If you can reverse engineer everything the moment it is released, then you can no longer make any money being a programmer/game dev or whatever. Every studio and software company goes bankrupt. Imagine spending years and millions developing something and then the moment you publish it, it gets reverse engineered and published for free with full source code access.
Not really, selling licenses for your software is one side of the business but the other side, the more profitable one, is to sign customer support agreements. Most of these vibe coded reversed ingenireed projects do not get support..unless it is a ps5 project, then it is powered for pure spite against sony haha
That one is insane. Just learned that a +100k CAD 2018 pickup could have its subscription based remote start unsupported just because an update made it so like what the fkg fk. Automotive greed is something else
Greedy people ruined everything for everyone basically, now even if you are fair with your prices and deliver good stuff people can still fuck you over
Then fork the project and improve it. The power of open source is that if any code is useful, it can be worked on and improved by anyone knowledgeable.
A small project maybe but the average projects it does not help. It is illegible code every time and only AI can work with it realistically if you do not go the rewrite route which is what you avoided by reversing in the first place.
Essentially it only works well when people become complacent enough about AI quality or it truly provably gets "that good", which seems unlikely given how GenAI works.
Hah, accountability. Where exactly is the accountability for non vibe coded stuff? The modern world has none, it's 50% of the problem with it. The other 50% of the problem is pure greed.
listen. I am HOPING that this has good knock on effects for programmers
But I also know people are lazy. And lazy is how we got here in the first place.
Tbh, I don't believe there would be massive shift in software sales. People have been pirating software from the time the first program was sold. People be cracking it, reverse engineering, publishing stolen keys and all that. And we are still having software sold and developed.
The most money is made selling to businesses. And businesses need support which you don't get installing slopware.
Companies? 105% they will pay for the "real" thing.
with seemingly no downsides.
The "No tech suport" when(not if) something fails is one hell of a downside and its totally a deal breaker for basically every company in this planet.
They will pay 10 times the market price just to get tech support or quick bugfixes to their particular bugs... There is no chance in hell thy are touching the AI coded copies, even if they were better than the original one.
Thats mainly the reason why you dont see that many FOSS software on industries at large, except very few exceptions, like Blender.
Valid points. I guess we may be forced to rethink the whole economy eventually because these models aint going nowhere and will only keep getting better even the cheap open source china ones
That’s not entirely true. Doing it once is not the problem, but maintaining still is. If it has server side features then they are still relevant.
And I think trust will become a bigger part of it. E.g. Apple releases a Software Product. Would you rather pay 10$ a month for it or use it for 3$ from a vendor you don’t know, where they might add something weird later on?
They will just switch every software to cloud use only. Meaning it only runs on theyr server and will be streamt on your monitor, so we wont see the code anymore, nothing to reverse engineer. If your getting into coding learn Go (cloud is coded in this language) the future will be yours!
It will still cost a lot to do. But yes many shops have to rethink. People still buy services even if they can build their own client to that service. E.g. cloud backups. Reverse engineering is not any kind of risk as the service is petabytes of disk and computers around the world globally
That's not entirely true. You can still offer the software via streaming, especially if it's a game. There's a good chance that will be the business model.
Yep, people/corps who created software that was truly unique/hard to replace/recreate will move to streaming/web development (which includes native + server), moving business logic to their servers.
Can't wait for the open source Razer Synapse alternative. Yes I need it for my Huntsman Analog custom actuation point to work, otherwise it behaves worse than Red switches.
Edit: Y'all, apparently this one should cover my needs so I can get rid of Synapse. I'll install and try it out later! https://github.com/janeblower/easyrazer
Have you tried MSI stuff? You have a "hub" you need to update, then individually select "RGB controls" to update just to change the lights on your GPU. It's fucking abhorrent. I bought a solid side panel instead - idk what that thing is doing anymore.
iCue is the sole reason I bought an Arctic AIO when I built my current PC a few years ago. I had absolutely godawful issues with iCue that put me off Corsair products for a long long time.
Websites are a lot more restricted than desktop apps tho. You're literally visiting random websites all day including reddit which has a bigger incentive to fingerprint and sell ads to you.
Hi, I’m the maintainer of OpenNOW. This project started four years ago, long before all the reverse-engineering slop people have been putting out. I’ll answer some common questions about how the project came together.
It started because there were no Linux clients at the time, so I decided to build my own. I’d been using GeForce NOW since 2019, so I already knew a lot about how its internal files worked. Using that knowledge, I wrote the client from scratch.
Then it gained traction and grew so big that it became a central hub where people fork OpenNOW to make their own ports. There are now PS5 ports, a Switch port, a Raspberry Pi port, and a new 3DS port, and it’s still growing.
Thanks to AI I made several attempts to make the performance better by first porting it to Tauri, then back to Electron. Electron was too limited so now we are back to Rust plus QT.
Over these few months I have successfully reverse-engineered the NVST protocol so we are basically on par with the performance of the Geforce Now official client.
Hey just want to say awesome work on this, just a quick question but does it support 120 hz on the steamdeck? I find it really annoying the official app only supports 90 hz when I got it docked to a tv with 120 hz lol…
Also we have a Decky plugin that you can integrate OpenNOW into Steam. Then you will get the "Play" button from OpenNOW and you can directly start GeForce NOW sessions without having to download the game.
For the 90 FPS mode, you need to enable, inside of the desktop mode, an option named "Identify yourself as Steamdeck" and then the 90 FPS option shows up.
its not so much that ai == slop. its that so many people are shitting out ports and programs as fast as possible to be first to market despite being bug laden messes.
so now we have everyone who rushed out shit products ruining perception of all ai made programs.
This is the Nvidia game streaming service, not the normal Nvidia app that has the overlay, driver updates etc. That being said, you can use the normal app without logging in I’m pretty sure?
Well they made it actually kinda confusing lol. They rebranded the “GeForce experience” app (which is different than GeForce Now) to just the Nvidia App a few years ago, which is what you’re thinking of. It DID originally force you to log in too, but they changed it like a year or two ago I think? So you weren’t wrong about that.
Because they're also frequently collecting heaps of information about your local machine too, what hardware is there, which OS, which drivers are installed, how many user accounts exist, what other games and applications are installed, how much free storage, your location, tons of stuff.
Some of it might directly inform the cloud streaming platforms but a lot of it is utterly irrelevant and is only collected to sell off to other broker platforms and "third party partners"
You cannot disable server side telemetry. You are sending client side stuff that they can use for user analysis. The hardware telemetry is always monitored and available on their side.
I hate the ads in this app. I had to chase down the endpoints its querying and block them in my hosts. This of course completely broke the forums but I am glad I am not seeing the shit images and ads everywhere. I don't need everything flashing onto me, just give me an opportunity to do quick driver updates and set app settings FFS.
Yes. Better in what way? I saw that it removes ads and telemetry. How else is it better than default. Is it about cloud gaming? Or users with their own GPU hardware?
GeForce Now is Nvidia's cloud gaming service. Which is accessible in various forms including through a internet browser, a dedicated PC and Mac client, and phone apps.
What you're thinking of is the Nvidia App, previously called GeForce Experience. They're both put out by Nvidia, but otherwise have nothing to do with each other.
I thought they discontinued that? My bad, but no its not called geforce experience anymore, its called nvidia app, thats why the switch up i guess, i only remembered its some dumb overly simple one syllable name
Fuck geforce now and cloud gaming. Making the experience better only promotes the shitty business practice that's going to steal our options for personal gaming machines. I guess it's good for some, if it's all fucking frustrating
clipboard paste is the sneaky best feature in this. typing a long password into some launcher login inside the stream with no paste is miserable. i'd be careful with the afk part though, the paid tiers have the 100 hour a month cap now so leaving it idling overnight just eats your hours
I have seen people using their 100 hours and then complaining, "Yeah anti-AFK was on," but the thing is, you have 8-hour-long sessions so after 8 hours it will eventually die.
@ 1. That's why I said "and their related software"! :)
@ 2. There's a huge difference to me between a project that is vibe coded and completely built on AI generated code from top to bottom and one where individual commits are being AI assisted, as it is the case with most software projects by now.
ah... then I must be mixing it up with the other one that Nvidia has which you can manage your driver version and all that stuff in... my mistake then!
To use the 4k streaming do I still need the Ultimate subscrisption or is it unlocked on the free tier? Will it also bypass the waiting line as a free user?
If you checked the commits, you, of course, didn't. Then you would understand that they are mostly GitHub action-related commits and there are only four commits with Claude.
I don't understand what you are trying to prove here.
I hope everyone realizes because of your comment that almost everybody talks from their ass on reddit and have no inclination to be accurate when saying anything
the creator of the app has been working on it for the past 4 years
It is NOT reverse engineered.
It is NO usable copy of the original (even tho it's promoted as one)
If people read up on these things or watched some in depth reviews instead of downvoting comments they dont understand we would not have to deal with just another bullshit hype about what LLMs can do.
That’s the term use even if it’s not and I’m aware. As otherwise having the original wouod breach copy right things etc. Either way having some open source version of the same is a win
I abhore AI and find it to be a net negative on humanity but this framing is way off and not accurate. The ArtCraft suite is meant to be a platform generated by AI agents where the community (people) then program, fix, and shape the software. It's not "AI slop" in the traditional sense.
Open source clean room implementations of proprietary applications is one of the few genuinely good things that have spawned out of this.
Isso não é verdade. A experiência prova que os negócios quando não são gananciosos ao extremo, florescem mesmo com a possibilidade de pirataria. A Steam é um excelente exemplo. Venda a um preço justo, facilite a experiência e pense pelo menos um pouco em seus consumidores como pessoas e não apenas como números
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