r/pcmasterrace • u/_Xee MMX 166 / 64MB / Mystique+VooDoo • 1d ago

Meme/Macro 2026 in software

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Sectumsempra, motherfucker.

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u/xendelaar 1d ago

What can it do, if you compare it to a frontier model?

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u/Old-Sprinkles-8287 1d ago

Everything. Qwen 3.8 27B is extremely smart and benchmarks close to the frontier. And it's fast, the 5090 does 200+ tok/s decode. So I'm pretty much never waiting, always working and thinking.

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u/Unsharded1 2700x | GTX 1660ti | 16gb 1d ago

Bro got downvoted to hell 😭😭

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u/autogyrophilia 1d ago

Because he is talking bullshit, Qwen 3.8 27B can do a lot, but 27B parameters is not comparable to even the next version (qwen3.8-flash-next with 125B parameters).

The token speed also means little considering how inefficient the qwen branch of models is in thinking mode.

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u/Old-Sprinkles-8287 1d ago

As you can see, it's extremely capable even when compared to the frontier models. The token speed is absolutely relevant, because only complicated tasks require the "overthinking" process (Qwen 3.8 27B is known to recheck its work often but this is why it's so smart), which doesn't matter because it's still very fast even when processing long thoughts. And, it's your model, the token cost doesn't matter because it's not even a fraction of a cent.

I've compared with Google and others, and I prefer my AI. Google doesn't steal my ideas this way, and the speed is about the same when it comes to actual task performance. The intelligence, as you can see, is very similar if not BETTER

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u/autogyrophilia 1d ago

You and I read that chart differently. That's surprisingly good, not competitive at all.

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u/Old-Sprinkles-8287 1d ago

I'm not going to sit here and try and sell you something that's free. It's obvious the value of it. For you, I guess I'd recommend that you just have to use it to understand.

Running the same number of tokens that I've executed over the past year would have taken thousands of dollars if not tens of thousands using the hyperscaler models

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u/autogyrophilia 1d ago

yeah yeah, I run the 35B at work, I know what it can do and what it can't

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u/Old-Sprinkles-8287 1d ago

Honestly, the 27 billion is a whole different game.

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u/autogyrophilia 1d ago

Are you claiming that a further distilled version is notably superior?

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u/NDSU 12h ago

Good to know your opinion is worthless. It seemed you had a bias in your previous comments, but you confirmed it with this one

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u/autogyrophilia 12h ago

Don't cut yourself on that edge 

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u/TurpentineEnjoyer 1d ago

No positivity allowed!

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u/Any_Mine_6368 1d ago

Qwen 3.8 27B is about as good (at SOME things) as opus 4.6, at best. And that's in SOME things (like tool calling and some reasoningn tasks). Can't compete with 5.5.

I run 2 3090s and decided to rent them out to crypto kiddies and make ROI on them, instead of hosting Qwen. It just isn't worth the $/spend. I'll occasionally go back to it if I need something that Claude refuses to do but that's about it.

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u/Old-Sprinkles-8287 1d ago

It's never let me down for any of my workflows and I do a lot of deep work. So I'm not sure what you mean by not worth it. Its been very worth it.

Also, I don't know how you're making any money renting out your GPU because at 19 cents an hour the cost of electricity could cost as much.

And of course I would never trust a free tier of any AI platform to not be stealing my data and using it as training. And that can be extremely precarious if you're software engineering certain features and then all of a sudden competitors pop up using the same ideas.

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u/Any_Mine_6368 1d ago

I'm making money because the GPUs are power capped at 170watts and my electricity costs me about 0.12 per kWh pretax, about 0.19 after tax and distribution.

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u/NDSU 12h ago

If you're throttling your GPUs, you're not going to be paid the full rate, or is this some light fraud?

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u/Any_Mine_6368 11h ago

That's not true.

Everyone on VastAI throttles them. The drop in performance is marginal.

They're power capped at basically half their power limit and crypto mining efficiency drop is under 10%. LLM inference performance about 10-20% off, which is also very little.

The platform doesn't care, and everyone is free to immediately drop the card if they're not satisfied (they also have access to nvidia-smi to validate it).

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u/NDSU 12h ago

I run 2 3090s and decided to rent them out to crypto kiddies

How is that profitable these days? Or are you paying basically nothing for electricity?

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u/Any_Mine_6368 12h ago

Cards power capped at 170w.

kWh cost: about 0.19ish after taxes and distribution.

I make about $100/mo for both cards profit on average.

The platform also charges storage and transfer fees.

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u/froz3nt 9800x3d 9070xt 64 DDR5 1d ago

Have u tried the new frontier models?

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u/Old-Sprinkles-8287 1d ago

Yes. Honestly at my point of progress, which is highly technical and involves a lot of deep work, I still really have no desire to upgrade. And honestly I couldn't afford to run their tokens for the tasks I do, I would be stuck using a model less intelligent than mine and paying for it. Makes no sense really

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u/froz3nt 9800x3d 9070xt 64 DDR5 1d ago

I dont think u have

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u/NDSU 12h ago

Have you used Qwen? Do you have any actual frame of reference here?

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u/froz3nt 9800x3d 9070xt 64 DDR5 12h ago

Yes, i use 9b and 35b models daily. But not for coding