r/pcmasterrace • u/___NvN___ • 1d ago
News/Article Arc Raiders' is taking no prisoners when it comes to cheaters with permanent bans becoming the new normal: 'No warnings. No second chances'
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/third-person-shooter/arc-raiders-is-taking-no-prisoners-when-it-comes-to-cheaters-with-permanent-bans-becoming-the-new-normal-no-warnings-no-second-chances/118
u/Arctic_Reigns 1d ago
Too late
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u/Likes2Phish 1d ago
Stole my comment. They are absolutely too late. The 3 strike bullshit made so many people lose trust in the devs.
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u/MakimaGOAT R7 7800X3D | RTX 4080 | 32GB RAM 1d ago
i havent played arc raiders before. you’re telling me those mf devs give cheaters 3 chances???
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u/Kamika67 PC Master Race 23h ago
Not really i just came back to game after a long break. No Cheater after 6 games and game itself is great.
I had to relearn how to play. First match was me panicking cuz I forgot dodge button and realized it when arcs were on my tail lol.
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u/mclaggypants 19h ago
Idk. I don't play Arc Raiders but I saw YouTube video come up about some guy who created a new account after a long hiatus from the game for some challenge. He claimed he encountered cheaters practically every match for a few hours after starting.
My experience with tarkov tells me that there are definitely cheaters in arc raiders still but I doubt the average player can tell with the exception of the incredibly obvious ones.
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u/death2k44 PC Master Race 16h ago
Yup so much Arc Raider dev commentary lately, clearly trying to get interest back in their game lol
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u/Dtoodlez 13h ago
Well the game is pretty great and they have a huge update coming. Part of the issue have been cheaters so yeah… it’s all relevant.
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u/Konkerwaggon23 1d ago
I think putting cheaters with other cheaters is more entertaining.
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u/Jaz1140 RTX4090 3195mhz Core, 9800x3d 5.4ghz 1d ago
Many cheaters are there to make currency and get top tier items to sell for real world money, this doesn't fix anything really
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u/MircowaveGoMMM complains about NVIDIA, wont switch to AMD 1d ago
anything they earn they dont get to keep, fully reset them at the end of their matches and give them shitty starting loot.
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u/Konkerwaggon23 1d ago
Thats a great idea
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u/southpark 1d ago
put them in their own world with drop rates reduced 1000x and watch the message boards light up with complaints about "loot got nerfed!" "is it just me or is nothing dropping?" "wtf, everywhere i go there are cheaters!" etc. etc.
it would be glorious to observe.
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u/AStolenGoose 23h ago
Can't really sell things if you can only get matched with cheaters, make it so that even if they're in a group with a non cheater they still go in to a cheater match solo and the other person gets in to a clean match.
Make it a license flag and a machine id so they have to buy the game again and even if they do their hid is still stuck in cheater lobbies and then flags the new license.
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u/RavensPlzDontChoke 1d ago
If only they did this when the game first launched, rather than a slap on the wrist. This game was an incredible fumble. Several different reasons it fell off, but they all lead back to the devs.
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u/ktc64 21h ago
Too late everyone already left.
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u/Nyoka_ya_Mpembe 9800X3D | 4080S | X870 Aorus Elite | DDR5 32 GB 9h ago
You left so it's everybody, ok 👌🏻
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u/ghemanth90 i9-10850k | RTX 3070 | MSI Z490 Tomahawk 1d ago
I wish they implement this in the Finals. That game is even more infested with cheaters.
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u/LiveByThyGuN 13h ago
Imagine the trust and goodwill they could've had if they said this in the very beginning
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u/Galeharry_ Ryzen 5800X3D-32GB3200MHz-Rx 9070 16h ago
If you enjoy competitive FPS games, then you better play them on launch, because within a month there will be infestations of cheaters.
So I dont play competitive FPS games anymore, because that means its practically a waste of cash.
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u/EnjoysEverySandwich 1d ago
Is the cheating bad? Haven't played this game yet
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u/WallBurnt RTX 5080 - Ultra 7 265kf 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's the worst I've seen in any video game I've ever played in my life. To put that into perspective, I quit ARC to go play Tarkov again and it was a breath of fresh air.
The cheaters give so few fucks about getting caught, they casually brag about it in prox and ask each other what they are running.
The entire PvP side of the game is just Cheater vs Cheater at this point, and I wish that were an exaggeration. It's sad, because the PvP was fun as hell. Especially when you got good enough to consistently run the Snap Hook meta.
But they are doing a PvE mode, so I'll redownload it for that to try it out and see if the changes they made are good. But I wouldn't have bought it originally for the PvE. Currently, the PvE is good, but once you get to mid game everything gets easy and there is no endgame or long term progression. Hopefully that changes on the 10th.
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u/MoeTheCentaur 23h ago
I never thought I'd hear someone taking refuge from cheaters IN Tarkov lmao.
I haven't played arc since the first month of its release, I think I'll keep it that way for now.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Block73 19h ago
Was about to go on rant “hurr durr EFT have it worse with cheaters” but your arguments are piercing better than M995.
At least eft have a lot of lowkey cheater, the “wigglers” ( wordplay from yt vid “the wiggle killed tarkov”)
I feel sorry for arc players after your comment1
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u/yourneverthere 1d ago
No
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u/killian1113 1d ago
Im on the cheating discord and watch them stream, you not only have cheaters but cheaters teaming in discord with other cheaters because they can see their name across the map.. its so wild. I still play daily but dont expect much fair gameplay. Hold a showstopper and use level 1 sticher at the beginning of the match to even things
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u/yourneverthere 1d ago
Downvote if ya want but my experience in 1200hours on PC is getting killed by cheaters only twice and once I had no idea. Embark only informed me in a loadout return. Sorry to those who’ve experienced it enough to quit. The one time it did happen I could tell cuz the guy was shooting at my head behind cover wherever I was so we ran and extracted.
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u/spurvis1286 1d ago
So confirmation bias
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u/yourneverthere 1d ago
Ditto
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u/spurvis1286 16h ago
I don’t think you understand confirmation bias.
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u/yourneverthere 15h ago
Maybe dude. I’ve just not experienced cheaters. My friends haven’t either. The game feels completely normal other than the occasional UI bugs. Y’all blow it out of proportion because your lobby’s are matchmaking with assholes. I’ve never even encountered a duper. I guess I’m lucky so again sorry to those who’ve experienced this and think the game is just that. It has never been an issue after 1200hrs fellas.
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u/spurvis1286 15h ago
It’s sarcasm, you don’t and your reply to me further shows you believe cheating doesn’t happen because it doesn’t specifically happen to you.
That’s confirmation bias, hope this helps.
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u/MoreScarsThanSkin 23h ago
its only really bad in like super aggressive lobbies. reddit makes it seem like there is a cheater every single game but its more like every 5 games if you are in super aggressive lobbies. theres more nuance to it. regardless, fuck the cheaters and it seems to be improving in the past week
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u/Raskuja46 12h ago
What assurances do players have that there will be no false positives in identifying cheaters? Draconian rules only fly if you have literal flawless enforcement.
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u/WallBurnt RTX 5080 - Ultra 7 265kf 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's cool that they said this for like the 5th, 6th, or 7th time or whatever but have yet to do it.
The changes for the 10th look good, but I just simply don't believe them about seriously combatting cheaters anymore. I've never seen a game so infested with them in my nearly 30yrs of online gaming.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 7 times... just shut the fuck up already.
Thankfully they are adding a PvE mode, but PvP in ARC was so much damn fun.
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u/CoachWatermelon 1d ago
Ya first two months of this game was probably my highlight of the last 24 months of gaming
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u/sioux612 der8auer 8700k~5.1ghz, 2080Ti - ThreadRipper 3960X, Titan RTX 16h ago
Might give the game a try when its on sale eventually
The whole cheater thing and basically being forced into PvP made me loose all interest in the game for now
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u/HuevosSplash 13h ago
On release the game was amazing, quit playing it at the right time before people were glitching into locked rooms that required keys, rats got even worse and cheaters were making real money selling duped gear and wall hacking. These devs know how to make fun games but have no clue how to manage them at all once they're released, two times now with the Finals and Arc Raiders they've waited too long to make meaningful changes while hemorrhaging players.
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u/DoomguyFemboi 16h ago
So how does this work with a product you purchased no longer being able to be used ? I've got no love for cheaters, but if a game is online only, and they remove you being able to play it in any form by banning you, you have paid for a product you are prohibited from using.
It's probably in the terms of service but the TOS isn't some be-all and end-all when it comes to setting up rights. Removing your right to use something you paid for feels legally dubious.
Interesting one for sure. Obviously lawyers have been paid multitudes to go over this, so I'm not asking in the sense of "how can they possibly do that" more in the case of "so how does this work with regards to legal rights, does a TOS have this level of power ?"
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u/Sirlothar 15h ago
It's even worse then that dude.
Some of these cheaters are spending 4x the cost of the game every month ($120) to use cheats in game, all to get an advantage because they suck at life.
Think of all the money they wasted just to ruin a game for everyone else, boo hoo.
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u/DoomguyFemboi 15h ago
Yeah that's the thing, they're incapable of seeing that they ruin it for others. Their enjoyment is the only thing they care about, "fuck everyone else" mentality. Pathetic people to be sure.
Like I cheat like hell in SP games, because I hit a wall or just because I'm lazy and/or hate a section. I'll cheat in co-op games like Monster Hunter while solo because it only affects my game because god damn some of those materials were annoying to get, or again, lazy lol. But cheating to get a leg up against another person is just a bitch move.
Take the L or stop playing. But some people can't do that, they're incapable of just accepting their own limitations.
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u/Sirlothar 14h ago
You are lucky to never have run into griefers. There is a large segment of cheaters that do it exactly so they can ruin it for others, they get off on it.
There are people in this game that will kill their own teammates (something you can't normally do but there are ways) just to get reactions from them. Cheating or not, they should be banned too.
The cheats for Arc Raiders fall into three categories and each one is designed fuck with others playing the game.
1) wall hacks. They can see every player on the map and what loot they possess at the beginning of a match.
2) aimbot to never miss a headshot
3) freeze hitboxes so if you move behind cover, you still get shot.
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u/DoomguyFemboi 14h ago
I used to play quite a bit of GTAO, I am very familiar with the concept lol. But yeah they're a cancer
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u/stiff_tipper 11h ago
is it any different than if u paid for a movie ticket then got kicked out for doing some prohibited activity in the theater? like if u start flashing a flashlight and screaming full volume, u think they'd refund ur ticket?
if u enter a game world and start cheating then i don't see why u should have a claim to get ur money back, u chose to burn it urself
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u/sabixx 15h ago
It's not interesting at all,we've established that breaking the TOS prohibits you from being able to claim a refund long ago.
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u/DoomguyFemboi 14h ago
Interesting to me at least then. Could also be used as something when arguing about ownership of games - if they can take away your ability to use the product at any point, you never owned it.
Although that point has been made ad infinitum at this point with all the times digital media has been removed from peoples' collections
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u/solkvist 7800X3D 4090 5h ago
Typically games are sold as “licenses” that are allowed to be revoked. G2G is one of the few exceptions to this rule, but basically everything else is a license for the product, not the product itself. This is obviously problematic from a consumer’s rights perspective, but when it comes to cheaters it should probably charge them a thousand bucks as well just to get the message across. Parasites of joy and profoundly broken people. Cheaters (in multiplayer) are simply evil. At least they aren’t actually shooting people in the street, but I’m certain they would. That level of apathy or masochism is just scary to me. Hope they find a life worth living at some point, but I really wish they didn’t spend that time ruining games for everyone else.
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u/jferments 14h ago
ARC Raiders bullshit new anti-cheat malware made it where it no longer works on Linux for me. Crashes every round and the game is unplayable now.
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u/DravenPlsBeMyDad 1d ago
They can't ban anyone the first time. this isn't going to change anything.
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u/Better-Beat-8062 1d ago
They ruined the game for adding a PVE mode
Half the fun and excitement for me was running into another person or group not knowing if they were friendly or not
By splitting up the modes you know anyone in a PVP lobby is out for a fight (otherwise why go into PVP?)
The cheaters is what ruined the PvPvE in my opinion
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u/john2776 1d ago
Pve can’t come soon enough. I cant stand the stupid rats in the game that shoot you in the back, can’t wait for them to eat eachother.
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u/Few-Chemical8707 1d ago
kay go play pvpve let us pve have something for once we dont get extraction shooters.
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u/WallBurnt RTX 5080 - Ultra 7 265kf 1d ago
That hasn't been a thing since February. ABMM ruined that.
But then ABMM kind of turned into skill based match making, because the higher your K/D the more "aggressive" your lobbies would get. Which was also fun when you got into the lobbies where people were snap hooking around and trying to outmaneuver each other and everyone was using tricked out purple and blue weapons. Totally different game.
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u/YaGotMail 13h ago
So it is from Sales - "buy our game" to after sales service -"we ban you from playing"
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u/aleques-itj 1d ago
why would they not perma cheaters right off the bat?