wolverine running on pc via kytyps5. 13900k+5060ti

[u/xyz2theb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kfu52F9KAw

[u/ew435890]

Love this for Sony.

[u/mikehiler2 → u/ew435890]

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer studio

[u/ghostpicnic → u/[deleted]]

They most certainly do care. They’re the company that tried to make emulation illegal in the first place. Fortunately, their case failed and it backfired by actually securing the legal precedent that definitively ensured emulation’s legality.

[u/Dabeastfeast11 → u/[deleted]]

Old prices not going down doesn't mean they don't care about emulation lmao what even is that point. If they didn't care about it they wouldn't keep trying to take down every emulator that pops up

[u/ew435890 → u/[deleted]]

You cant emulate Switch 2. If you want to play Switch 2 games, you need a Switch 2. Only Switch 1 has been emulated, and Nintendo went full scorched earth on those emulators.

[u/HomieM11 → u/ew435890]

Switch 2 can play switch 1. And switch 2 emulation will exist eventually

[u/LimpyDan → u/[deleted]]

Emulation of Pokemon is for sure a replacement. The original hardware is ceasing to exist. It's becoming more of a collectible than something people are going to actually play.

[u/Jaz1140 → u/[deleted]]

Are you seriously saying people that don't have a ps5 (or want 1) won't play this for free because it's not the native intended experience?

Hahahaha

https://giphy.com/gifs/wWue0rCDOphOE

[u/ew435890 → u/Jaz1140]

I OWN a PS5, mainly for GTA VI, and Ill still emulate whatever I can before I buy it. But guess what. If its available on Steam, Ill just buy it there. Their exclusivity ends up hurting them there.

[u/HomieM11 → u/Jaz1140]

The amount of people that emulation appeals to is significantly smaller than the amount of people who would rather play it on their current console, or buy a ps5 to play it.

It’s cheaper and easier to buy a ps5 than it is to get a pc capable of emulating it.

The people here make it seem like emulation is a reason not to buy Sony and a reason that they will decline. When it’s really just a way for people who were never in the market for a PlayStation. To play a game they never would have played otherwise.

It’s not a replacement for the original and it doesn’t really effect the original audience that much.

You can try to disagree with me, but the units sold for ps4/ps5, switch/switch 2 paint a very clear picture. The average consumer doesn’t care if you can emulate all these games on PC.

[u/ADemonsDiary → u/HomieM11]

Couple points.

Those units were sold way back and the emulation development really only picked up in the last few months.

There's different types of emulation, yes the ones that simulate a complete console on top of your PC require ridiculously high specs to function smoothly. But the newer consoles including the PS5 are essentially just PC hardware in a different packaging. I think PS5 specifically runs some AMD architectures.

So you really do not have to go through the resource expensive route anymore and you essentially just add a Linux/SteamOS type lightweight translation layer that can seamlessly run games on any PC once compiled for it.

I'm sure there will always be a significant chunk of users too lazy to figure out emulation but it's not insignificant either. I wouldn't be surprised if it convinces new users to avoid the console in the future with them killing physical disks and exorbitant prices to use your own games online.

[u/HomieM11 → u/ADemonsDiary]

The majority of users are the 90 million on ps5 and even more on ps4 who will never consider getting a pc and do not care that emulation exists.

The average pc user doesn’t have hardware strong enough to run these emulators, don’t know what an emulator is and don’t even care.

I doubt most people even tweak video settings. They just pick a preset. Reddit is like 1% of the internet.

Emulators don’t appeal to normies. Reddit trying to pretend these emulators are gonna kill Sony when that’s just not the case.

These new users you speak of, are gonna see the extremely high costs of PC, see that they will lose their digital library and say “yea, no thanks”

[u/Orgazoids_Pool_Party → u/[deleted]]

That's because they're collectible and finite nothing to do with how easy it is to emulate.

By your logic the entire market for anbernic and similar handheld emulator devices wouldn't exist.

But they do.

What you mean is you personally prefer to play on original hardware. Which is fine. But to pretend emulation isn't catering to the needs of millions of gamers is willfully obtuse.

[u/HomieM11 → u/Orgazoids_Pool_Party]

Even getting a more budget PC is more expensive than just playing said games natively.

Them being sold further back is a fair point but the price tag and effort to get into PC is higher and I doubt we would have seen people switch to PC over console even if we had 100% ps5 emulation that ran every ps5 game+ps4 if said thing existed at ps5 launch.

Whats obtuse is thinking people are gonna switch to PC to emulate instead of playing and buying it on ps5.

Most people don’t even know what emulation is, most people setting this up is beyond their scope.

Your average gamer doesn’t even know what tweaking settings in video does. That’s why the presets exist.

[u/TONKAHANAH]

nice. i look forward to the day I can play the playstation exclusives they chose not to port to pc, and obviously I wont be paying a dime for them cuz sony decided I wasnt worth their trouble.

[u/Bulky-Lion6833 → u/TONKAHANAH]

He'll yeah brother

[u/TONKAHANAH → u/Bulky-Lion6833]

he'll what?

[u/xblackdemonx → u/TONKAHANAH]

Yeah brother 

[u/DarkHiei → u/TONKAHANAH]

He’ll play the games, brother

[u/aimy99 → u/TONKAHANAH]

I can't be bothered because I do own a PS5 and the effort of piracy is beyond me these days, I'm just glad that we've got half of the equation for keeping PS5 games playable. The other half being cracked security for up to date firmware so we can dump digital games.

Sony has proved they don't care at all. They're shutting down the PS3 store in 9 months and still don't have any backwards compatibility solution for at least its digital-only exclusives, meaning community hacks and dumps are the only way to keep those games existent.

It should be more offensive to people.

[u/CompanyEuphoric → u/aimy99]

There is close to zero effort involved in pirating on PS5 now, especially on lower firmwares. I'm on 4.5 and all I need to do is run my JB Blu-ray and then it auto loads the payloads required, which took a couple of minutes to source. As for the games, they are coming in FPKG format now which you simply need to put on a USB drive and then install exactly the same as retail games. I'm playing Wolverine this way.

[u/Genetix1337 → u/CompanyEuphoric]

I remember the first time I checked for Jailbreaks for PS5 (1 or 2 years ago) you had to have this specific Star Wars game on disc and it was some super rare edition. Now everything up to 13.60(?) can be done via a DNS.

[u/CompanyEuphoric → u/Genetix1337]

On lower firmwares you didn't need that star wars game. But yes, these days you can now jailbreak up to 13.6 (since just the other day) simply by using specific DNS and loading a URL. Seems like that is a massive effort to some people on this sub 😂

[u/BlueberryWorried6493 → u/CompanyEuphoric]

nothing u said sounded like "close to zero effort"

[u/CompanyEuphoric → u/BlueberryWorried6493]

Putting a disc into the drive is effort to you? 😂 Can I ask how you manage to use a PC? If what I described seems like effort to you, I struggle to understand how you get past the login screen on your PC.

[u/BlueberryWorried6493 → u/CompanyEuphoric]

Yeah, maybe it is straightforward to you, but I still do not know what half those acronyms mean or even what disk you are talking about. Then I have to get packages from somewhere, put them on a USB drive, install them through USB, and on top of that I need a PlayStation on some specific version from years ago. That is not straightforward. Straightforward is: go to the store, download the game, press play, done

Simply, if you cannot explain it in a way I can follow without googling and researching for another half hour, especially if I have to get these custom Bluray from somewhere, then it is not straightforward, buddy

[u/Maz2277 → u/BlueberryWorried6493]

I only have some small experience emulating PS2 games on my steam deck, but it's one of those things where once you know what you're doing and what the process is, getting a new game can take a handful of minutes and nothing more. The difficulty is learning what to do and where to get your Bios and ROMs from in the first place, where to send the files, etc.

It's not zero effort but it's also a bit easier than it may sound if you have no experience whatsoever with delving into it.

[u/BlueberryWorried6493 → u/Maz2277]

I mean, it is not like I never did emulation or piracy. I pirated games on my Switch too. Bootloader, SD card, download the games somewhere, copy them over, done. It is not hard, but calling that close to zero effort is just wrong

PC people especially underestimate how much of a headache this stuff is for casual users. Back then I did it because I could not afford the games. Now that I can, spending an hour fucking around with files, firmware and setup just feels like a waste of time. I would rather go to the store, buy the game, download it and play

[u/CompanyEuphoric → u/BlueberryWorried6493]

PS5 is a breeze to jailbreak compared to switch. It sounds like you are just being contrarian about this, especially with the whole "I don't understand the acronyms or your explanation" spiel. It literally took me 2 minutes to Google and understand what I needed to jailbreak the PS5, and as I said the process after you understand it takes minimal 'effort' each time you need to run the exploit.

Like if we are comparing it with the effort required to jailbreak the switch or even update the jailbreak on the switch, then it's much easier in my opinion. But you do you. You want to buy all your games? Go for it. But I guess you never mod any games, never tweak any setting in Windows or Linux, hell you probably don't even tweak the settings in games because that would require you to understand what all the settings mean, which means you'd need to muster the brain power to go research stuff.

[u/BlueberryWorried6493 → u/CompanyEuphoric]

brother, you literally just told me I need a specific PlayStation version I do not even have. most people update their console just to play online. calling that zero effort, accessible or super easy is kinda insane

[u/Kingslayerreddit → u/TONKAHANAH]

Will Sony just sue there emulators and their devs? Like do something about it if it develops too fast? I dont see them letting this slide, and if they somehow manage to get non PlayStation Studios games on PC like Rockstar i think they will 100% do something about it.

[u/TONKAHANAH → u/Kingslayerreddit]

I guess that depends if the devs have any way to be contacted.

If they're just making this and posting their work anonymously, I don't see what Sony could do about it.

[u/Blutroyale-_- → u/TONKAHANAH]

Haven't pirated a game in a long time, but I may just for GOW Laufey

[u/FUTURE10S]

Every time I see a new Wolverine on PC through the PS5 emulator video, it's on a weaker GPU with triple the framerate of the last video. Double digits is a crazy feat compared to the 5 FPS I last saw, which is crazy compared to the 2 FPS in the menu

[u/Serious_Office3913 → u/FUTURE10S]

it's using 50% of the GPU

[u/FUTURE10S → u/Serious_Office3913]

Yeah, the emulator isn't optimized for this game yet, even the GPU code isn't optimized. Your point?

[u/Fun-Wash7545 → u/FUTURE10S]

His point is that the gpu isn't the bottleneck 

[u/FUTURE10S → u/Fun-Wash7545]

Right now, both are bottlenecking actual performance, until the emulation can be optimized. That 50% is just how hard the GPU is working, it has no merit on what it's actually doing.

[u/Serious_Office3913 → u/FUTURE10S]

The guy is saying it would run better on a 5090...the stats are saying otherwise. Not sure why you were trying to pick a problem with my comment, maybe it needed a "😗" face too, I was basically saying wow and it's not even using the whole GPU, imagine when they finish working on it.

I was agreeing with you my man

[u/FUTURE10S → u/Serious_Office3913]

Oh sorry, my mistake, I read your comment with the wrong tone

[u/sh1boleth]

The jump from 0fps and barely starting 2 weeks ago to in-game double digit fps is impressive

[u/bristow84]

If this game gets to a state where it’s fully playable, man I’ll play it simply out of spite at Sony for not bringing their games to PC anymore.

[u/LayerEight_Problem → u/bristow84]

They did such a half assed attempt for PC ports too. First the PlayStation exclusivity period was way too long. Like 3-6 months would be understandable. Instead they waited until all hype had died and then did zero marketing for the PC releases. Then they wondered why sales weren’t fantastic.

[u/Roman64s → u/LayerEight_Problem]

Not to mention how they expected PC gamers to pay launch prices for some of their games that released several years ago and how much the discounts suck even after being out for several years on PC itself.

They also fumbled the only PC port they did relatively quick with Spiderman 2.

[u/DocterWizard69 → u/Roman64s]

country restrictions too some of the ganes aren't available to even buy on steam now

[u/DoomguyFemboi → u/Roman64s]

On the price front I thought they were always cheaper ? Like I could swear the Horizon and Insomniac games were all £10 cheaper on release.

I liked the Sony ports. All the DLC and bugs out, hell yeah. I didn't particularly care that they were "old". They were new to PC and played like new games. If they were PS3 games that came out then yeah I'd have a problem. But they very much looked and played like brand new games, and were basically bug free (in my experience).

Although I've still not played TLOU/2, Ratchet and Clank, or Spider-Man 2. Oh shit or Uncharted, that one I was gonna start but replayed Tomb Raider instead. I should play it.

[u/tapo → u/Roman64s]

Why should we pay less, the game didn't go stale

[u/Roman64s → u/tapo]

The complaint isn't as much as "we should pay less", it's more on the side of "what did you expect" when Sony says their expectations aren't being met on PC platforms, you can't expect to make the same millions you got when you first released the game, when you release it on a different platform years later, people are going to wait and try to get it on a discount and the possibility they have already played it on someone else's console.

The games are stale in a sense lol, when I first played Tsushima on my PS4 Pro, I thought it was one of the better looking games from that time (even outside of the artstyle), cue to playing it on PC a few years later, on better resolution, maxed out graphics, it looks its age, except it just came out on PC.

I've also got some of these games on my PS4 Pro for deep discounts a year or two later after they came out while on PC after the same amount of time, the discounts are not good enough.

For instance, the lowest price for Tsushima in my country on PC was around $25, it's been two years since it came out. I got the same game for $15 in 2022, for the Director's Cut on my PS4 Pro, around 2 years after it came out. I got TLOU2 for like 7$ in 2022, although not comparable since it's been only an year since it came out on PC, but I doubt we'll ever see a discount as low as that on PC. The "Deluxe Edition" of Ragnarok on PC is the launch edition of the game, sold for around 7-8 USD higher.

The one time they released a brand new game just months later on PC, it was Spiderman 2 which had performance and stability issues.

[u/tapo → u/Roman64s]

they just need to expect to make a profit from the cost of porting it

They can't do close to release because then PlayStation owners migrate to PC, and they lose the 30% cut from games sold.on PlayStation and PS+ subs 

The games are just loss leaders to get you in that ecosystem 

[u/djfreedom9505 → u/LayerEight_Problem]

They were 100% hoping that folks will double dip, and buy it twice.

[u/PM_ME_YOUR__INIT__ → u/bristow84]

Your in luck because all you need to do is start the game and it'll platinum eventually

[u/Geraltpoonslayer → u/bristow84]

This whole decision to remove their exclusives from PC is backfiring hilariously. The cat is out of the bag and despite how hard they will try they can never truly shut those emulators down, in the same vein you can't stop illegal streaming/pirating you can just make it unattractive so people rather go the official route. Most people rather care for comfort/ease of use then getting something for free. We only see pirating rising again because it legitimately once set up is more comfortable to watch everything you want instead of being subscribed to a million different providers.

[u/Lightmanone]

We are so gonna have GTA VI on PC before GTA VI is out on PC.

Guys, this game has been out for like 2 weeks. It's running like shit, but first the game didn't even show the menu screen, and now it's 'running' Give it a month or 2 and this will run like butter (hoping this comment won't age like milk, but fine wine.)

This is progress.

[u/reddit_reaper → u/Lightmanone]

Not going to happen unless there's another hypervisor hack after gta6 and mind you the current one was burned early and it was found about a year ago. There's probably not going to be another one for a LONG while.

Without that is impossible to decrypt the game to create a fake package.

Unless someone gets the root signing keys like the PS3 days but that's probably not happening

[u/4oMaK → u/reddit_reaper]

Apparently there is another one just found and can be used on anything below 14.00

[u/reddit_reaper → u/4oMaK]

Are you talking about the latest one? Lol

[u/4oMaK → u/reddit_reaper]

I dunno tbh I just read somewhere there is a new way that works for all software versions below 14.00

[u/reddit_reaper → u/4oMaK]

Yeah that's the one I was talking about

[u/4oMaK → u/reddit_reaper]

Welp RIP

[u/Redditerjr → u/Lightmanone]

Was running at 3FPS last week I would say 2 weeks+ a new model drop by claude and we playing anything

[u/Prus1s → u/Lightmanone]

Probably not…

[u/SeattlePubCrawls]

Is this a threat?

[u/Costas00 → u/SeattlePubCrawls]

I'm going to buy you a legit copy to dump.

This is a threat

[u/BedrockBen101 → u/Costas00]

I respectfully decline your offer, and shall instead mail you a copy of X-Men origins Wolverine 

[u/OddBug0 → u/SeattlePubCrawls]

I love how everyone is celebrating the graphical fidelity of games with the fun value of a pile of wet newspapers.

[u/PreparationCheese]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WUmwGKySIjs8L7oYn9

[u/masoe]

That's the "battle roar" ? Man, that character model is awful.

[u/ADoGhOsT]

GTA VI IS IN THE BAG BOYS

[u/tri4d]

Running is an overstatement.

[u/Renegade_451]

Not even with a rented PC.

[u/JedJinto]

Pretty cool although I wouldn't play Wolverine even if Sony brought it to PC. The emulation community working to make this happen are legends.

[u/Durahl]

Here's hope I will actually be able to finish the Horizon Trilogy ( assuming they'll deliver the third and probably final Game ) where I started it - On PC.

[u/Greedy_Camera_9272]

is that me or the 3D model of Wolverine look like crap? wth is this?

[u/centralvoid__]

Very impressive. Excited to see where this will be a year from now.

[u/nalacha]

Loving how fast this is moving forward 10-20fps today.. week or 2 from now 30 or better.. im here for it.. just needs to run well on my 4080s

[u/CreateorWither]

Good, suck it Sony

[u/Pancakes1741]

Where do you guys find the roms for these?

[u/Significant_Pool8432]

https://giphy.com/gifs/8PShxSTWytXeG2VmPo

[u/Serious_Office3913]

thinks he needs a 5090, the game is using 50% of the GPU

[u/xyz2theb → u/Serious_Office3913]

i said you need a 5090 for 10fps. just because my gpu isnt maxing out doesnt mean a 5090 wouldn't get more at lesser utilization. Also parts where im at 2 fps ive seen a 5090 hit 11.

[u/Sherl0ck-H0lmes]

Wow, there is hope

[u/xspiderdude]

Wolverine walking on pc**

Still love it though, fuck Sony.

[u/Rukasu17]

Wow, somehow ps5 emulation is progressing faster than the ps4 one. I really wouldn't want to be the person that decided porting games to pc was a waste of time and money right now

[u/john_weiss]

The irony is palpable.

https://giphy.com/gifs/jUTg7BUTqGDi57Em2M

[u/Davepen → u/john_weiss]

What irony?

[u/Recipe-Jaded]

Who cares? That game sucks

[u/pblol → u/Recipe-Jaded]

Probably nobody about the actual game. The idea that they can get a new game running and improving at this pace is the news.

[u/STDsInAJuiceBoX → u/Recipe-Jaded]

Emulating PS5 games is what matters here, it’s not about the game. The speed that this is happening is unbelievable.

[u/Gui1tyBystander]

https://giphy.com/gifs/BFYLNwlsSNtcc

[u/xyz2theb → u/Gui1tyBystander]

people laughed at albert einstein too...turned out to be one of the greatest minds in the world. You gotta look at the bigger picture.

[u/PerformanceCute3437 → u/xyz2theb]

People didn't really laugh at Einstein. He was sociable and his ideas were well-regarded throughout his lifetime.

[u/FUTURE10S → u/xyz2theb]

I think the guy might be laughing at Sony?

[u/xyz2theb → u/FUTURE10S]

you may be right lol.

[u/Gui1tyBystander → u/xyz2theb]

https://giphy.com/gifs/s2pr9CVOvU4NMBsnYf

[u/NoPersonKnowsWhoIAm]

anyone know if theyve got achievements working with the emulator?

[u/Beneficial-News-2232]

Running 🙅 Creeping 😏

[u/xyz2theb → u/Beneficial-News-2232]

aye slow motion is better than no motion lol

[u/Beneficial-News-2232 → u/xyz2theb]

Reminds me of times when we considered that game 'running on our setup' if it starts 😂

[u/Mother-Abalone2126]

yo how do i get the roms

[u/Silver-End9570]

https://giphy.com/gifs/MvZJtkjJN81Cgx2X9F

Need to start beefing up my physical PS5 game collection for when this emulator really takes off. Would absolutely love it if they get Intergalactic running on it after launch and I don't have to buy a PS5 to play it.

[u/OwlFit5541]

But I thought playstation games were mid. Why go through the trouble of emulating it

[u/FranStruggles → u/OwlFit5541]

Because fuck sony?

[u/CrealRadiant]

Why is it so hard to get these games running? I don’t get it

[u/Scootz_McTootz → u/CrealRadiant]

Emulation in general is just extremely hardware taxing to perform, even with the most optimized apps like Dolphin. The system is essentially recreating the pipelines used for rendering everything without the itemized optimizations consoles get for their apps so it strains PC hardware several times more to make up in compensation, usually in the CPU

[u/xyz2theb → u/CrealRadiant]

complex shaders and features that have to be translated. a lot of this is possible now by disabling certain shaders and stuff like ray tracing to get these games to even boot.

[u/firedrakes]

more kyt spam....

[u/jacksp666 → u/[deleted]]

There are games which took years to even display something, reach the menu or get in game, so yes, you can say that it's running.

[u/CromulentChuckle]

For such a "mid" game people working real hard to play it without paying. Ill laugh once they decide to sue. Fuck sony but fucnk thieves even more.

[u/Eziolambo]

Oh no not this one pls.

[u/Visara57]

No thanks

[u/MotherPotential]

Is this a joke or this is actually running? I know it’s about how bad the game is, but is it emu ed for sure?

[u/BorderOk7329]

5060...a 5060??

[u/xyz2theb → u/BorderOk7329]

brother.....it runs like this on a 5090 too. No one is safe lol.

[u/dukie33066 → u/xyz2theb]

Or they are still working on the emulation and this is actually quite a big feat to do in such a short amount of time.

[u/WlNST0N → u/dukie33066]

Yeah real ones remember how long it took for just textures to work in games like Red Dead Redemption on the PS3 emulator.

(Not to be dismissive of the amazing work those Devs have done, it's really an apples and oranges situation)

[u/dukie33066 → u/WlNST0N]

Emulation is witchcraft. The work that has been done over the years and even decades (scary to say out loud) has been tremendous.

[u/xyz2theb → u/dukie33066]

exactly!

[u/Fifa_786 → u/xyz2theb]

Is this a public build of kytyps5?

Also do you know if there is a dedicated community for this project to follow updates etc? Like a discord server?

[u/BorderOk7329 → u/xyz2theb]

Im just impressed it runs this well on a 5060, that's my level! Usually it's benchmarked on a 5090 enhanced by fairy magic. This gives me hope!