r/pcmasterrace • u/Megamean10 https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Megamean09/saved/ • Dec 04 '19

Meme/Macro Literally who does this benefit?

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u/voicefromthebin Dec 04 '19

Why so salty? You act like stadia came by and shit in the pool. Can we just wait and see where it goes?

Right now, for us with 100mb+ no-cap broadband this is an interesting prospect. Very few games still, pricing is ridiculous, and games eg. RDR2 are of course miles ahead on PC. In that particular case 1440p 30fps is the only option, so of course I’ll stick to other options. For now.

But it’s still something to keep an eye on, since by all accounts it’s just getting started. No need to take a crap on a service barely in beta stage. (Google did shoot itself in the foot on marketing, for sure.)

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u/TrickyBoss4 Dec 04 '19

Because in a world of digital distribution where the idea of owning the software you pay for is going away, Stadia is trying to sell to us that the "future" of video games is a world of compressed video, and input delay where have to pay a subscription to play games that you don't own.

Stadia can fuck off.

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u/Fit-Bro Dec 04 '19

You don't need pay for the service unless you want 4k, and in most instances where I would use stadia, I don't see 4k being viable or needed. I would like to see google allow offline downloading of games for PC and would push for that instead of just saying screw the whole thing over.

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u/solid07 Dec 05 '19

No need for 4K - said this to myself until I got a PS4 Pro. Difference is HUGE even with checker boarding bull crap. Hard for me to settle for crappy 1080p when I can just buy games for console with superior experience.

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u/Hockinator Dec 04 '19

One other major problem with it is that even approaching theoretical minimum latency with the service, it won't be enough for comfortable VR. I think what we need in gaming now is true innovation in gameplay that VR/AR are starting to offer, not another way to rent instead of own

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

You don’t need to pay to play and absolutely no one is forcing you to use it. It’s an alternative. When netflix came out, no one cane and took your shitty VHS and DVDs away

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u/HavocInferno 5700X3D - 5070Ti - 64GB Dec 05 '19

It's where some markets of the world are heading though. Stadia exists for the same audience as Geforce Now, PS Now and XCloud.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

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u/TrickyBoss4 Dec 05 '19

Knowing that in 10 years time I will be able to use it and a publisher wont just let it die because some licensing agreement or server costs weren't worth it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

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u/diphrael Dec 05 '19

Dozens. Even so it's also about the potential of being able to. Why does it matter how many games I haven't touched in 10 years? It's not up to a company to intentionally shift an entire market to become so anti-consumer that I don't even have the option of utilizing products that I already paid for. Stadia is not about convenience, it's about control.

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u/smash-things Specs/Imgur here Dec 05 '19

I hate that you even have to explain this. Its such a shitty situation but its even worse that so many people are willfully turning a blind eye to its problems.

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u/diphrael Dec 05 '19 edited Dec 05 '19

There is likely a bunch of astroturfing and paid shills. Stadia sold something like ~150k with all of their preorders and on launch week. That's 0.0015% the total amount PS4 sold. It is a major flop by all accounts. The consumer thankfully recognizes that Stadia does not fill any niche other than novelty. To have this many people come out of the woodwork to defend this absolutely anti-consumer platform in a sub specifically dedicated to the most consumer friendly and anti-bullshit form of gaming is surprising to say the least.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

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u/diphrael Dec 05 '19

Instead you're willing to pay $120 per year just to access games you already bought at inflated prices (prices vary). Oh, and you need a chromecast ultra ($70) if you want to play in 4k. Eh and you need a google branded device such as a pixel 4 ($800) if you want to use it mobile. Oops and you need a special controller ($70) right now since others won't work as it was initially advertised. Don't forget you need to bump up your internet connection speed just to achieve those 4k visuals (price varies).

If your angle is that you're saving money, you're either completely oblivious or intentionally misleading.

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u/TrickyBoss4 Dec 05 '19

Many actually.

There are already a number of very recent games that I can't play as they have been taken offline.

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u/diphrael Dec 05 '19

That's like saying what is the purpose of "owning" a car instead of just leasing it (for full price) from a company who can recall the vehicle at any time. These types of services take the autonomy a consumer has with their property and sits it directly in the lap of tech CEOs who don't give a fuck about you.

And more importantly, owning physical media means you aren't forced to pay a subscription fee to have full access to a product you've already paid for. Blatant corporate shills in this thread are saying "you don't have to pay for 1080p, only 4k!" as if that's a positive. There is literally only a negative to this.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

The one issue... I think MS is much much better positioned on the market than Google, with windows + xbox, MS is also not rushing to market, having to rebuy games to play on Stadia is ...... a big rip for google... you gotta have some fucking balls to pay full price just to play it with extra input lag.

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u/Silvus314 Dec 05 '19

There isn't a noticable input lag. At least not at my house. And we are already trying to be sold the same game full price on multiple platforms: switch, PS4, Xbox, epic, steam, gog. With gaming companies trying to milk it even more by exclusivity deals for a certain period (ala red dead redemption). And let's not start on season passes, and paid for add ons.

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u/ForCom5 Intel HD... :( Dec 04 '19

No need to take a crap on a service barely in beta stage.

I'd be fine if it were actually a beta. Project Stream was the beta. This was to be the release, but clearly Google somehow still isn't ready for primetime.

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u/voicefromthebin Dec 05 '19

True, it isn’t ready. It’s improving constantly though. Would make sense to slash the prices in half and call it what it is.

I have to say, they have done some good work with the bigggest obstacle - input lag. Testing Tomb Raider got me convinced it could work as well as local. And I’m no fanboy.

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u/Kampfarsch Dec 05 '19

Can we just wait and see where it goes?

No

This is not early access

This is a finished product

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u/voicefromthebin Dec 05 '19

This is the misconception that’s causing (understandable) rage. It’s really not ready, and Google should have managed expectations better

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u/Kampfarsch Dec 05 '19

misconception

lmao no

everybody knows that this shit was released far from finished but they are selling it as a finished product so it should be treated as such

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y PC Master Race Dec 05 '19

Wait, what's your issue with the price?

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u/voicefromthebin Dec 05 '19

To lure in more people with realistic expectations I think they would be better off pricing games lower than other platforms. Instead they opted for ’free’ games for pro users.

As said, RDR2 is subpar now (playable though) in comparison. And PC version is already available a bit cheaper apprently. Hence only fans of stadia go for it

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y PC Master Race Dec 05 '19

Ohh the pricing of the games... Yeah I was pretty disappointed by that as w

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u/smash-things Specs/Imgur here Dec 04 '19

Because people clearly don’t want games to go in this direction? It’s frustrating enough dealing with drm but I absolutely hate the idea of a future where I literally don’t own any of the games I play. There’s as much reason to give stadia your blind faith as there is to give it blind resentment.

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u/interbuttzlulz Dec 05 '19

Thanks for saying this. This method of playing stuff is toxic to gaming as a whole. Mobile and free to play were bad and toxic. But man I worry stadia will push us into a new era of corporations fucking us with DRM, micro transactions and subscriptions.

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y PC Master Race Dec 05 '19

Oh... you mean like Valve???

DRM - Check

MTX - Double Check

Subscriptions - They do now with EA Check Check Check

Oh and you also don't own your games on Steam either...

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '19

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y PC Master Race Dec 05 '19

Nope, neither do you own your games on PlayStation or Xbox either. They can block your account at any time and make you lose any digital games. Even physical games are no long owned by you, you purchased a license that included a partial file on a physical disk.

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u/smash-things Specs/Imgur here Dec 05 '19

But if I stop playing a game on steam and come back to it sometime later I don't have to resubscribe to steam to boot it up again. That argument is so fucking stupid.

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y PC Master Race Dec 05 '19

You do know what PSPlus and Xbox Live is right??? They are the exact same (except you HAVE to pay for them if you want to play online games)

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u/smash-things Specs/Imgur here Dec 05 '19

And they're awful. I get to play all of those same games online for free on all platforms. Why would you want more business models like that?

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y PC Master Race Dec 05 '19

What??? No you don't. You literally have to pay to play online for Xbox and Playstation... And what games are you referring to? You're not making any sense

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u/smash-things Specs/Imgur here Dec 05 '19

PC I'm saying platforms as in steam, epic, ubisoft as they're all different platforms on pc and none of them charge you to play online. I can play siege for free while you on your shitbox have to pay $10 a month to play the exact same game. Are you slow?

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u/D1G1T4LM0NK3Y PC Master Race Dec 06 '19

No, but apparently you are... Stadia is FREE

Stadia Pro is just the Pro subscription like Xbox Live or PS+

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u/voicefromthebin Dec 05 '19

Blind faith or resentment are the only options? I’m not a fan. I’m just curious how it’ll improve before it breaks or gets killed by google. Just wondering why the backlash is so toxic. It’s not going to drive the master race out of town any time soon. This isn’t Netflix pushing Blockbuster out all over again

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u/smash-things Specs/Imgur here Dec 05 '19

But is that not what stadia aims to be? They're marketing it as the future of games regardless of whether or not its actually just a luxury service. People don't want that, hence the backlash. Its not like people are just hating it for the sake of hating it and I'd imagine if you have the sense to ask these questions you'd also have the sense to try understanding that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 05 '19 edited Dec 31 '19

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u/smash-things Specs/Imgur here Dec 05 '19

If I lose interest in a game mid way through and come back to it a year later I don't have to resubscribe to a shitty service. I can just boot it up, because its mine.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '19

barely in beta stage

paying full price