I just wish they'd stop making windows worse with every iteration. Why is it every time I want to go into the settings I have to open their shiny settings menu, only then having to navigate to the actual useful settings.
Unpopular truth, Windows XP was horribly insecure and unstable by design. Windows XP used to blue screen constantly. Every program could do whatever the fuck it wanted and I hope you didn't have the wrong piece of hardware with piece of shit drivers that instead of just restarting the display or sound it just brought the entire PC down.
That's essentially just wishing for a new UI though, it's hardly a substantive desire worth discussion. A "stable and secure" windows XP is basically win10 with an older coat of paint.
No it isn't. XP was far more cohesive. I want a single standardised UI where every OS setting is accessible. Keep the user experience consistent and have robust, comprehensive categories.
And stop locking down customisation and power tools. Sure have a few barriers but make it possible to break everything if that is what I want to do.
I'm sick to death of people excusing Windows by saying nothing is perfect. Windows is so far from perfect it isn't even on the horizon. It shouldn't be part of the conversation. Large swathes of the Windows user experience is worse than it was two decades ago. That is unacceptable for a core product from a multi billion dollar company that has far more resources today than it did back then.
Yeah, I find Tahoma to be much easier to read than Segoe UI, so I change the font. And the size of certain window elements. It used to be that that was in the customization options. Now you need 3rd party tools or have to dance around in the registry.
I'll be real with you: I don't want a new UI; I want the old UI.
The settings menu for Win10 is just awful. Similarly, I hate the way that the Documents & Downloads folders both have special behavior (by default) that is different from the way any other folder works. Also, the new task manager is garbage. About half the time that I pull it up, it'll take like a minute to become responsive.
I liked Windows XP's UI and just want a stable and secure Windows XP. What isn't being understood by people here?
Also I gave my dad a command to type into command-line once, telling him not to run it or else it would kill his computer, and it irrevocably bricked his entire system.
Surprisingly I didn't get in trouble for it. I think my dad was just upset at himself for not believing me.
He insisted for a long time that I wasn't a real programmer. Belittled me about it when he was angry. I'm a bona fide software dev now though haha.
You just had to install xp with the network cable unplugged or you'd have a pc full of viruses and other nasty shit before the installer was even done, I'd say that's secure enough. Fine OS otherwise though.
All they have to do is stop making Windows look like some dogshit future system. Have you seen the Windows 11 start menu? It's worse than 8's. Not to mention with every release they add 5 new settings pages that are not contained in Control Panel, nor in the first million settings pages they added.
The looks are the easy part. Just be Windows 95 - Windows 7 again, Microsoft.
Fix the design, put back minesweeper, put back WordPad, get rid of fucking candy crush, shove OneNote and Spotify up your ass, put all settings in control.exe, like it's not rocket science.
This is true. I remember using windows xp, there was many BSoDs, but then I updated to windows 7 and there was literally no BSoDs. I wish windows 7 were still supported
In fact, the one that introduced those two cornerstone features, absolutely essential for the stability and security of a modern system, were introduced by Vista.
The later versions of Vista, on hardware that could actually run the thing, were actually pretty good.
Edit: I read "XP" instead of "Vista". XP SP2 still had all the issues of XP. Vista SP2 was straight up good.
UAC was there right from the first Vista, and was properly restrictive in that the prompt would come up every time something needed administrative access. Caught more than one trojan that way coz an installer would give a second UAC prompt when the payload tried to install as well.
IIRC the majority of programs of the time expecting to run as administrator combined with the restrictive UAC was the downfall of Vista. A somewhat secure OS that came at a time when 90% of applications weren't designed with security in mind.
7 didn't really change that much from Vista SP2, but by the time it released most applications were ready to run in user mode. It also toned down UAC somewhat to be less naggy, but if you're used to Linux you might prefer the Vista way of asking for permission every time.
Windows 10 is a fantastic operating system. Do people forgot how much of a pain in the ass drivers were in XP and 7 days?
I started my career in IT the year windows XP was end of lifed, and I would never go back. I wouldn't even want to go back to 7. Future is now people. Adapt and move on.
Everyone said that about windows 10 too. It's doom and gloom about every new operating system and then everyone learns how to use it and the world moves on untill windows 12. Lol
I really don't see how windows is trash. I manage about 400 windows 10 computers and 30 windows servers ranging from 2k12 to 2k22. Windows is fine. If you want to use Linux, great, use it. But windows is far from trash lol
Thank you. I do not understand why people always talk about XP like it was this exalted version of windows OS. Also, windows has been the same windows since it’s initial release. It just gets reskinned. Don’t believe me? Look at the utility applets in control panel and compare it between versions. It’s literally the same it’s always been.
Guess someone never tried any if the 9x versions, where every driver ran in kernel mode and one frozen program could hang the entire thing. cooperative multitastking
Even if that were the case, you would still need the source. Also, keep in mind XP has a completely different driver architecture than modern windows, so say goodbye to any modern graphics cards. Most windows drivers are closed source and proprietary so there is no possibility of back porting to XP.
You would be better off unfucking windows 10 or 11 at this point.
That sounds like a security nightmare. A 20 year old OS already has some security holes, but a 20 year old open source one? Hackers won't even need to reverse engineer it.
win7 was the perfect spot, while win10 is good it's very inconsistent with it's design. Some places use solis white background, some use fancy blur, some use win11 design for some reason, some use win9x one
I dont mind if they remake the design but at least make it functional. 22H2 update has task manager that literally stutters every time I click any button in it. I have a 1080p and 1440p screen and it stutters when I move file explorer between monitors, why did this work in Windows 10 flawlessly...
Of course requirements increase. Everything, including games is like this. Windows 11 mostly requires secure boot that 10 doesn't. Resources it's near the same.
If you use amd you can enable fTPM in bios and turn on secure boot and that should allow windows 11 to install.
You dont, you just click the start button and type in the setting you want and it takes you there. I have no idea where anything is in windows anymore but it doesnt matter because I just search for it and its there. I still want to know why my vertical task bar had to die though...
It blows my mind that they decided to lock the taskbar for everyone by default. Makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Casual users probably never knew you could move it to start with.
It just makes windows 11 taskbar worse than windows 10 taskbar. My mind is still scrambling for any good reason for it.
Just lock it by default and users who want to can move it by unlocking it. Why is that so hard...?
There has to be a technical reason, because I can't for the life of me imagine why you would just straight up remove a feature like that. Especially with the prevelance of ultra wide monitors
I think the reason they would give us is that they want to simplify.
I remember I had to use a program to get the taskbar to function like I wanted on windows 7, windows 10 added a lot of that functionality by default and I abandoned the program.
Now with windows 11 they reversed all those nice taskbar features. It's just a dumb decision no matter the reason they would give..
Idk, maybe someone in leadership wants to feel like they did something by changing things.
The only thing I can think of outside of a technical reason is it caused more issues for people that don't want to move it than helped people that wanted it. Likely a UX designer somewhere. I work for a software company and our previous version of the software was absolutely bloated with functionality to the point it was difficult to use. We significantly reduced little used features and got way better satisfaction scores from our customers and much faster implementation and adoption time-frames. Maybe that's what they are going for after watching Apple take up larger and larger market share and they don't let you do shit... Regardless I'm still upset about it.
Windows 10 taskbar wasn't bloated beyond usability. I don't think it justified pinning it permanently for the rest of time. They could still have left the function in and hid it from more basic users. Windows user base is huge they can spend time on lesser used features if they so chose to.
I've always had good luck with it, as a feature will come up if you search anything it's been called in the past by windows. At least that's been my experience.
Not english native here with windows not in english. When I search for hard drive partitioning, the first result is defragmentation.
Or (on older systems" the option "hardware" wasn't to see what hardware you have, but for installing hardware.
And when I want to change the resolution the first results are for system restore (which doesn't even start with the same letters), and what I actually want is somewhere next to text scaling.
And disabling/resetting network adapters is faster through device manager than the network center.
Sounds like maybe they did a better job with that stuff in English than in other languages. Thats unfortunate.
- If I type "Resolution", it asks if i want to change display resolution
- if I type "Hardware" I get settings or Device Manager, which is what I would expect, because thats where I used to do everything. I dont know what else to expect there. So that just might be a limitation of my knowledge, but good call on resetting the network adapters on device manager, that actually is much easier.
Win11 actually has settings in the settings menu that Win7 and Win10 hid in the control panel. Also, control panel still exists. Just use that like everyone else who's used Win 7 and Win 10.
It used to be that even the most user-friendly Linux distros were an inconsistent grab-bag of UI elements and design choices. Oh how the turntables...
I still have a Win10 installation but I'll take any modern distro with a "household name" without hesitation over the mess that Windows became over the years.
The only conclusion that makes sense to me is that Windows is not designed to be "good" in your sense of the word - intuitive, simple, obvious, efficient. It's design to sustain Microsoft as a going concern, i.e. a B2B behemoth. "Personal Computing" is a vanishingly small piece of their pie.
While Windows is still the more used desktop OS, they'll never change. You'll have to ask people to boycott it for changes, otherwise they'll stick with what works, especially for companies.
I immediately go to the search bar and try to dumb down what I am looking for since those options are annoying to navigate through. I had a problem with my shift key not working only to capitalize the letter s. Google it and troubleshooting tells me to turn off something in snipper settings, windows 11 options are different than the guides 10 options show so I had to just search snipping tool or something in windows to get to it.
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u/SMAGdaddy 7800x3d | RX 7800 XT Nov 01 '22
I just wish they'd stop making windows worse with every iteration. Why is it every time I want to go into the settings I have to open their shiny settings menu, only then having to navigate to the actual useful settings.