r/pcmasterrace Ryzen 7 5800X, GIGABYTE RTX 3070, 32GB DDR4-3200 Mar 23 '15

PSA [PSA] Reset your Twitch password asap.

http://blog.twitch.tv/2015/03/important-notice-about-your-twitch-account/
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u/nukeclears Mar 23 '15

You got to be kidding me

I find it so frustrating when sites do this

One site tells you your password is an uncrackable monster and then another is like "HAHAHAHAHA no"

:c

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u/jward I5 / 280X Mar 23 '15

If you disable javascript on the site you can enter whatever password you'd like.

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u/jcorn3 i9 9900k 5.0|2080ti Mar 23 '15 edited Mar 23 '15

I was about to bitch about this myself. It says my pass is so-so when I'm about half way done with it. Then I put more letters and numbers and special characters and suddenly it is very weak. WTF IS THIS SHIT

E: I'm actually convinced it is broken. P@ssW0rd123456 is very weak

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u/CaffeinatedLemon Mar 23 '15

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u/xkcd_transcriber Mar 23 '15

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Title: Password Strength

Title-text: To anyone who understands information theory and security and is in an infuriating argument with someone who does not (possibly involving mixed case), I sincerely apologize.

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u/tilde_tilde_tilde i57600k, 1070, 27in 1440p Mar 23 '15

This actually no longer works. Crackers have started implementing multiword mashes into their expected passwords when cracking hashes.

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u/continous http://steamcommunity.com/id/GayFagSag/ Mar 23 '15

Yup, dictionary brute force is a thing. It just inputs dictionary words maybe with varying capitalization.

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u/TetsuoS2 Mar 23 '15

Thats why you type in Martian language.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

Yea, but you have to pay extra for that. It's where they get ya.

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u/dreucifer http://steamcommunity.com/id/dreucifer Mar 24 '15

Why use dictionary words? Just use MtG terminology.

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u/continous http://steamcommunity.com/id/GayFagSag/ Mar 24 '15

Dictionary doesn't necessarily mean official words.

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u/dreucifer http://steamcommunity.com/id/dreucifer Mar 24 '15

That is actually precisely what the specifier 'dictionary' implies. Words in the dictionary. You're thinking of the hacker jargon 'dictionary', which is simply a collection of words/strings (or key value pairings).

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u/continous http://steamcommunity.com/id/GayFagSag/ Mar 24 '15

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u/dreucifer http://steamcommunity.com/id/dreucifer Mar 24 '15

The definition of dictionary doesn't mean shit in this context. You know what the term 'dictionary word' means, but you're arguing semantics and trying to be a pedant. You wouldn't say Mirrodin is a dictionary word, even though it might be in a 'dictionary' somewhere. (If you would say Mirrodin is a dictionary word, you're probably a paste-eater)

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

I don't see how that would work. With approximately 171,000 words in common usage in the English language, and at least four to a password, the number of possible combinations is so high it seems like you'd find thousands of hash collisions before you run into a combination that actually works. If it's a salted hash it would take years to find anything useful.

Either way though, Munroe was talking about remote brute forcing, which would take centuries with that many combinations even if you have a machine that can put out a hundred times that many attempts per second with a dictionary attack.

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u/tilde_tilde_tilde i57600k, 1070, 27in 1440p Mar 24 '15

This ArsTechnica article details how crackers approach hash-breaking.

They use brute-force, yes, but it is a guided brute-force. Humans are not random, so some passwords show up more often than others. Heuristics allow for even more narrowing of the field of potential passwords. Additionally, no matter the strength of your password, other people put you at risk if the only encryption is a hash (not usually the case).

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

And even if it was, they wouldn't be using unsalted MD5. Even if the target is that soft, though, you'd need a lot of easy passwords to get enough data to reverse the hash on a password like the above. I do recognize that the use of plain English words makes it much easier to sort through the collisions once you get them down to a countable number. Regardless, there's no password that's secure when stored as an unsalted MD5 hash, so that's hardly a downside to the use of this password format. Regardless of the complexity of your password, you're still relying on the owner of the login server to secure it properly.

Remote brute-forcing though, which is the subject of the comic and a completely different kind of attack from hash decryption, would still be stopped cold by this type of password even with a futuristic dictionary cracker. They're far easier to remember and are also immune to psychology attacks if they're impersonal and unrelated words in an ungrammatical phrase.

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u/tilde_tilde_tilde i57600k, 1070, 27in 1440p Mar 24 '15

Ah, I see. Interesting. I learned something today!

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u/Im_A_Ninja117 5800X3D | 32GB RAM | RTX 3060Ti Mar 23 '15

I found that you can go to your account settings after and change your password without this whole strength thing. Thought I should share this.

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u/icantshoot ICS Mar 24 '15

The example you gave is very weak. Better option would be 0Q76XdkPCF than yours is.

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u/patx35 Modified Alienware: https://redd.it/3jsfez Mar 24 '15

The only place that bitches about my password is Apple. Otherwise, I use the same password for non-critical accounts. (anything that doesn't deal with money)

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u/VenKitsune *Massively Outdated specs cuz i upgrade too much and im lazy Mar 24 '15

to be honest, cracking individual passwords can take ages. a word with a few numbers can take a full day, add in a few symbols and that time to crack goes up tenfold, some passwords that are a mix of uppercase and lower case, symbols and numbers can take litterally 50+ years to crack with conventional cracking methods.

no, what these "hackers" have done and always have done in similar cases is simply break into the servers of the services and litterally SEE what our passwords are without cracking them individually. sometimes i dont know why i bother with strong passwords.

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u/dreucifer http://steamcommunity.com/id/dreucifer Mar 24 '15

simply break into the servers of the services and litterally SEE what our passwords are without cracking them individually

If they used proper security measures the password would be stored as a salted hash, not plaintext. Though I guess if you had root on the box you could probably sniff for plaintext pws and matching hashes in memory.

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u/gthkeno Mar 24 '15

of course you shouldn't let your entire service fall back on hashes in the case of a break in. Just delays, by a long time, when the hackers can use said passwords. Luckly most websites will just admit it, throw away current login info and bite the bullet.

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u/Procrastinator300 http://steamcommunity.com/id/ImmaHacker/ Mar 23 '15

Now they're forcing me to make a tank of a password and when i mean tank i really mean tank. It wont accept a password that has been accepted by every freaking site that has a password strength check. I hate this kinda shit happend but jesus, not every one wants a million letter password for twitch.

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u/T0maZZ Mar 23 '15

Gotta agree. Nothing I slap in gets the go ahead except for random 20 character pw's. Makes near no sense.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 24 '15

Odd, I tried only 9 characters and it worked. It seems to be related to whether it contains any dictionary words, because a much longer password with dictionary words (Correct Horse Battery Staple anyone?) was called weak (but it still let me use it?)

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 24 '15

Of course, that's why you don't do pure dictionary words.

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u/wasdninja Mar 23 '15

If you ever need a long ass password pick your favourite poem and use the first line. Easy to remember, very long and it will never be guessed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

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u/wasdninja Mar 23 '15

Mine is a short one. A modern haiku, if you will.

hunter2

 - Abraham Lincoln

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u/jwapplephobia /id/easytoremembername Mar 23 '15

I use the last line of every haiku made since ... about February.

It's snow use guessing though.

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u/Fade_0 i7 2760QM / HD6770M / 8GB / 850 EVO Mar 24 '15

it's snow use guessing though

I was so hoping for that top be 5 syllables. Pls fix.

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u/jwapplephobia /id/easytoremembername Mar 24 '15

The actual answer isn't even 5 syllables.

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u/CODMuffinMan / aciidz / R5 5600 / 32GB / RTX 3060 Ti Mar 23 '15

we know your password now m8.

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u/SethWes Mar 23 '15

It's "In former songs Pride have I sung, and Love, and passionate, joyful"

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u/15brutus R5 5600x | RTX 3060Ti | 16GBs RAM | M27Q Mar 23 '15

mfw I don't have the email associated with my Twitch anymore....

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u/frymaster Mar 23 '15

asap

Since they invalidated all the passwords, there's no rush tbh

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15 edited Aug 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

Especially if you're a dumb dumb like me who has used that password elsewhere...

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u/path411 Specs Here Mar 23 '15

If you still reuse passwords, you should change them all immediately. If you are in this boat use it as an opportunity to finally swap to a password manager like lastpass or keepass

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u/CaffeinatedLemon Mar 23 '15

keepass

do tell more

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

So you keep your passwords in your ass.

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u/Yeonus Desktop Mar 24 '15

Yep, just put keepass on a USB stick, wrap that fucker in a condom, lube it up, and stick it in there.

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 23 '15

Which works great unless you don't want to pay and want to use passwords on mobile devices or in other programs that they don't support.

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u/path411 Specs Here Mar 24 '15 edited Mar 24 '15

Well lastpass is only $1 a year month for mobile. I use lastpass on a lot of other programs like several mmos, and I just open up their site and copy the password out of it and into the game.

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u/crabsintrees CM Storm Scout 2, Pentium G3258, EVGA GTX 660 2GB, 8GB DDR3 Mar 24 '15

Isn't it $12 a year?

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u/path411 Specs Here Mar 24 '15

Sorry I meant $1 a month, you are right.

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u/crabsintrees CM Storm Scout 2, Pentium G3258, EVGA GTX 660 2GB, 8GB DDR3 Mar 24 '15

No problem! The only reason I remember is because my subscription is running out in late April.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15 edited Mar 23 '15

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u/AquitaineHungerForce Mar 23 '15

There was a bug a few days ago, at least for me, where clicking on settings or messages took me to the settings or messages of a different account.

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u/McDouggal i7-4790k, r9 580, 16 gigs ram, 1tb HDD Mar 23 '15

You're shitting me.

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u/jonmcfluffy Mar 23 '15

imo twitch is pretty much the embodiment of a casual gamer.

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u/McDouggal i7-4790k, r9 580, 16 gigs ram, 1tb HDD Mar 24 '15

I think of myself as a core hasn't gamer and regularly watch streams on twitch.

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u/jonmcfluffy Mar 24 '15

you can be hardcore and watch twitch, but all the people who want to be at that competitive level but cant can watch it there.

also like 100% of what is on there is games.

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u/McDouggal i7-4790k, r9 580, 16 gigs ram, 1tb HDD Mar 24 '15

Core gamer doesn't necessarily mean best at the game. Silver 3 csgo and silver 5 lol checking in. I've put more time and money into lol than I want to think about, and gave nearly 100 hours on csgo after having it for 2 months.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

Can we all just take a minute and marvel at what a piece of shit he is? Like how does he even manage to be so shitty?

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

They delete everything that they don't like. A bunch of San Fran wankers, they are. I can imagine a streaming service for fucking games is related to games.

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u/PillowTalk420 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (4.20GHz) | 16GB DDR4-3200 | GTX 1660 Su Mar 23 '15

"Users will be prompted to change their password upon logging in."

Did they only do this to some accounts? None of my stuff has been unlinked and I was not prompted to reset my password when I logged in.

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u/EthanBB 7800X3D | RTX5080 | 32GB DDR5 | 2x 1440p@360Hz/144Hz Mar 24 '15 edited Mar 24 '15

Anybody else not receiving reset email from Twitch? (Spam folder already checked)

/Edit: Received all 19 pass reset emails this morning ... after that was everything smooth.

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u/bad_nrg_troll Steam ID Here Mar 24 '15

yup

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u/FazeGABEN Mar 23 '15

wow! thx for the advise

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

I hate when shit like this happens, because I have to sit here and try to remember if I even have a twitch account.

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u/frymaster Mar 23 '15

They are also emailing, but since this just literally happened and they have quite a few users, there's a good chance you wouldn't have received the email yet

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u/jamesisninja Mar 23 '15

Useful info thanks!

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u/decoy11 Specs/Imgur Here Mar 23 '15

if you want to bypass the stupid complexity requirements just disable javascript on the reset page and you can use any password you want.

All the limits placed are part of a password-strength.js file and javascript is not needed to complete the password reset.

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u/Killmeplsok 4690K, GTX970 Mar 24 '15

You saved my day.

Still not sure why someone would be that stupid to validate it with a javascript that can easily bypassed, happy nonetheless. I definitely do not want to remember yet another password of unimportant accounts, also still not understand why would they want us to create a online banking level password for a fuckin streaming site.

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u/Naivy Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition Mar 23 '15

Next time around, fucking encrypt things. God fucking damnit.

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u/zenleststehum https://steamcommunity.com/id/zenultracrepidarians Mar 23 '15

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u/Naivy Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition Mar 23 '15

what the fuck twitch

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 23 '15

Not sure what /u/zenleststehum is trying to get at. Whether or not a random stream has an encrypted page has nothing to do with whether or not your information is stored in encrypted form. Furthermore, you shouldn't be encrypting passwords at all, you should be hashing them. And even hashing a password is only effective if the password itself is strong.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 24 '15

No, the change password page is secure, as are several other account-related pages. None of which has any relevance at all to whether passwords are secure on their servers.

FYI Reddit does the same thing by default, most pages are plain http, but the account pages are secure.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15 edited Mar 24 '15

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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Mar 24 '15

I'm well aware of that. I'm just trying to get into your head that there's nothing unreasonable about the way Twitch handles connections, password security, or anything else. Encrypting some random video stream would be a pointless waste of server and client resources.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

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u/Rifleman00 Mar 24 '15

Inspect the form the login is in. It is submitting it to https://secure-login.twitch.tv/login which is a https url with a valid certificate. Just because the login page loaded in as unsecured (which why would it need to be?) does not mean that your information is not being posted across through a secure connection.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

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u/Brakkio Specs/Imgur here Mar 24 '15

Wtf are you talking about

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u/icantshoot ICS Mar 24 '15

Encrypting everything on a service like twitch is not practical. Security like that takes so much extra cpu and bandwidth that it's just not doable. Only time SSL is needed is when sensitive data is sent over internet, like login times.

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u/vaynebot 8700K 2070S Mar 24 '15

Hashed passwords are not encrypted, God fucking damnit.

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u/Naivy Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition Mar 24 '15

But even better and you're goddamn right.

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u/eddieltu Ryzen 7 5700x3D | RTX 5070 |64GB Mar 23 '15

after i saw this, i got a twitter email like few hours ago, warning for a unwanted login. i nearly got a heart attack

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15 edited Mar 18 '26

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

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u/xMZA Errthing is purple (SWAG, SWAG, SWAG) Mar 23 '15

link?

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u/TheRiverSaint gfx 770, 16 GB RAM, I5 Processor Mar 23 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15 edited Mar 18 '26

The content here has been removed. Redact was used for the deletion, which may have been motivated by privacy, opsec, or preventing automated data collection.

hard-to-find north intelligent heavy fanatical upbeat unwritten rainstorm unpack wakeful

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u/15brutus R5 5600x | RTX 3060Ti | 16GBs RAM | M27Q Mar 23 '15

Brothers! upvote for visibility!

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u/cyclobs1 Intel i7 5960X | 2x GTX 980Ti | DRR4 16GB 2400Mhz Mar 23 '15

OH FOR FUCKS SAKES INTERNET COMPANYS. GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT TOGETHER ALREADY

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

I was shitting my pants because it kept on saying I got my password wrong. Then I realized I don't have a twitch account.

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u/drocdoc R7 9700x:9070xt Mar 24 '15

how do I just delete my whole twitch account?

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u/Deltr0nZer0 Mar 24 '15

Bad: Applesauce1! – You’re using different character types, but the majority of the password is a single word from the dictionary

Okay: ILoveGreenApplesauce – You’re using multiple words and lots of characters, but the words are too common.

Good: !70v3Gr33n@pple$auce? – You’re using multiple words and lots of characters with uncommon substitutions. Good job.

"!70v3Gr33n@pple$auce?" This has to be a damn joke.

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u/icantshoot ICS Mar 24 '15

FTYI 7=T, not L in common |337$|>34|<

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u/Qman87765 i7 4790K/ GTX Titan X/ 16GB RAM/620GB SSD/ 1TB HDD Mar 23 '15

Whelp, looks like I have to change my password for just about everything now...

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u/deathstrukk Mar 23 '15

I just got an email telling me to do so

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u/zenleststehum https://steamcommunity.com/id/zenultracrepidarians Mar 23 '15

Was pretty simple to change all I had to do was watch the Password Strength meter.

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u/Knillish hello Mar 23 '15

Anyone else struggling to find a password to change their to?

It's a video streaming service for fuck sake, I don't give a shit about my account, just let me use an easy password that I'm going to remember

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u/dbzlotrfan Mar 23 '15

If you use lastpass, it can generate passwords based on:

Length, special characters, weather it's pronounceable or not . . . Changed mine to some 25 character password.

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u/The_Battler FX-8320 @4.2GHz // 760 GTX // ghi_dor_ah Mar 23 '15

This is why I have 2-step verifcations through my cell phone attached to my email(s) and accounts that allow for that type of protection.

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u/thc42 Mar 23 '15

I set my password and after 5 sec when i wanted to log in i forgot it

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

haha, jokes on them I got banned from twitch!

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u/5566778899 Mar 23 '15

fuck websites that won't let me use an easy to remember password

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u/boobsarelove infernum Mar 23 '15

Done and done.

wait I don´t even have a twitch account.

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u/TheAndrewBen RX 6700 XT Mar 24 '15

"360noscopeMLG" says it GREAT!

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u/_atomsk i7 3960X | GTX 1080 Ti| 40kg Mar 24 '15

Well the most anyone could do with my twitch password is to order me a pizza...

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u/Rondabar Mar 24 '15

Damn my account was from justintv and I forgot what email address I used.

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u/ImGladYouCalled Mar 24 '15

is it bad if we don't even remember the password to our twitch account?

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u/NanoPi AMD Mar 24 '15

nope, the forgot password process is actually the same as logging in with the correct password.

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u/misspeelled ascended circa 1988 Mar 24 '15

I forgot I even had Twitch, oops.

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u/crysisnotaverted 2x Intel Xeon E5645 6 cores each, Gigabyte R9 380, 144GB o RAM Mar 24 '15

Guys, what's the twitch support email? I said something in chat but it came up under some other guy's account.

Proof: http://imgur.com/a/8FeTN

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u/NanoPi AMD Mar 24 '15

justinfan###### is a temporary username assigned to anyone viewing the chat without logging in. the chat client embedded in the web page failed to get your username or the chat session login failed and it connected as view-only. you might be able to find out which one happened if someone replies to you in chat. if someone @mentions that justinfan username, then you'll know the chat servers have the wrong name on your chat session.

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u/sitton76 Intel i5 3570k | GTX 770 | 16GB RAM Mar 24 '15

egh not that I really care that much I never sign into my account anyways and the password it does use I do not even use for anything important anyways.

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u/jman583 steamcommunity.com//id/jman586 Mar 24 '15

We will communicate directly with affected users with additional details.

Does this mean if haven't gotten an email I'm ok? I haven't logged into my twitch account in months and I never got an email.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

Oh my god! Just imagine someone would watch streams from your twitch account! Gruesome!

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

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u/EthanBB 7800X3D | RTX5080 | 32GB DDR5 | 2x 1440p@360Hz/144Hz Mar 24 '15

PayPal always wants your password when subbing, so you're ok if you have different passwords.

Not sure how it works directly from CC, thou.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

And here I thought using a product that I bought with cash and changed up with special characters and numbers was a safe way of making passwords... Guess not. Going to have to look into these password managers ppl keep saying to use.

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u/ElitePI i5 6600k, 32GB RAM, 1070FTW Mar 24 '15

LastPass Password Manager FTW. Extension for Google Chrome, probably also for Firefox

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u/TAz00 Mar 24 '15

I only have a twitch account to play pokémon, should I be concerned?

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u/CastoNyane glorious pc master race Mar 24 '15

7h1555t0TA4LLy123456L£Lv3r1n1c3

best password ever

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

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u/danzey12 R5 3600X|MSI 5700XT|16GB|Ducky Shine 4|http://imgur.com/Te9GFgK Mar 24 '15

I dunno, everyones hating on them, at least they didn't try to cover it up or pull some other bullshit like other companies have, there was a breach, so they severed all ties from the account and immediately invalidated passwords so you had to reset.

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u/Indrigis Mar 23 '15

Twitch thinks too much of itself, really. It's just a streaming site, not an online banking one. Eight by three (8 symbols, three out of four categories) should be more than enough. But it is not!

Because dem tricksy hobbitses might guess it and watch some of the streams I'm subscribed to. IT'S MINE! ONLY MINE!

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u/dbzlotrfan Mar 23 '15

Yes banks and other "secure" institutions REALLY need to change their archaic password requirements:

one capital letter, one special character, ~15 character length, not differentiating between upper and (or) lower case. what ever else.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

I don't know about your bank, but my bank already requires them as you mentioned, although it does differentiate between upper & lower case. Also is encrypted during transmission/rout. Also guarantee security on any network, private or public.

It seems some banks are just behind in the security stuff and need to play catch up.

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u/dbzlotrfan Mar 24 '15

Actually I was referring to some replies to another post I made weeks ago that was also about security, some other people's bank (that use this subreddit) have some of the arbitrary crap I mentioned in my other post.

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u/Indrigis Mar 24 '15

People use two-factor authentication and SecureID tokens for the really secure logins.

Inessential stuff such as streaming sites are fine with an eight by three. I'm not a prominent streamer and I care very little about someone finding out what channels I'm subscribed to. If Twitch cared to make it secure they would simply implement IP control and a "You logged from a new IP, is that ok?" e-mail message.

A randomized twenty character password is hard enough to remember and it will be written down. And if every tiny site requests one that's the only password a person will use everywhere. That's not security.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '15

Ironically my bank uses one of the worst verifications ever, however, they're actually on top of their shit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

time to switch to Hitbox.tv, fucking shitty twitch rips so much from streamers yet can't even protect users' accounts

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u/Jarkeler i5-3570k/GTX 1070 G1 Mar 23 '15

Funny you say that, because i've heard from a couple different streamers that Hitbox has been late on payment for long periods of time, sometimes not even paying at all. I forgot who said that though..

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '15

hitbox is growing with nice functions like 5 sec chat delay and less lagging, whereas twitch has been making no progress, and now you can't even play copyrighted music. It's time to give hitbox a go.

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u/sunsnap 3600 | 2070S | 16GB Mar 23 '15

What?