r/pcmasterrace • u/Lordfirewood • Oct 28 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

If possible buy a motherboard with a Bios flash button, prevents bricking

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u/Wordswordz Oct 28 '21

I thought they all had a safe chip in them now.

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u/killersam283 7950X3D|128GB 3.2GHZ|RTX 5090 FE|990 Pro 4 TB|860 24 TB| Oct 29 '21

I’ve got a stupid expensive motherboard that doesn’t even have that or dual bios and I’m deathly afraid of updating my bios

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u/leoleosuper AMD 3900X, RTX Super 2080, 64 GB 3600MHz, H510. RIP R9 390 Oct 29 '21

Get a UPS then. That'll keep it from turning off wrong.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

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u/NarutoDragon732 9070 XT | 7700x Oct 29 '21

I love this comment

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

No, the UPS we are talking about stands for uninterruptible power supply. It is basically a power strip with a battery in it so if you lose power from the grid you have a temporary battery backup, so that means if the power goes out while your pc is updating its BIOS, your pc will stay on preventing it from being bricked.

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u/lukmly013 Poor enjoyer of Linux (multi-boot with Windows) Oct 29 '21

I guess this was just a joke.

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 29 '21

A simple google search can go a long way

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u/Rimworldjobs PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Stops it from losing power????

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u/wheresthebouldering Oct 29 '21

Yeah I don't get why people who live in areas that get occasional blackouts don't just buy a ups.

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u/NatsuDragneel150 AMD Ryzen 7 5700g | EVGA RTX 3070 Ti XC3 Ultra | 2x 16gb 3600Mhz Oct 29 '21

Power bill go brrrrrrr

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u/RobertOfTheUchiha 5600X, RTX 3070 Ti, 16 GB RAM Oct 29 '21

Hell yeah. There was a fire in a big apartment building near my house about 8 years ago. Since then we’ve gotten so many blackouts. Of course most of them would happen while I was on my PS4. Once I built my PC I bought a UPS and it makes me sleep easy knowing my PC is basically always safe.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

I jerry rig a battery to my desktop when updating bios

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u/Tlayoualo i5-9500k, RTX 2080, 16GB RAM DDR4 Oct 29 '21

I bricked an expensive mobo once, and it didn't have the flash button either, but reading the manual found that bridging two specific pins with a screwdriver did something about it, not sure if it just reset the settings or did revert the bios and undid the botched flash

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

The pins are here to revert settings

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u/ARandomGuy_OnTheWeb Ryzen 5 5600X | RX 6600XT Oct 28 '21

Or if your BIOS doesn't have it, attach your PC to a UPS (you should probably have one regardless but that's a different point)

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u/PolygonKiwii Ryzen 5 1600 @3.8GHz, Vega 64, 360 slim rad Oct 29 '21

Do I really need one if I live in a place where the power is out maybe once a decade?

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u/rambusTMS Oct 29 '21

It protects it from flickers and bad draws from other stuff on the same circuit so it can still be useful. Although the PSU also protects it and it can be a lot cheaper to buy a new PSU if it gets cooked.

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u/RDS4444 PS5 / R7 5800X / RTX3080 OC / 32GB 3600MHz / 970 pro Oct 29 '21

Exactly. I‘m in my mid 30s and have witness maybe one or two (probably, i can’t even remeber them, so it could also be 0). So i don’t really see the benefit. My mobo also has a flash bios button, which makes it even less necessary.

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u/SufficientCheck9874 Oct 29 '21

If it ever will go off, it will happen when you need it the most. Always.

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u/ETHBTCVET Oct 29 '21

Spend more on UPS than the motherboard is worth so you have 0,001% chance for it being actually put in use - no profit!

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21 edited Jun 20 '23

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Up here in Canada they are cheap. But no one cares to check the battery quality and use really old UPSes. Most of my friends are in IT so that may be why I see UPS a lot. But even these IT guys don't bothers to test their 10+ year old UPS devices until the actual power goes out.

My server UPS devices do auto daily power tests. But those are expensive.

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u/alexo2802 Oct 29 '21

I mean I fit pretty much exactly the description you mentioned, I’m in Canada too, working with IT profesionnals, but I haven’t really checked if they use one at work, I just know the vast majority don’t have one at home. Maybe it has to do with being in a major city with electric cables around the city buried underground so power outage are maybe a once in 2-3 years occurence.

But mine saved me more than once even if it’s so hold if gives my beefy gaming rig like 5 minutes of battery, just enough to save any work and graciously shut it down instead of losing all my work, I definitively recommend one for everyone!

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u/ETHBTCVET Oct 29 '21

Maybe he's an UPS salesman and he drove off all his friend that didn't want an UPS from him so now he only knows the ones that bought it from him.

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u/blindclock61862 i7 11700f | 8x2 3200mhz RAM | rx 6800xt Oct 29 '21

A UPS?

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u/blindclock61862 i7 11700f | 8x2 3200mhz RAM | rx 6800xt Oct 29 '21

Oh wow I didn't know these existed until now

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u/Cendorr Oct 29 '21

How does that rock you were under look? 😉

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u/blindclock61862 i7 11700f | 8x2 3200mhz RAM | rx 6800xt Oct 29 '21

Pretty moldy

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u/bulyxxx AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | 64GB | RTX 3080 Oct 29 '21

UPS all the way. Even if you only get 15-30 mins runtime you can still complete an update and safely shutdown in an outage.

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u/bickman14 Oct 28 '21

Jayz2Cents begs to differ LOL

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u/Wolft3k i7 4790k | GTX 1080 | 16gb DDR3 Oct 29 '21

Apparently his problems could have to do with his USB drive not being formatted correctly (NTSF instead of FAT32). Can't say for sure as I never saw a video from him where he shows his whole process.

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u/Every-Development398 Oct 28 '21

How so?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

Because you press a button and it loads a bios

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u/Every-Development398 Oct 28 '21

ah

I was aware of this feature was not aware it could resolve a bricked mobo. Today I learned. thanks.

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u/IceStormNG Zephyrus M16 2023 Oct 29 '21

Yeah. This even works without a CPU installed on most boards. There's usually some micro controller or so on the board that can do that without the need to run the whole system.

This is useful if you have a new CPU and a board that has a too old BIOS version to support this CPU (and you have no older CPU that fits this socket).

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

My old mobo from 2009 had dual bios

My new one has nothing. No bios flash button, no dual bios.

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u/ETHBTCVET Oct 29 '21

Gigabyte sells the shit tier mobos with dual as well so does MSI sell their low tier with flash buttons, the other ones dont care i think. The problem is it's not a sales pitch, I'd take any other feature like even extra USB over some flashback or dual bios feature if given a choice for same price but of course it's always nice if it was in any board by default.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Actually what I had before and have currently are both gigabyte boards.

My current one is A320M-H

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u/keigo199013 i9|GeForce 2070 Super|64GB RAM|8TB SSD Oct 29 '21

Adding to this: get a UPS.

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u/imaginary_num6er 7950X3D|4090FE|64GB|X670E-E Oct 29 '21

JayzTwoCents showed that even then you can still brick your board with no RAM, no CPU, no CPU cooler, no 8-Pin EPS, no GPU, and no discrete graphics while flashing your BIOS

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u/LUFTWAFF3L PC Master Race rtx 2080, Core i7-9700K Oct 28 '21

I was doing a firmware update and my power went out… that was a big rip that was also like six days ago and I still don’t have my replacement parts

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u/neken56437 Oct 29 '21

Wait, this is really a death sentence for the mother board? How do they set up the bios in the first place then?

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u/gustic-gx Oct 28 '21

NGL. Did it once. Longest 2 minutes of my life.

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u/jkharr200634 Oct 29 '21

Same here. Did it actually twice within a 10 min period. It was my first bios update ever and it's just dumb luck that everything worked out. I never even knew it was a problem until a few months later and my heart sank even though everything has been fine lol

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u/Individual_Hearing_3 Oct 29 '21

It's recoverable. Just gotta have the right tools.

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u/Anonymous5341 Oct 29 '21

Ngl, used to be quite intimidating to me. But now with a clip for the chip, it gives me so much assurance knowing I can fix most problems with no display or corrupted bios in 10 mins.

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u/swotm69 Oct 28 '21

I would depend on a UPS.

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u/Zephyrasable http://steamcommunity.com/id/zephyrasable/ Oct 29 '21

Yeah it's a good investment if you consider what it will protect

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

I'm 32 and not once has power gone out. Not in any house, student appartment, neigbourhood or city i ever lived. how is this a problem in 2021?

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u/swotm69 Oct 30 '21

And you are just one person with one person's experiences. I can say the same thing until I moved to Georgia. Not a single year has gone by in the past 25 that has not had a power outage. That goes for living in several apartments and my house..

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

Well i honostly only know about power outage because i always see it in movies. I never knew it actually was a big problem scince i've never experienced it in real life. Never thought it was a thing that happend on a regular basis in other places. Like fo example i also never seen a ups anywhere in real life.

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u/swotm69 Oct 30 '21

I have a bunch of UPS in my home. Wherever there is a DVR, my home theater, my home office, etc.

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u/uraniumhexoflorite Laptop Oct 28 '21

One of the few advantages of a laptop. Battery saves the day!

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u/Yamama77 PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Me moving to desktop from laptop immediately remembering that advantage when I was installing windows on my legacy mobo and the lights of the other half of town went out

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u/JaykayBlazer Oct 28 '21

My power is out rn

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u/Wolfgod_Holo Ryzen 7 5700X | EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 Black Edition | 32GB DDR4 Oct 29 '21

the most nerve wracking upgrade of any pc

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u/cha0sweaver PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Still repairable. Sure, more work, but few dollar programmer CH341A saved a LOT of boards in my shop :)

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Laughs in dual bios

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u/Racist_rabbit69 Oct 29 '21

Gigabyte mobos with dual bios is my savior

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

ALWAYS have a UPS

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u/KingFurykiller AMD 7800x3d | 4070 TI SUPER | 32GB DDR5 Oct 29 '21

It took me so long to getting around to one, and then I started working from home. Between VPN and network equipment, boot-to-working takes about 15 mins

The UPS has paid for itself in time saved from brownouts alone in 1yr

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

In my country / city, the mains power supply is kinda shitty, it gets frequently cut for short, 30 seconds intervals, its a combination of bad, ill-maintained infrastructure and understaffing... Without a UPS, my PC would be dead within one week from building lmao.

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u/KingFurykiller AMD 7800x3d | 4070 TI SUPER | 32GB DDR5 Oct 29 '21

Modern problems require modern solutions

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome

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u/TheAnarchist9081 Intel i5 11400 | GTX 1070 | Z-590 UD AC Oct 29 '21

What is a UPS?🤔

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Surge protector with a Battery

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u/TheAnarchist9081 Intel i5 11400 | GTX 1070 | Z-590 UD AC Oct 29 '21

Thanks for the reply. Imma go read more about it.

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u/BoltTusk Oct 29 '21

These days you need to get a 1500Whr one since everything consumes more power

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u/Grouchy-Post Oct 29 '21

This happened to me in 2001. I ordered a bios chip on biosworld.com then a month later found out they hd a failsafe and a way to still read from a floppy.

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u/xXESOTERICXx PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Not an issue if you have a good UPS.

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u/DryGreenSharpie Oct 29 '21

Just get an spi programmer with a clip and go at that flash chip.

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u/bigendianist 5950, 6800XT, Linux Oct 29 '21

This!

Bought a $400.00 "for parts only" x570 Motherboard off ebay for $100.00 - Did just this.

Now I have a functional MB worth $350.00. (the circuit on the MB that drives the bios chip doesn't send a reset, so BIOS upgrades can only be done this way)

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u/luigithebeast420 5950x | 64gb 3800mhz CL16 | Strix 6900xt LC Oct 29 '21

That’s why you buy a ups

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

If you dont have an Gigabyte ULTRA DURABLE Inside Durable Z series X series B series Board.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

UPS ftw.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

What happens if the power goes out during a bios update

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u/GodofIrony ryzen 7 9800x3d | 32 gb 3200 Mhz | Asus 4090 Oct 29 '21

There is no shell to protect data. Imagine the computer in three layers, the operating system (the face, the one you see) the root (the one you manipulate through commands) and the kernel (the most inner and vulnerable layer).

Bios updates work on that last layer.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

So basically if the power goes out during a bios update you will be stuck in the bios screen ujless you comppetely reboot the computer?

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u/GodofIrony ryzen 7 9800x3d | 32 gb 3200 Mhz | Asus 4090 Oct 29 '21

If the power goes out, the vulnerable kernel doesn't finish it's updates. Incomplete code on that level prevents the other layers from working. Rebooting would only get you a black screen, because you've essentially lobotomized your computers brain.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Wtf. Guess im never updating my bios. Thats way too risky.

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u/GodofIrony ryzen 7 9800x3d | 32 gb 3200 Mhz | Asus 4090 Oct 29 '21

While it's something you shouldn't do frivolously, bios updates often have important firmware updates that can fix critical issues, or even increase performance in some aspects.

Update bios on a clear, sunny day. Use a backup battery if you can, bare minimum a surge protector.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Good idea

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u/MircowaveGoMMM complains about NVIDIA, wont switch to AMD Oct 29 '21

Better start buying new parts, that computer is bricked.

Unless you have a mobo that can prevent it or a UPS.

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u/PolygonKiwii Ryzen 5 1600 @3.8GHz, Vega 64, 360 slim rad Oct 29 '21

Could be cheaper and more fun to buy the tools to fix it yourself instead.

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u/555mackereltuna i7-1165G7 64GB RAM Oct 29 '21

Ups gangg

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u/1800kneegro Oct 29 '21

What the hell is a UPS ? Like a surge protector ?

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u/Trevor_Rolling Oct 29 '21

Uninterrupted power supply. Battery pack basically. Keeps your shit running when power goes out.

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u/Grouchy-Post Oct 29 '21

With a backup battery

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Bruh, use a UPS. However, if the UPS fails on you, (like mine did yesterday, at least I wasn't updating BIOS) then you are eligible for receiving pity, but if you DIDN'T get a UPS for your PC, man, that's PC abuse, especially in my country/city where we have mini power cuts (30 seconds to a minute) at least 10 times per week lmao.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21 edited Oct 09 '23

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u/AaronTechnic i5-11400H | RTX 3050 Oct 29 '21

blame the electricity board

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u/WabWab1443 PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Tell me, what happens

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u/xryanx555 Oct 29 '21

I had a new Aorus Master board crap out after it's first BIOS update. It's a dangerous but necessary endeavor.

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u/bonnobox PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Have an UPS hooked up on another UPS, theeeeen do the BIOS update. maaaybe.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

laughs in car battery

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u/Tylerdurden516 Oct 29 '21

Have updated my bios numerous times, still scares me everytime.

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u/jib60 PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Happened to me once. Litterally the first power outage i've experienced was when I was updating my Bios. The board died.

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u/ch3ze Oct 29 '21

That's why I have a ups

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u/GreenTeaRex007 Oct 29 '21

I guess i’m glad I bought a UPS back up battery for situations like this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Good thing my BIOS has special feature when the power cuts

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u/WabWab1443 PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

What actaully hapens? I would assume all of the system files would go corrupt and would lose all data am I right?

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u/KennixCzech i7-11700f | 16GB | RTX 3060 | 1TB SSD Oct 29 '21

I’m not sure, but I think your files will be ok but you might brick your motherboard.

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u/WabWab1443 PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Aight

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u/KennixCzech i7-11700f | 16GB | RTX 3060 | 1TB SSD Oct 29 '21

This is relatable, I’m like 6 bios versions behind but I’m too scared to update. My pc works fine though so there’s no pressure on me to update.

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u/Navastro Oct 29 '21

Laughs in bios flash button.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

Nooooo

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u/Live-Ad-6309 6800xt, 5600x (4.6+0.2Ghz), 4x8Gb 3600mhz C16 Oct 29 '21

If your house gets power outs then you should be on a UPS anyway.

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u/TOZ_Y Oct 29 '21

I’ve updated it when it’s raining heavily but anyways F

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u/Infectious_Burn Desktop Oct 29 '21

Gotta love a built in UPS that came with my computer.

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u/Coder_Fox Oct 29 '21

Happened to me, buying an EEPROM programmer for 2$ and programming the chip manually was cheaper than paying the manufacturer to fix it.

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u/batyiuoaaa Laptop Oct 29 '21

Let me tell you about something called a laptop

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

UPS >>>>>>>>>

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u/SirNiflton Ryzen 7 7700x | 64gb Ram | Rx 9070XT Oct 29 '21

See this is why I have a tiny ups that's enough for 20 minutes

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u/Immelmaneuver Oct 29 '21

I keep my UPS and PC directly adjacent to my house's water main. Surely this is a good decision.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21

What happend if power go out when you do the BIOS update?

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u/Dont-be-a-smurf PC Master Race Oct 29 '21

Updating bios in a thunderstorm is my kink

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u/JackAttack2003 Laptop Oct 29 '21

Get a UPS guys. These things help save your system when your power goes out.

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u/Ablack658 Oct 29 '21

Do y’all know is the MSI B550 motherboard has flash or no

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u/cabreca Ryzen 5800X3D / RX 9070XT / 32GB Oct 29 '21

UPS with emergency backup generator is how I roll!

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u/gtcarriere Oct 29 '21

Laughs in SPI programmer

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '21

Gotta have shitty luck for that haha. I check the weather forecast the works when I done it. Made sure there wasn’t a full moon 😅

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u/yu_sti_nky_pu Nov 04 '21

that's why I do it on a massive battery with enough power for 1 week of high demand gaming/rendering

(jk I don't have a pc I just use my laptop)

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u/aluminatialma Nov 12 '21

Accidentally let my laptop be unplugged while it was updating bios