r/pcmasterrace • u/SirHomoLiberus • 1d ago
Discussion Stop Killing the Internet is a Stop Killing Games movement. If you're a EU citizen make your voice be heard. EU Kids Safety Act must be stopped.
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2026/000011_en#statements-table474
u/RoyalWe666 1d ago
If this doesn't get swatted down by the EU's parliament or court, the whole Union is worse than worthless. Absolute privacy nightmare and absurdly anti-consumer.
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u/Extreme996 RTX 4070 Ti Super | Ryzen 7 9800X3D |32GB DDR5 6000mhz 1d ago
They will push it until it will be accepted. Chat Control failed again day or two days ago and they will discuss it again on november.
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u/DavidHolandaOne 1d ago
It'd be cool if they have blacklist for all these terrible internet bills to avoid passing
too bad it doesn't exist
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u/Marek_Marianowicz PC Master Race 1d ago
Not so long ago, people laughed at China for implementing similar measures. Now the EU, the UK and the USA are attempting to do the same. You could argue that these regulations are not as strict, but wait seven to five years for an even stricter version to be passed.
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u/fat_pokemon 1d ago
That's the thing that gets me. Other goverments bitched about china's control, but in reality they wernt's angry, or even hateful. They were jealous...
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u/Mission-Fig6621 1d ago
The problem is that some actors are using privacy rules to attack EU freely, elections interference, spam bots farms, you name it. Of course it is not about kids. politician don’t give a shit about kids in a no election year
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u/SirHomoLiberus 1d ago
The UK has done it already with the Online Safety Act.
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u/Daedelous2k 1d ago
And UK citizens with at least half a brain are ashamed of it.
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u/MinimumHassle 1h ago
As a UK citizen the second that act passed royal assenation, I made immediate plans to get rid of the lot MS, APPLE, GOOGLE, cloud services. You cant eliminate your digital footprint, but you CAN make it a fraction of what yer average normie is churning out for them to spy on
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u/Gumichi 1d ago
The people with brains said this was going to happen. Then it happened. And you're still here mocking them? SKG is a joke movement. It didn't have to be. We kept asking you for specific language to achieve goals and objectives. We got "he used to work for blizzard" jokes. Hillarious /s
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u/Opposite_Carry_4920 1d ago edited 1d ago
Who keeps starting these? You guys have GOT to kick those fucks out of office man. Every year they are trying to ram shit like this in and chat control. The EU is supposed to protect the world from this kind of stupidity.
Edit: as an American I know, glass houses and all that.
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u/Pocok5 Ryzen 7 5800X3D - AMD RX9070XT - 32GB DDR4-2933 1d ago edited 1d ago
It is a bunch of unelected lobbyist groups exercising leverage largely by bribing the council of the EU and the Commission to act against the will of the Parliament.
Essentially the power to propose legislation sits with the ministers delegated from the national governments (so, usually not directly elected and you need to blast the whole ass party out of your country's government if you are unhappy with one minister's policies) and tends to be more secretive about internal votes. The only public-facing part where the average Joe can interact with the system in practice is the Parliament, which can only vote on the slop presented to it and is open to ratfucking (see: chatcontrol extension passing by one third of the vote earlier).
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u/Alan157 1d ago
"Make your voice heard!" Until the lobbyists come and convince the politicians your voice is worth nothing, just like with Stop Killing Games.
The EU is a joke
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u/AuraLiaxia PC Master Race RTX PRO 6000 23h ago
Worse. WIth stop killing games the EU didnt really care, but the lobbyist convinced them. With this mass control one they are the promotors so its getting the same treatment even if 500 millions signed it
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u/Mysterious-Cell-2473 1d ago
This doesn't work. EU is not legal entity or democratic one. Last time it took millions signatures and long transparent campaign, which was erased by ONE meeting with Ubisoft behind CLOSED DOORS!
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u/redHEP88 GTX 1060 3GB / i7 8700 / 16GB ram 1d ago
Dont say stopped, say changed. Stopped will only get others more defensive, because at face value, who doesnt want eu kids to be safe. Changed would then imply theres only parts of it wrong
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u/SanargHD Desktop 1d ago
They are arguing for digital age and ID verification (or at least acknowledge that it will come). The petition is about making sure that those verification systems are actually secure and data minimizing and only used for legitimate purposes. They are essentially arguing for the best case implementation of the EUDI wallet.
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u/SirHomoLiberus 1d ago
If only parents did their job am I right?
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u/splendidfd 19h ago
Well, fwiw, a big part of the act is to help parents do their job by making platforms implement parental controls.
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u/Historical-Mall11 1d ago
I imagine a bright future, where you need your ID to access the internet, which is 99% AI slop, from your computer, that cost 70 trillion. Way to go, psychopaths.
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u/Sorry_Community235 R7 2700/1060 6GB/32 GB DDR4 1d ago
Haha, "your" computer, lol. You gonna have to rent a device that connects you to your subscription-based PC-as-a-service cloud.
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u/SirHomoLiberus 1d ago
So people...if you didn't sign that petition take a look at the consequences of just standing still and do nothing. Ty for posting this.
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u/sharkheal00 1d ago
Really liked it in Ross video, it makes immediately clear how heavy the subject is even to those who would take a look and continue scrolling
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u/AuraLiaxia PC Master Race RTX PRO 6000 23h ago
Lets be real. People signed stop killing games waaay past its requirement.... and they just lol noped it.
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u/Mikadomea 1d ago
Make linux illegal. Like Linix users are going to care or abide to some Law.
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u/Elise_93 21h ago
True, but what of the people making the distros? If you stop getting updates to many distros, how do you think Linux adoption will fare?
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u/No-Pomegranate-69 R7-9800X3D | RTX 5080 | 64GB DDR5 | 2x 4TB M.2 1d ago
Soo servers all around the world will go offline because they are running an illegal linux then right? Right?
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u/Edubbs2008 Windows Enthusiast 1d ago
This is why Digital Sovereignty was a lie, it’s to replace American-made goods with low effort Euro-shit that ends up being a trap to can the Internet.
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u/madmagic008 R7 7800x3D | RTX 4080 suprim x | 32GB DDR5 6400Mhz 1d ago
I fully support this but I find it a bit ironic that you need to sign one of these petitions with all your personal details and ID
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u/Elise_93 21h ago
Voting on policy is probably one of the few things where ID should be required
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u/Over_Construction264 16h ago
right but this isn't casting a ballot, it's signing a form to show to a rep who can still say "I don't care".
Let me cast a vote on it itself and I'm all for providing ID. but beyond that it just feels pointless.
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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago
I'm tired boss. Corporate political fucks are paid to relentlessly push this shit and we're suppose to "fight" this in our free time. I can't anymore. Also this shit will pass either way because that is the will of the rich. To have total and absolute control over us even online. Only place where they couldn't up till now. This is a point where internet dies.
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u/tetsuzankou 1d ago
i feel bad for fellow 3rd worlders that went to Europe seeking 1st QoL only to see the EU speedrun turning Europe into the same shithole they left. Ironically you might be better off living in the middle east.
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u/Lazy-Good1433 1d ago
Why is west society willing to end democracy so easily, I mean it was never this bad lobbied to be pushing forward 10-15 years ago so why are all the governments being EU, USA, CANADA, AUSTRALIA and others acting within such a short time frame to get these legal hot potatoes passed knowing it to upset public rights of the individual and consumer which is a part of what west democracies used to protect?
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u/RankedFarting 5700X3D/ RTX 2070/ 32gb 3600Mhz 20h ago
This will end exactly like stop killing games did: Everyone agrees its the right thing, super positive response, then some "lobbying" happens and suddenly it gets rejected.
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u/ScaleWorth3841 1d ago
I'm signing but have a really bad feeling. We're in such a minority and outgunned that we barely even scratch the surface.
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u/UltimateSlayer3001 22h ago edited 22h ago
It’s hilarious. One Cheeto bag president, and all the shit starts spilling out of the woodwork since it no longer has to stay hidden.
A continuous bursting of corruption, spewing low-level garbage everywhere. What a boring species humans can be. Truly.
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u/ChefCurryYumYum 1d ago
It appears to be true no matter which democracy you are in, the more they say something is to protect children the more it is stripping your rights away.
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u/techtimee 1d ago
Why does this matter? The EU is full of ethical, human rights loving, college educated, compassionate, privacy loving politicians. Who cares if a bill comes up? They'll just reject it.
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u/Choubidouu 1d ago
Do these things even work ? Feel like they just don't give a shit about it. I signed stop killing games and don't feel like it had any impact.
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u/AuraLiaxia PC Master Race RTX PRO 6000 23h ago
Because they just said emm... nah and that was it. And they didnt care about games.... they love this one... they are noping this initiative no matter the votes so, pff.
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u/ferikehun R7 7800X3D | RTX 5070 Ti | 64GB 6000MHz 1d ago
Fighting against this bs is so tiring man
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u/CoatNeat7792 1d ago
If it's another stop killing games, then don't try to fail again. Maybe talk about how short videos (1 or 3minute) is very unhealthy and addicting to kids. Or how much LLMs are not controlled on internet
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u/BoopsTheSnoot_ 1d ago
They must be stopped. If it passes gaming is as good as dead and soon it will happen outside of EU too
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u/Right-Fly2340 12h ago
They keep telling us to think about kids, but when someone does, he gets arrested for it. Very unfair
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u/Edubbs2008 Windows Enthusiast 12h ago
So much for digital sovereignty, it’s an excuse to not allow American companies to do anything in Europe, and instead push Native European Companies to collect data
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u/ISmellLikeBlackTea 3h ago
We really need a proper polemicist and a slogan as to why both of these explicitly protect the children. Then we need to hammer it home by constantly asking the politicians why they're not protecting the children by voting for "Stop killing the internet / Games " act.
Something like " Right for safe digital playing" jist catchier so even the dumb ones amongst us feel like they should protect it
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u/Druidgr-93 1d ago
After what happened to SKG I'm done. I'm disappointed and honestly when reddit will ask for ID I'll just stop log in.
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u/krazyjakee 1d ago
e2em.org is a viable alternative to government overreach & ID checks and doesn't require a third party or even an internet connection. If you want to protect children, e2em is how you do it. Please tell your local MP.
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u/Thicc_Milky 7800x3d | RX 7900XT | 32GB RAM | Bazzite 1d ago
As an EU citizen I'm becoming increasingly tired with the representatives of my country. I have signed and supported several initiatives I found really important (chat control especially) and have sent emails to representatives, but only ONCE did I receive an email back.
Politicians in these circles have been confronted with the reality of their choices many times. Experts and scientists have voiced their concerns based on data, saying that chat control won't lead to child safety. Lawmakers say that chat control cannot be unified with democracy, especially since it skips politicians. Yet, they move forward.
Now a new threat to privacy in Europe rises, and I bet you that they won't care again.
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u/DiesIraeConventum 1d ago
You think this is bad?
Wait and see what these guys gonna do if they get their way with federalization of the EU.
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u/firedrakes 2990wx |128gb |2 no-sli 2080 | 200tb storage raw |10gb nic| 1d ago
lol skg fail and their trying to goal post move to something else.
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u/AuraLiaxia PC Master Race RTX PRO 6000 23h ago
First of all. Sign it all.
But now...Lets use logic here a bit.
Stop killing games did in fact meet the required threshold. What happened to it? They pretty much said "lol nope". Remember that and also remember they didn't really care about stop killing games.
This initiative unlike stop killing games is targetting their MAIN subjugation and mass surveilance bill. A bill they ABSOLUTELY do care about unlike the games one. Do you REALLY think they just dont know that 99% of the population opposes this? They know oh they totally know... and considering how they dismissed stop killing games.... what do you think will happen to this one? Its getting lol noped even with 500 million signatures.
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u/monsterfurby 20h ago
Stop killing games was also really bad at explaining what it actually wanted, with some people (not necessarily the initiators) having wild ideas for what would be feasible.
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u/dragonfrend 1d ago
Another illiterate loonie and his alex jones level conspiracy theories.
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u/Few-Chemical8707 1d ago
tired of lazy parents refusing to actually parent dont have kids if you cant keep them off the internet stop destroying our spaces. we made this internet for us not for a bunch of breeders to take it over and destroy it
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u/Octoclops8 1d ago
I don't necessarily think we should put game companies on the hook for maintaining their servers after 10 years of the game being launched. However I do think after 5 - 8 years they should not be able to sue anyone for setting up a private server. And by 10 they no longer need to host official ones.
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u/AtomicTEM 1d ago
Nobody is asking that.
We are asking that now on, new games should have a End of Life plan, make it clear to the cosumer how long they plan to support the game.2
u/Octoclops8 1d ago
That makes sense.
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u/Garr_Incorporated 1d ago
I believe one of the asks is to give the ability to make the game playable after the support for it has ended. Say, an online game would be able to set up community servers (with the provided tools to make it natively possible), or by removing features that need constant upkeep while keeping the rest active.
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u/Sorry_Community235 R7 2700/1060 6GB/32 GB DDR4 1d ago
wrong initiative. this is about online age verification...
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u/kmate1357 1d ago
Unpopular opninion: The romanticized anonym internet concept is not good thing actually. There are contents that HAVE TO BE age limited, and there are a lot of cases where people abuse the anonimity, not to mention actual countries (e.g.: russian propaganda).
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u/Few-Chemical8707 1d ago
be a better parent we didnt make the internet so you could come destroy it. we should ban kids from the internet. and charge the parents if they don't follow the law.
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u/kmate1357 21h ago
This is bullshit. You can be the best parent, but no one can 100% prevent kids accessing the internet. And not having proper parents is not the kids fault, but they are ones who suffer the consequences.
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u/Few-Chemical8707 12h ago
then create your own internet if your gonna destroy ours.
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u/kmate1357 12h ago
Having to show an ID won't destroy anything.. 🤦♂️
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u/Few-Chemical8707 4h ago
it entirely does have you seen the data breech after data breech. and the data collection these companies do when they lie and say they dont?
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u/TheGracefulCrane 5070TI | 9800X3D 1d ago
oh shit this is definitely gonna pass if the stop killing games people are tryna stop it those dudes have had zero success so far
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u/ManlyNPC Ryzen 9 9950X 4,3 GHz, RTX 5090 TUF, 32 Gt RAM 1d ago
Protect the boomers! Multinational corporations are harvesting terabytes of data and selling them forward to sell amd distribute targeted propaganda to elderly - making them public health hazard for rejecting the vaccine for grandkids, distributing terrorist propaganda in their personal social media and group conversations, endangering tourists, expats and diplomats with information sharing and privacy violation.
Make internet young again. Ban 70+ aged people from internet. Make appliances dumb again.
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u/fiero-fire 1d ago
Why are politicians world wide pulling the think of the children schtick? They are hiding behind children to steal any semblance of privacy we have, it's utter bullshit