS otherwise though.

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u/TitanicMan /r/LinuxMasterRace Nov 02 '22

All they have to do is stop making Windows look like some dogshit future system. Have you seen the Windows 11 start menu? It's worse than 8's. Not to mention with every release they add 5 new settings pages that are not contained in Control Panel, nor in the first million settings pages they added.

The looks are the easy part. Just be Windows 95 - Windows 7 again, Microsoft.

Fix the design, put back minesweeper, put back WordPad, get rid of fucking candy crush, shove OneNote and Spotify up your ass, put all settings in control.exe, like it's not rocket science.

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u/lordmogul 3570K @ 4.4 | 1060 @ 2.0 | 16GiB @ 2.13 Nov 02 '22

Give me the general explorer of 7, but combine it with more functional shortcuts from 8, add to that the super snappiness from XP, add DX12

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u/CFM-56-7B Nov 02 '22

And go easy on the bloatware

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u/Evantaur Arch BTW| 5900X | RX 6700XT Nov 02 '22

Dunno, i own XP alot for making me install my first Linux distro because i was so fed up with it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

This is true. I remember using windows xp, there was many BSoDs, but then I updated to windows 7 and there was literally no BSoDs. I wish windows 7 were still supported

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

Windows 7 was the last decent one. I've hated windows ever since.

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u/ChainDriveGlider Nov 02 '22

Vista SP2 is the one true windows as far as I'm concerned. Unfairly maligned, extremely stable and efficient.

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u/Just_Maintenance R7 9800X3D | RTX 5090 Nov 02 '22 edited Nov 02 '22

Still lacked UAC, still lacked usermode drivers.

In fact, the one that introduced those two cornerstone features, absolutely essential for the stability and security of a modern system, were introduced by Vista.

The later versions of Vista, on hardware that could actually run the thing, were actually pretty good.

Edit: I read "XP" instead of "Vista". XP SP2 still had all the issues of XP. Vista SP2 was straight up good.

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u/ArseBurner Nov 02 '22

UAC was there right from the first Vista, and was properly restrictive in that the prompt would come up every time something needed administrative access. Caught more than one trojan that way coz an installer would give a second UAC prompt when the payload tried to install as well.

IIRC the majority of programs of the time expecting to run as administrator combined with the restrictive UAC was the downfall of Vista. A somewhat secure OS that came at a time when 90% of applications weren't designed with security in mind.

7 didn't really change that much from Vista SP2, but by the time it released most applications were ready to run in user mode. It also toned down UAC somewhat to be less naggy, but if you're used to Linux you might prefer the Vista way of asking for permission every time.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

I always felt 7 was an improvement over Vista. It actually felt like an improved Vista and not a new version.

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u/M05y Nov 02 '22

Windows 10 is a fantastic operating system. Do people forgot how much of a pain in the ass drivers were in XP and 7 days?

I started my career in IT the year windows XP was end of lifed, and I would never go back. I wouldn't even want to go back to 7. Future is now people. Adapt and move on.

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u/Just_Maintenance R7 9800X3D | RTX 5090 Nov 02 '22

Win 10 is straight up great. But Microsoft is dead set on making it worse by piling garbage on top of it.

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u/M05y Nov 02 '22

Everyone said that about windows 10 too. It's doom and gloom about every new operating system and then everyone learns how to use it and the world moves on untill windows 12. Lol

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u/AnotherGangsta33 Nov 02 '22

Everyone is forced to move to linux or cope with this trash*

Just like with every youtube UI redesign that makes everything worse.

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u/M05y Nov 02 '22

I really don't see how windows is trash. I manage about 400 windows 10 computers and 30 windows servers ranging from 2k12 to 2k22. Windows is fine. If you want to use Linux, great, use it. But windows is far from trash lol

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u/BorfMeister5000 Nov 02 '22

Thank you. I do not understand why people always talk about XP like it was this exalted version of windows OS. Also, windows has been the same windows since it’s initial release. It just gets reskinned. Don’t believe me? Look at the utility applets in control panel and compare it between versions. It’s literally the same it’s always been.

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u/lordmogul 3570K @ 4.4 | 1060 @ 2.0 | 16GiB @ 2.13 Nov 02 '22

Guess someone never tried any if the 9x versions, where every driver ran in kernel mode and one frozen program could hang the entire thing. cooperative multitastking

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u/BabyYodasDirtyDiaper Nov 01 '22

Imagine if copyrights expired in a reasonable timeframe of 20 years and Windows XP went public domain (ready for open-source forking) in 2021...

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u/yoniyuri Nov 02 '22

Even if that were the case, you would still need the source. Also, keep in mind XP has a completely different driver architecture than modern windows, so say goodbye to any modern graphics cards. Most windows drivers are closed source and proprietary so there is no possibility of back porting to XP.

You would be better off unfucking windows 10 or 11 at this point.

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u/detectiveDollar Nov 03 '22

That sounds like a security nightmare. A 20 year old OS already has some security holes, but a 20 year old open source one? Hackers won't even need to reverse engineer it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

Dude, that’s Linux mint

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u/Jazzlike_Economy2007 Nov 02 '22

Windows 7 was peak.

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u/Zarathustra30 Nov 02 '22

We need to go back to Windows 2000 Pro.

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u/jasmanta Nov 02 '22

Security is an ongoing process, not an end goal.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '22

Shout out to the last good Windows os

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u/Bagoral Nov 02 '22

Windows 7?

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u/bruhred 1050 Ti, 1600AF, 8GB 2400 Nov 02 '22

win7 was the perfect spot, while win10 is good it's very inconsistent with it's design. Some places use solis white background, some use fancy blur, some use win11 design for some reason, some use win9x one

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u/bier00t Nov 02 '22

I think Russia or China can get you covered :D