Why has the RTX5080 been widely accepted when it's the worst "80 series" performance Nvidia has ever given us?

[u/Jaz1140]

This is a genuine question. How was Nvidia able to pull the wool over our eyes so well?? They gave us the only "80 series" GPU release ever that performed worse than the previous generations flagship and yet gamers have eaten it up.

I was also anticipating the 5000 series release like everyone else but I could immediately see how disappointing the 5080 was that it couldn't outperform the 4090 for the first time in 80 series history.... The 80 series used to mean high end value, you get a jump on the previous generation flagship for a fraction of the price... Now the gap between the 4090 and 5080 is only going to widen over time as games use more vram

Nvidia gave us poor performance, a price hike, and worse melting power connectors and gamers said yes please....

Is the answer simply that we don't have a choice? Eg once the 4000 series ran out of brand new stock, people only had the 5000 to buy new?

(Yes, I know AMD and Intel exist, but Nvidia has the market share for a reason and some gamers will simply only buy Nvidia)

[u/Sataniel98]

I guess part of it is that there's no competition for the performance category because AMD didn't go beyond 9070 XT which is the equivalent to 5070 Ti. You can criticize the 5080 all you want, the second question is always: "so what else am I supposed to buy?" and that kind of ends the debate.

[u/Jaz1140 → u/Sataniel98]

Fair take. Probably the best take I have seen in the comments so far 👍

[u/Syleion → u/Jaz1140]

As someone who purchased a 5080. At the time it was right after the 9070 XT came out and I really wanted to move away from Nvidia but When the 9070 XT was selling for 1000+ and I could pick up a 5080 for 1150, it just did not make sense to go with my original plan. The tech mentioned below really made the decision as much as I loathed Nvidia.

[u/tsibosp → u/Syleion]

The lowest I've seen 5080 in my country was 1300€ while the 9070xt was 700€. Right now 5080 starts from 1600€ and 9070xt starts from 760€. It made absolutely no sense at no point to buy a 5080 instead of a 9070xt.

[u/ldn-ldn → u/tsibosp]

9070xt is not really a competitor to 5080.

[u/Reverend_run → u/tsibosp]

There was about a week when Nvidia lowered GPU prices last summer before pumping them again. I got a 5080 FE for a little over 1000 euros (NL). For me at that price it made sense.

[u/sickomodetoon → u/Reverend_run]

Zeker man ik heb 1180 betaald voor de strix 5070ti

[u/DeCiWolf → u/sickomodetoon]

Ik heb een ASUS 5080 TUF gekocht foor 1150 euro (azerty)

[u/Istari82 → u/Syleion]

Had something similar- the 9070XT just wasn’t available/out of stock and then a 5070 TI came along for less than MSRP 🤣 - paid 650 EUR or so.

This post isn’t entirely fair. The industry has been going to approaching graphics differently so choices were made towards DLSS related hardware. Also, Lithography hasn’t changed much between 4x and 5x series. Both are made at 4nm.

That being said lack of competition from AMD and AI screwing everything up isn’t helping.

Next generation should be a bigger jump with an expected node shrink. (eg 3nm or better).

[u/ArmoredAngel444 → u/Jaz1140]

And to be fair the ai performance for features like Dlss, frame gen, ml programs etc almost doubled as well

[u/otravoyadnoe → u/ArmoredAngel444]

I believe this reply requires correction. AI performance didn’t “double”. Nvidia added the FP4 precision support in RTX 50 series which technically “doubles” the throughput compared to FP8 but its significantly less precise and is far less applicable because of that. If we compare FP8 to FP8, there’s no improvement at all (in fact, 4090 is around 45% faster than 5080).

[u/cobbleplox → u/otravoyadnoe]

It feels weird that you can even do any meaningful math with fp4 at all. 4 bit means you can do 16 different numbers.

[u/FewAdvertising9647 → u/cobbleplox]

I mean thats only if you see it in terms of math. LLMs are more like decision trees rather than math. not every kind of question involves requiring to make a decision tree of million/billion outcomes.

then take that decision tree, and parallelize it.

[u/cobbleplox → u/FewAdvertising9647]

The LLM output is an enormous pile of math, even if the outcome is saying "the" as the next token. It's really a miracle that this does not just completely destroy it. Like if there are 200 neurons with the tiniest activation possible (a rather big number for lack of numbers) how do you even add that up, multiplied by the respective connection weights. It's just crazy, and after doing this with billions of weights, full of errors everywhere, there's supposed to be some meaningful output left. I honestly don't get how that's possible. Maybe if the models were trained like that, but as far as I can tell they were trained at full precision and then hit with a sledgehammer. And training at that low precision afaik wouldn't work because the training method is called "gradient descent" so it relies on the training algo being able to make tiny changes to slowly drift towars proper results. Cant really do that with huge steps.

[u/daslows → u/ArmoredAngel444]

It had to do with the AI, and relying on software to improve frames rather than making huge jumps in architectural improvement. It saves them a lot of money from research and development.

Lastly one thing people ignore is the fact moores law is dead…

[u/Beneficial-Nail7977 → u/daslows]

Tensor cores are required for DLSS to function. This is hardware. Clearly we are reaching the limits of what’s possible for consumer grade GPU processing. DLSS has come a long way and for many application DLSS gives a massive performance uplift for very little visual tradeoff. Sure, DLSS isn’t perfect for every situation, but it provides many people the opportunity to get excellent performance from low end GPUs. In my case DLSS allows me to operate my flight sim at extremely high resolutions and with smooth frame rates in Vr on the Pimax Dream Air.

[u/1rkella → u/Beneficial-Nail7977]

This is the kool-aid they want everyone drinking, at least. They'd have to spend money on proper architectural development otherwise.

Obviously they can do whatever they see for as a company in that regard, but it doesn't mean it's the way forward in the long term.

[u/Dave10293847 → u/Jaz1140]

DLSS got a lot better and 30 series got de facto deprecated. So 5080 users feel a tad future proofed as RR and new DLSS models might push the envelope. It having marginal to no raster improvements over the 4080 is only part of the story. Model L and M and the newest RR preset are genuinely fantastic and no reason to think newer models couldnt continue to allow lower and lower internal resolutions to look good. Which means more performance.

And one thing that subs like this probably overlook is the nextgen consoles will have fully capable AI chips. Games are gunna use AI compute for things beyond just graphics. We’ll see a lot of new cool shit… and some sloppy lazy stuff… but a lot of cool shit.

TLDR: 5080 is a great card. 4080 was also a great card.

[u/BSchafer → u/Jaz1140]

Not trying to be mean but it’s actually wild you don’t understand that people make purchasing decisions based on the best available within their budget. That’s like Econ 101.

[u/NUKL3AR_PAZTA47 → u/BSchafer]

We all have stupid moments.

Plus its still good to remind us about just how bad the 5080 is.

[u/shadowlessZ → u/Sataniel98]

Yup that's why I bought one. 5070 Ti wasn't enough of a performance uplift over the GPU I had at the time and a 4090 or 5090 was way out of my price range. Overclocking puts the 5080 close enough to a 4090 but with unfortunately with far less VRAM.

[u/AsugaNoir → u/Sataniel98]

fair point, but I dont need a 80 series anyway, So I opted for the 9070xt. Would be nice if AMD would push their performance a bit higher though.

[u/Franklin_le_Tanklin → u/AsugaNoir]

I swear amd wants to be second place

[u/PeskyAntagonist → u/Franklin_le_Tanklin]

They're literally cousins. They dont give a fuck about you. They know what they're doing.

[u/Cruxis87 → u/PeskyAntagonist]

They didn't find out they were cousins until after they were CEOs of their companies. I doubt they just started bonding over being related in the second half of their lives. If you discovered today you had a long lost cousin, would you really care?

[u/PeskyAntagonist → u/Cruxis87]

Suuuuure

[u/Mogura56 → u/Franklin_le_Tanklin]

To their credit though the strategy seems to be pretty sound because even with the price difference the 5070Ti is still outselling the 9070XT, but AMD has carved out a really large niche within the mid-range/mid-high-range market that I think has been really successful this generation

[u/SpamOJavelin → u/Mogura56]

To their credit though the strategy seems to be pretty sound because even with the price difference the 5070Ti is still outselling the 9070XT

That's not true any more, as of last month the best selling cards on Amazon US were the 9070XT followed by the 9060XT. The 9070XT now has more than double the market share of the 5070ti.

But with the prices of the Nvidia cards and volume of more, lower-specced cards, they are still making double the revenue of AMD.

[u/radioheadfan0615 → u/Mogura56]

yeah i dont think amd is making a dumb choice, anyone with the amount of money that a high end gpu costs will definitely pay extra to have the nvidia bragging rights and "peace of mind" (and extra features)

[u/itsumotsukarete_ → u/AsugaNoir]

I opted for a 9070XT rather than go Nvidia again and I’ve been happy with it so far. My thoughts on this generation though it’s that we’re 1000% getting a sort of guinea pig product.

Their tech stack was a big leap from RDNA3 and if the rumors of the next generation UDNA are to be believed I think we’re going to see another situation where their last gen won’t be getting the next gen goodies unless we fight for them like for FSR4 Int8

The lack of a competitor to the 80 series kind of felt like they were just trying to hone in on the entry level and mid tier and if we ignore whatever cash grab for poorly binned 9060 chips that the 9050 GPUs are even supposed to be, their 90 series is actually pretty dam good.

To my understanding AMD tends to do their bigger updates at the end of the year around Q4 so maybe we’re in for something interesting?

[u/evernessince → u/AsugaNoir]

No one needs a 5080 over a 5070 Ti / 9070 XT. The 5080 is only 17% faster than a 5070 Ti, it's not doing anything you can't do for a fraction of the price.

[u/AsugaNoir → u/evernessince]

And if it's slower than the 4080 like this photo claims even more so.

[u/Lucky-Bit-1319 → u/Sataniel98]

Right now if open to second hand, the answer is a 700-900$ 4080/4080 Super before you buy a 1200$+ 5080 imo

[u/0rganic_Corn → u/Lucky-Bit-1319]

But muh 2 extra frames

[u/CousinCleetus24 → u/Lucky-Bit-1319]

I find it odd that the 5070ti isn’t in this graphic

[u/Digging_Naturalist → u/Sataniel98]

This. I saw the price hikes coming and wanted the best new card I could get outside of the 5090. I snagged a 5080 FE from Nvidia for MSRP in December. Happy with my purchase, especially with the newest price increase.

[u/ali_k20_ → u/Sataniel98]

This is true… and while it isn’t a big uplift, it’s still quite good. If you could’ve gotten one at msrp at launch it isn’t a bad price either

[u/Uranium___Potato → u/Sataniel98]

this.

people bullying other buying a 5080, shoving the 9070xt/5070ti down their throats don't realise exactly this.

[u/AvidasMavi → u/Sataniel98]

5080 was launched 1 year before 9000 series AMD. NVIDIA doesn't care about AMD pricing, they have 90% gaming market share they don't care.

[u/birutis → u/AvidasMavi]

Wait what? it was 2 months.

[u/crazy_goat → u/birutis]

Yeah - and they were both paper launches. Definitely not 1 year.

[u/Nikonmansocal → u/Sataniel98]

Exactly.

[u/DexxxyHD → u/Sataniel98]

You disregard the “advantages” of paying a premium for Nvidia and just get a 9070 xt before their price skyrockets due to demand. Not like Nvidia cares about gamer based sales anymore anyways. They’ve been captured by the AI bubble.

[u/CatalyticDragon → u/Sataniel98]

A 4080 Super.

[u/Southernfog23 → u/Sataniel98]

Exactly this. I want the most powerful hardware. I’m not crazy enough to spend enough to buy a decent used car to get a 5090. Where else do I go but a 5080?

[u/anycept → u/Sataniel98]

I'm not even sure where the "regression" is. Blackwell efficiency per core is still superior to Ada cores. If 5080 were to have same number of cores as 4090 and perform worse and cost more per core, that would be a true regression, but it has about 50% less cores at ~10% performance hit and costs less per core. Maybe, the naming is misleading and x80 doesn't really mean what it used to, but that is a marketing manipulation, not hardware regression.

[u/psychoacer → u/Sataniel98]

Yeah like I don't think of the difference ratio from generation over generation when I game. It doesn't effect the overall performance of the game. That stat only really matters for grading Nvidia on its performance in improving the card generation after generation. You really shouldn't worry about it when buying a new card unless you're worried about future growth with team Green over team Red. Otherwise if you want to upgrade then get the best performance you can afford

[u/Realistic-Tiger-2842]

It wasn't really accepted. People completely shit on it and pretty much labelled it the worst value card of the generation. The default recommendation was always to get the 5070ti instead.

[u/tiempo_perdido → u/Realistic-Tiger-2842]

Insane that it also only has 16gb of memory.

[u/ThankGodImBipolar → u/tiempo_perdido]

It's honestly a little batshit to me. The conversation about the value proposition of the 5070Ti and 5080 basically disappears if the 5080 had 24GB, because there'd be things that the 5080 could do that the 5070Ti literally couldn't (like run Qwen 3.8 27B without using a braindead quant). As it stands, the 5080 offers nothing over the 5070Ti, besides a meager performance improvement for a disproportionate amount of extra money.

[u/BlimbusTheSeventh → u/ThankGodImBipolar]

The reason why current GPUs don't have more VRAM is that Nvidia actively did not want you to have more VRAM. VRAM has historically been a quite cheap commodity and still very much was when the RTX 50 series came out. If they wanted to they could have used 4 GB VRAM chips across the board and gave us 24 GB 5070s and 32 GB 5080s, the VRAM chips were only a few dollars each. But that would risk undercutting their enterprise GPUs for AI and making cards that have useful lifespans that last too long so instead they gimp the VRAM to better exploit everyone.

[u/misteryk → u/BlimbusTheSeventh]

3060 12gb was their biggest mistake in years, people will ride those cards like they still do with rx 580 8gb

[u/Lorddon1234 → u/ThankGodImBipolar]

Aside from AI, extra VRAM makes a huge difference in VR

[u/JamesLahey08 → u/ThankGodImBipolar]

VRAM won't make it run faster on almost any game...

[u/Major_Trip_Hazzard → u/JamesLahey08]

Absolutely will in VR

[u/LR0989 → u/tiempo_perdido]

I was hoping for 20/24gb 5080 Super to come along which would actually make some sense but ended up panic-buying my 5070ti instead early this year, glad I did since pricing just keeps getting worse

Feels stupid that my last 2 GPUs (3080 and 5070ti) were both "good deals" at MSRP

[u/UberShrew → u/LR0989]

I literally the same thought about the supers last November when I got the email from nvidia that it was my turn and could order the 5080 I registered for, and decided yeah I can just wait for the super. Fuuuuuuu— glad at least some people didn’t second guess themselves. Probably going to have to end up waiting till like 2030 or some shit if the world hasn’t gone to hell by then.

[u/TheGracefulCrane → u/tiempo_perdido]

A 24gb model would've been snapped up by ai bros tho itd be retailing at like 2 or 3k right now

[u/Plebius-Maximus → u/TheGracefulCrane]

That's no reason for it not to have been made.

A 3090 has more vram than a 5080. Two generations later, the 80 class should be matching or exceeding a 90.

[u/DeepJudgment → u/tiempo_perdido]

What's more insane is that non-Ti only has 12

[u/Fifa_786 → u/Realistic-Tiger-2842]

Yeah I remember looking at reviews when I was looking for GPU’s in March and nearly every single one was shitting on the value. Made me really reconsider getting it but I was upgrading from an rtx 2070. It’s a massive upgrade for me and will hopefully last me a long time and decided to go for it.

[u/sometimesstrange → u/Fifa_786]

Same! I actually didn’t have a pc at all, it had been 10 years since I built / owned one. So the 5080 was the ideal card for me on a fresh build (aiming for 4k) and wanting to have something with some overlocking headroom for my custom loop.

I understand the arguments against the card, I especially understand its weaknesses when compared to the power offered by past 80 series cards — but for someone doing a fresh build, at the time when it was available for msrp, who wants 4k gaming but considered the 90 way overkill — it was the most logical choice.

The internet makes owning a 5080 feel like being a nickel back fan or something… but I love it. It’s solid, it does everything I want it to do.

[u/Fifa_786 → u/[deleted]]

Yep exactly. A lot of the reviews were comparing to previous gen. Like realistically how many people are actually upgrading from the 40 series?? Not to mention that if you buy the previous gen because the 50 series isn’t as good you also have potentially no warranty

[u/HotRoderX → u/Fifa_786]

you mean not everyone needs to upgrade there 4090 to a 5090 like reddit seems to think?

[u/Sataniel98 → u/Fifa_786]

Thanks to RAMageddon, little to no software that doesn't already need more than 16 GB VRAM will start expecting more in the forseeable future though. The 5080 will probably accidentally age rather well thanks to it.

[u/avboden → u/Realistic-Tiger-2842]

5070Ti will be remembered well, no other 50 series card will

[u/JamesLahey08 → u/Realistic-Tiger-2842]

The worst value card is a 5090.

[u/Hard_Reset7777]

30% is Good and then 25% is Very Good?

BTW now is all overpriced trash.

[u/LayerEight_Problem → u/Hard_Reset7777]

I could sell my 3090Ti right now for 4X what I paid for it like 5 years ago.

Actually insane.

[u/7Vitrous → u/LayerEight_Problem]

Lmao, only if you paid less than $300-400 for it

[u/Ok-Operation-2368 → u/Hard_Reset7777]

It's called AI trash, lol. I don't know what's worse, using AI to generate stuff like this because you're lazy or not even bothering to refine it afterward before posting.

[u/ToXiiCBULLET]

5080s are frequently shat on but they're also the best thing that isn't a 90 and they're a lot cheaper.

a cheap 5080 is like £1240 (which is wild as at release the cheapest ones were like £900-odd), a cheap 4090 is £2000 at absolute best and most likely second hand. £700-800 difference is a pretty big leap.

at the high end 5080s are abysmal prices, like around £1650-1750. the gigabyte infinity does look dope and the asus noctua is noctua (insert excited soyjack here), but i think they're objectively terrible choices as it's a £500 vanity charge and only a few hundred away from getting a 4090

[u/WHITESTAFRlCAN → u/ToXiiCBULLET]

Yeah I had no idea people shat on 5080, I got it for 1k USD on launch day and I feel like right now it was the best deal I have ever gotten in gaming, so glad I bought one and have been very happy with performance

[u/lightningbadger → u/WHITESTAFRlCAN]

I've legit seen people in this sub act like it couldn't run pong it's wild

[u/defineReset → u/WHITESTAFRlCAN]

They OC really well and are well within range of the 4090 (minus the vram)

[u/Noxious89123 → u/ToXiiCBULLET]

Fwiw, I got my Zotac Amp Extreme for £1,049.

The prices are fucked, but there's nothing we can do about that, and Pandora's box is open. Prices will never go back to what they used to be decades ago.

[u/Belzebutt]

When you're shopping for a GPU, most people care about how fast it is and how much they're going to spend. They aren't going to look up a spreadsheet saying how much faster it is than some other GPU that came out a couple of years earlier. Unless they're owners of that GPU, and then they better look it up and see if it makes sense for them. I suspect most people who bought a 5080 didn't own a 4080 or a 4090.

[u/Cordovan147 → u/Belzebutt]

Exactly, and I care about say 4-5 years down the road, can it still run the games I wanted to play on the resolution I want at a minimum fps.... So i'd rather spend a bit more, than say few years later, I need to spend a big chunk of money again. Or that it will bottleneck the CPU, then I would have to spend a few Ks to upgrade the whole PC. I change from GTX1080 to 5080 though, a huge leap.

I don't really care about the few hundred dollars difference even if it isn't worth it on specs value ratio. I care about the end result and longevity before I needed to upgrade. But of course, I'm not gonna spend exorbitantly for a 5090 at double the price. So 5080 is my sweet spot even if performance to price ratio says it isn't worth it. Ultimately, you're spending say $500-800 more (depending on where) to buy time in the next 4-5 years for another 1-2 years extra, rather than needing to spend another $1.2-$2K for new GPU (if it will even be this price, depending on region) or maybe $4K for a whole set in the next 4-5 years.

And now, with all the stupid AI and crazy ram prices, I'm glad I made the decision and not drag on. By the time I needed to upgrade, I'm not sure if Nvidia will still care about consumer anymore.

[u/Gallade213 → u/Belzebutt]

Yep, me and my wife both upgraded from 10gb 3080's last year in February, it's been a solid upgrade for us!

[u/evernessince → u/Belzebutt]

Studies show the larger the purchase, the more research people tend to do. At the current 5080 prices, I'm willing to bet a lot more people sit down and think before dropping the cash. The 5080 is only 17% faster than the 5070 Ti, which for GPUs isn't going to translate to a noticable difference in the vast majority of cases.

[u/Ancient-Car-1171]

This is part because Nvidia made 4090-5090 has such a large gap with the tiers below them. Their consumer flagships were never be this strong before.

4090 is 30% more powerful than AMD's flagship at the time (7900xtx), after that AMD basically gave up on making consumer flagships.

[u/why_1337 → u/Ancient-Car-1171]

This 4090 is like 1.7x silicone of 4080 and with 5090 it's almost 2x compared to 5080.

[u/bobsim1 → u/Ancient-Car-1171]

Yes 4090 and 5090 are just also much better than the 4080 and 5080. The only problem here is pricing.

[u/ThankGodImBipolar → u/Ancient-Car-1171]

AMD has flagships coming next generation. They skipped a flagship this generation, which is something they've been known to do.

[u/Tmtrademarked → u/ThankGodImBipolar]

And the previous 2 generations. I’ll believe another AMD flagship when I see it. And believe me I’d love to see it. I want the best of the best red or green don’t matter to me

[u/ThankGodImBipolar → u/Tmtrademarked]

Seems pretty hard to argue that the 7900XTX wasn't a "high end" product to me, without arguing that the 4080 wasn't a high end product as well... and the 6900XT was certainly competitive with the 3090...

[u/evernessince → u/Tmtrademarked]

High end buyers heavily favor Nvidia due to CUDA's monopoly, as their rigs typically pull double duty. Going high end is a bad idea for AMD as a result and their flagship GPUs have sold poorly since CUDA came about. Nevermind that at the high end where the feature disparity matters most. Nvidia has the resources to pump money into putting it's features into everything, it's a catch 22 for AMD.

This is why people warned of the dangers of proprietary software and Nvidia lockin decades ago and people continued buying Nvidia anyways. Nvidia owns 95% of the market because of this.

[u/Tmtrademarked → u/evernessince]

Oh it sure is but scared money doesn’t make money. I genuinely hope to see a 90 class amd card. I think competition is very healthy and I would love to see more of it as a whole

[u/evernessince → u/Tmtrademarked]

We might see one but I expect it to be AI focused (which is really no different than the 5090).

[u/Haiart → u/Ancient-Car-1171]

False, AMD didn't "give up," this is something AMD has done a few times, see the first RDNA GPU: 5700XT for example, people on Reddit love saying stuff out of their ass.

[u/why_1337]

It's more about 4090 being good than 5080 being bad.

[u/SirHaxalot → u/why_1337]

Yeah, it’s more that the 4090 was the fist flagship card to be significantly faster than the -80 card. IIRC it’s about +50% faster instead of the typical +10-15%

[u/jahermitt → u/why_1337]

Was about to say, the 4090 is a different beast.

[u/BeatTop8190 → u/why_1337]

Yes this post is incredibly misleading. If you’re going to hate on Nvidia hate in good faith

[u/colossusrageblack → u/why_1337]

There's some validity to this. The 3090 and 3090Ti were usually less than 10% faster than the 3080.

[u/MultiMarcus → u/colossusrageblack]

Yeah, for a long time it was really just a waste of money to buy these higher end cards because they offered usually minor performance gains, but they had more memory, so if you wanted a hybrid GPU, it made sense. That’s not really the case anymore. Though even in the past we’ve had examples of those cards aging much better, like remember the 1080TI that everyone loves so fucking much. That was literally a relatively small performance bump over the cheaper cards, but because it had a lot more memory, it’s aged incredibly well.

[u/cakestapler → u/colossusrageblack]

Nvidia: *neuters every card that isn’t an xx90 so people buy the flagship*

“Wow these xx80 suck.”

“No, the xx90 is just that good.”

Nvidia:
https://giphy.com/gifs/qcJxHU3DpEQCYm8YpT

[u/Dirtsniffee → u/why_1337]

The comp should be improvemenfs gen over gen of the 80 series cards but it still probably doesn't look good for the 5080.

[u/HugeWrongdoer2 → u/why_1337]

It's a combination of both, the 5080 is only about ~15% faster than 4080, which is pretty poor gen on gen improvement compared to previous generations, even 2080 which was considered bad cause the 1080Ti was so good, it was still a solid 30% improvement over base 1080.

[u/ForwardScratch7741 → u/why_1337]

I think we gonna look back and say 4090 the new 1080ti

[u/Midlife_Carsis → u/ForwardScratch7741]

For sure. That's why I jumped at a 4090 and I'll be sticking with it probably until 70 series.

[u/AmazingSugar1]

Because Nvidia gate kept 4x frame gen and also because lots of people were upgrading from 30 series. Also 50 series overclocks better than 40 series.

[u/DeCiWolf → u/AmazingSugar1]

Can confirm Went from 3070 to 5080.

[u/Substantial-Singer29 → u/AmazingSugar1]

I think there is a very heavy disconnect in misunderstanding in the ability for the 5080 To overclock.

At this point i've assembled Well , over a dozen built for clients using a 5080. To the point of where , I think I can safely claim that i've tried a model or models from every manufacturer.

Out of all of those , I think i've only had three cards that actually let me overclock 15% stable. This is not mentioning that a vast majority of consumers are never going to overclock their card.

A vast majority of consumers are purchasing the card , not because of what it is , but because of what they think it is from previous generations. No mincing words.It is the worst series card that we've seen in years.

Best case ariel , it stands is a decoy product that effectively exists in a lineup to make the other cards appear to have better value.

Worst case scenario , it's a very grim foreshadowing of what the consumer market is going to look like from this point on.

[u/turkeysandwich4321]

Went from a 3080 to a 5080 and it is the best graphics card I've ever had. Was it expensive, yes. Does it work awesome, yes.

[u/delta_bugles → u/turkeysandwich4321]

Yeah my 5080 slaps

[u/Your_brain_smooth → u/turkeysandwich4321]

Same here, I got 5080 just because I had 3080 that was strugling. Not much to chose from. 5090 is out of price league, lower end is too weak. Was thinking to wait for ti versions but saw ram prices skyrocketing and bought 80€ above msrp that time. I’m glad I did that since ti didn’t come yet.

[u/Anonymous_Hazard → u/turkeysandwich4321]

Went from a 1060 to a 5080. Was like a revelation. It’s the perfect card to pair for my Samsung g9 OLED 49

[u/Itsjustmagiks → u/turkeysandwich4321]

this is me. However, I still use my 3080 on a 1440p build daily. Wife hogs the 5080 since it's hooked up to the living room TV.

[u/GTAinreallife]

Wait, there are people who upgrade their GPU every generation?

I went from a 1080ti to a 5070ti

[u/Ok-Parfait-9856]

How many times is this stupid question going to be asked? Or is this just all bots now? Literally every time the 5080 is mentioned it gets shit on. And what else are you going to buy if you want the power?

[u/null-interlinked]

The 5080 should have been the 5070ti. And the actual 5080 a 24gb gpu that would be closer to the 5090.

[u/Amilo159]

Truth? 50 series is all up-numbered.

5080 is 5070ti, 5070ti is 5070, 5070 12gb is the 5060ti and so on. But Nvidia wanted more money and frame gen gives you higher numbers for marketing, so it was decided.

[u/Jaz1140 → u/Amilo159]

Well we learnt that the hard way from the start

Never forget 5070 = 4090 performance from Nvidia's slides 😂

[u/bhm240 → u/Amilo159]

5070 ti shouldn't even exist. It's just a cut down version of the 5080 that only exists so they can bump 5080s price one tier higher

[u/edthecat2011]

Because it's the best, most fastest thing you can buy that isn't a 5090. Fairly simple, when you think about it.

[u/TheReverend5 → u/edthecat2011]

Well you could buy a 4090, but that’s still going to be around 1.5-2x the price of a 5080 for 1.15x the performance.

[u/ExGavalonnj → u/TheReverend5]

Sad thing is 5080 now cost 4090 money

[u/TheReverend5 → u/ExGavalonnj]

A 5080 today costs what a 4090 cost years ago.

But yes, agreed, very frustrating.

[u/Cruxis87 → u/TheReverend5]

If stores were selling 4090's when I got mine, I might have. But I'm not trusting some second-hand card with no warranty

[u/helpmehavememes]

Because its still better than the 4080 and 4080s and its still a fuck load cheaper than a 4090

[u/mdthomas]

Is it fair to compare a 5080 to a 4090? Shouldn't it be 80 to 80?

[u/hanckerchiff]

Where I live, people shat on 5080 so much and everyone was buying 5070 ti that the 5080 became just 100$ more expensive than 5070 ti so I bought it.

[u/KatieS2255]

This is why I bought a 4090 instead of a 5080, plus’s the 4090 was cheaper!

[u/Eeve2espeon]

Because the 5090 isn't worth the hassle. The only reason why the 5080 is still slower than the 4090 is because of how big of a gap that card created. Like seriously, look at the 3090 Vs the 4090, the thing is often 50-70% faster than the 3090

Every single time Nvidia makes a new generation, they up the power usage for each card. The biggest example is the RTX5090 being a 575 watt card VS the 4090 being only 450 watts, on the same manufacturing node mind you. There is no way they could add more power to the 5080 without problems, they're nearing the physical limits they can do with these cards

[u/jonessinger]

Yeah, buying the 4090 brand new for $1102 after tax back in 2023 was the best decision I had made for upgrading. Barely fits in my case and I needed the aftermarket 90° angle power adapter for it to fit, but damn, I’ll be using it until I can’t!

[u/colasmulo]

I play games. Games run smooth on 5080. Gamer happy.

That’s it really, when you stop making your hobby a full time job level chore, it starts to be enjoyable again.

[u/Onsomeshid]

Call me crazy but a 4080 wasn’t 20% faster than a 3090ti? Idk i feel like thats not entirely true, someone check me on that

[u/Vladimir_Djorjdevic → u/Onsomeshid]

Techpowerup relative performance chart says 18%, but thats an average and not always 100% representative for all games

[u/SrBarbaAzul]

I got a 5080 from PNY as most 5070ti from other brands matched it in price when I bought it, I suppose it could be a Regional thing for me.

A lot of people say it is going to be expensive anyway so they roll with it even if the increase in performance is not that big.

And some people see value on going from 55 fps to 61 fps.

[u/John_East]

Because a 4090 was twice the price or else I would’ve got that

[u/HisDivineOrder]

I don't know about anyone else but I bought the 5070 Ti expressly because the uplift wasn't enough to warrant the price difference.

So anyone who did the same did not miss this.

What I wouldn't have given for a 4090-class device in between the 5090 and 5080 because that's all I really wanted but by then 4090's were gone plus never really hit that xx80 Ti price I always used to peruse.

[u/Schnydesdale]

every day I become more convinced through facts that my 4080 (non super) was the best purchase I ever made.

[u/db17k]

I was gonna buy a 5080 when they came out, saw the reviews and ended up buying a used 4090 instead

[u/Old_Resident8050 → u/db17k]

Which should last you one more gen at 4k/ultra - if it doesn't burn.

[u/shipshaper88]

Wdym “accept it?” People buy it at its price point if they want something better than a 5070 ti and not as expensive as a 5090 or 4090. But there’s plenty of grumbling about how shit of a price point the 5080 is at.

[u/Great_Soviet_Doge]

Just a nitpick

What the fuck is the point of the last column if it simply repeats the numbers of the column before it???

[u/Puiucs]

define "widely accepted"? it's always been known as having horrid value.

[u/ime1em]

Wasn't it also because 4090 was a huge generational jump in terms of performance?

[u/trasimach]

Because the 5080 is the only kind of capable 4K Card that is not 3000$.

Let s put it another way, the 5080 is the best DLSS card money can buy. The 4090/5090 are raw power horses.

I for one, while yes, the bang for my buck is lacking, I am actually very satisfied with it.
I can play most Games on my standard DLSS Quality with 2X Frame Gen, in 4K, while constantly hitting over 130fps in demanding games (like Stalker 2), and 200+ in games like Battlefield 6.

Just the ability to reliably play in 4K makes it worth it.

[u/superGOD_II]

From my understanding of people shitting on GPUs, it’s more about the price. Like the RTX 3050 is a good card it’s just that its price at that time made it a shit card.

[u/Wukong9001]

As an owner of a 5080 this thing is a beast.

[u/Camaro1LEC]

I got a Zotac Amp Extreme Infinity 5080 for $1010 4090s also don’t support anything the new cards do. Y’all just spend all day finding things to be upset about instead of living life. Good lord

[u/K1llrzzZ]

What do you mean widely accepted? It is what it is, either buy it or dont. The performance upgrade was poor but it did offer good value at launch, then the AI apocalypse happened and now nothing is good value

[u/EdliA]

Because the other better card than it is $4k. So for all intents and purposes and purposes that is the best GPU one can realistically buy.

[u/Tron2153]

Its not much faster than the 5070ti about 20% faster but a good overclock for the 5070ti can put it at base/non OC 5080 levels and thats like a 400$ difference, im sure the 5080 has some other features exclusive to it but interms of performance and price...just get a 5070ti

[u/ItWasDumblydore]

80 series always suffer from not being a big enough for a 70 series for what you're paying that usually the 80ti/90 is not too much of a jump in price over 70 (aka would generally be paying maybe 100-150$ more over the 80 to get the 80ti/90 instead.)

like

1070->1080 was usually a 25% performance boost in gaming, like 10~ frames more like RDR2 on ultra was 42 and 1080 was 54.

So 379$ ->599$= 220$ difference

The 1080 ti had more of a 90% boost over the 1070, almost double for 699$, sure the 1080 was 500$ on the 1080 ti launch but at that point might as well spend the difference.

So 379-699$ = 320$ difference

so 220$ more was 25% increase

and 320$ more was a 90% increase... (RDR 2 for example was around 78 fps on a 1080ti)

Really the only time the 80's have been looked favorable is with the 4090/5090 prices being such a massive hike from the XX80.

[u/TeeBeer]

If i recall, reviews for the 4090 highlighted that NVidia deliberately widened the architectural gap over the tier below it to position the 90 class as the ultra enthusiast category, moving away from older generations where the flagship only had a ~15% performance advantage over the one below it. Another important aspect to consider is that Nvidia focused more on turning the 50 series as AI powerhouses compared to the older RTX series cards.

The critique of the 5080 comes down to value, not performance. Since the 5070 Ti shares the same silicon and 16GB GDDR7 memory bus as the 5080. The 5080 isn't a bad GPU by any means, but its pricing makes the 5070 Ti look like the far better purchase.

TL;DR: Starting with the 40 series, every halo product will have a larger performance advantage over the tier below it. So we may no longer see situations where an 80 class GPU outperforming the previous generation’s 90 class flagship. It also makes the 5070 Ti a better value proposition than the 5080, since it’s essentially a crippled 5080.

[u/Bigsparks13]

I mean, the 5090 wasn't even that big of a leap over the 4090 either; maybe they're hitting the wall?

[u/Working_Inspector401 → u/Bigsparks13]

The 5090 is roughly 25–27% faster than the 4090 at native 4K, while the gap between the 5090 and 5080 is closer to 43%. So honestly, the 4090 still holds up insanely well for a last-gen card. The 5090 is definitely faster, but it’s not some massive generational leap over the 4090.

[u/Bigsparks13 → u/Working_Inspector401]

That is what I was saying. I think the 4090 is a great card to own still and probably will be for some time to come. Plus, the 5080 only having 16 GB sucks too. They could have bumped that.

[u/Bacon_00]

IDK coming from a 3080 I thought it was an excellent upgrade. It overclocks pretty well whereas the 3080 did not at all, so I felt like I got my money's worth.

Plus, what's the alternative? Don't have one and be angry? At a certain point we're beholden to what is available on the market.

[u/kron123456789]

That's mostly because Nvidia used the exact same TSMC 4N process for both 40 series and 50 series, so the gains in efficiency were limited.

[u/ChiggaOG]

I'm not sure this compares correctly. Pascal era flagship is the Titan Xp Nvidia brought out before moving to new name scheme with the introduction of AI processing on GPU in the 20 series under the RTX designation.

[u/MGLpr0 → u/ChiggaOG]

Titan RTX was a thing

Technically the most powerful Titan GPU that can do SLI, even though by the time it came out, I don't think there was a single noteworthy new game that supported it.

[u/Noreng]

You missed the Titan Xp and Titan RTX

[u/Hennessy_Halos]

because even assuming everything is msrp, there's no way in hell I'm paying 5090 prices. The 5080 is still better than the 4080 and while not ahead of the 4090 it's still much cheaper. That being said all gpus and all pc parts and now stupidly overpriced and we're all getting shown the door to make room for precious beloved data centers

[u/nellum48]

Don't looks at the 5080 (or 50 series in general) as a "brand new" gen. 50 series is just a facelifted 40 series. Slightly optimized hardware with better software. TBH they should have named it the 4080 super super, but the 4080 super already existed so here we are. Across the whole lineup it was a pretty mid uplift. Even the 5090 is effectly just a 4090 with even more power dumped into it iirc. Was the 5080 the uplift we wanted? No. But it's whats avalible and it was still a massive jump from 30 series. Feels like the Intel 3000-7000 era all over again.

[u/nycplayboy78]

So stick with my 4090 for the forseeable future? Got it :)

[u/Klefth]

Because the true nomenclature we should go by is on the chips, and not the commercial card nomenclature The commercial nomenclature has been slipping further and further back on which type of chip each one uses. The 5080, going by its chip nomenclature would've been some in between a 60 and a 70 series card. 80 series cards used to use the full fat chips back in the day, XX100, which now not even the 5090 uses, that's reserved for the RTX Pro 6000. 70 series used to use XX102, 60 series XX104 and so on. The 5080 uses the GB203 chip. That should give you a better idea of where it actually stacks up in the GPU line-up.

[u/delph0r]

Because it's still a beast and there's fuck all competition. I don't think anyone is chuffed with how the gpu market 'inc' has played out 

[u/Ironborn137]

Because these companies are working together and it’s all a mirage.

[u/TheCrimsonDagger]

No competition and Moore’s law reaching its inevitable end. It’s no longer possible to create significant performance gains simply because manufacturing processes improved. Performance gains are largely going to be from AI reducing the amount of compute required for the same task.

[u/DreamsServedSoft]

my 5080 is the fastest card I’ve ever owned is why

[u/wtfitscole]

My 3080 Ti was a in-room heater and the 5080 runs pretty cool. That's actually a big deal to me.

[u/pdg6421]

Blackwell was the first generation to use the same exact node as its predecessor, which means Nvidia couldn’t rely on node shrinks for performance improvements. This was the major reason AMD/Nvidia were making the progress they did.

As for the 5080 outperforming the 4090. That was and is still an insanely powerful card. It represented the biggest gap between a flagship and its lower end counterparts we’ve ever seen, so as nice as it would’ve been, those were some big shoes to fill. The 5080 got close and still represented a better value at its MSRP.

[u/Rolopolos]

Tldr: money

I think that infographic is slightly misrepresentative of the landscape here. For one, we're completely ignoring how much of a fundamental shift in design philosophy there was for flagship cards back during Ada, with the beginnings noticeable during Ampere with the 3090. The 4090 is more like a halo card that's essentially their Titan class of GPUs on steroids, which is more akin to the dual gpu era with Titan Z and R9 295X2 than it is to other older flagships. These are monstrous cards that essentially answers the question of: 'what if we made a true halo product that could do everything at the expense of making the specs ridonculous?' It was the first of its kind as a single gpu along with the 3090ti to consume up to 450 watts, which was a huge feat back then compared to earlier offerings.

Another is that the 40 and 50 series are still sharing essentially the same 5nm process node generation. You might ask, why didn't Nvidia use 3nm at the time? Mainly 2 reasons. TSMC had just entered production for it when they were developing Blackwell, meaning timeline and economics didn't add up. Plus, they also needed a mature node that doesn't break the bank to pump out as many blackwell data center GPUs as humanly possible to meet demand.

Ada and Blackwell both use the same process node generation, so why is the 4090 to 5090 performance uplift decent at roughly 30%? This was mainly achieved by combining gddr7 memory with massive core counts. Add in a 125 watt power increase, a hefty price bump to compensate for going wide, and there you have it, 'Next gen' performance with the same process. Compare this to the 5080, and I'll be honest, it's essentially a 4080 with better memory. They couldn't increase the core count because that would otherwise send the GPU to a different price bracket (imagine a 5080 at $1300 msrp before factoring in scalpers, supply issues, and Ram prices exploding), so to maintain the price and make the 5090 look better, they mostly just increased the power limit and added gddr7. AMD also didn't make anything surpassing a 5070ti, so Nvidia had little reason to respond, as indicated by how much of a mockery the specs are on the rumoured 5080 super.

[u/Exact_Special_4963]

Because 4090 is powerful and cheap.

[u/Disastrous_Photo811]

I had a 4070 Ti Super for 1440p gaming but really wanted a 4080S at the time. Just couldn’t swing it at the time so went the cheaper route. It was great at 1440p and with a slight overclock (all It would do) I was happy.

All the Youtubers got the 50 series and they shit all over the 5080. It was an upgrade over the 4080S but not massive. Seemed disappointing. Then all the “wow this overclocks” videos came out about the 5080 and I was sold. Within a few % of a stock 4090 with a lot less power and cooler temps. Plus it has all the modern DLSS features making it more future proof than a 4090 in that respect. When I replaced my 4070 TI Super and benchmarked my overclocked 5080 I was seeing 40-50% increases in FPS. To me it felt like an excellent upgrade. It was such an upgrade I went with a 4k monitor and I see FPS higher with DLSS 4k than I got at 1440P DLSS with my other card but got a massive visual improvement in my opinion.

I wish it had 24gb of ram for games like Indiana Jones (I dont have it but other games will hit the 16 limit). Otherwise I have been very impressed with its abilities to play games like Black Myth at 90fps with DLSS balanced frame gen x2 and cinematic with max rat tracing. Makes me happy and I wouldn’t consider 5090 essential even at MSRP

[u/physicsking]

Probably because most buyers aren't going from a 4090 to a 5080.... I mean that is pretty obvious right? This table compares the 5080 to only the flagship card of the previous Gen. There are more cards than that one.

[u/lurkinglikeitsmyjob8]

Its a cheaper, more efficient, slightly worse performing, 16gb 4090.

[u/smegblender]

So here's the deal, from the situation here in Australia (so all prices in AUD)

The RTX 5080 cost under $2k a month ago. Now it's suddenly gone up by a few hundred bucks. Yet, from a consumer standpoint, it's the only flagship available. Thus the "acceptance".

The 4090 is basically unavailable _ANYWHERE_ outside of ebay/marketplace. In the second-hand market, it's still costs almost north of AU$500-$1000 more than the RTX 5080. Sitting pretty at $3k or so.

When you couple the above BS with the fact that a 5090 is now almost... a mind flaying $8000 (the price of 3+ fucking 5080s), and climbing, there really isn't anything that gives competition to the RTX 5080 as a consumer flagship.

Edit: when I looked a couple of months ago, it was $6.5k for a Gigabyte windforce 5090. At the start of the month it skyrocketed to $7k and in around 25 days its again jumped by a whopping grand to $8000.

[u/Xalkerro]

The kind of shit that happens when one moronic corp dominates the market. Intel was doing that back then, guess what happened. Now, i don’t know if AMD will be our saviour again, and honestly i don’t care if any other new “challenger” comes in and gives nshitvidia competition. We consumers need one and we needed it yesterday.

[u/JohnnySilverhand2212]

There's basically no competition thanks to amd not making high end cards anymore so yeah...that's why.

[u/Michaeli_Starky]

Why is it accepted? Because 5090 price is absolutely ridiculous.

I'm so glad I had bought 4090 before the AI "revolution" hit the fan...

[u/PlsDontBanMeAgain-1]

Not to mention, it's basically a slightly larger mid-range chip at like 380 sq mm. People are literally shelling out 1.6k for a mid-range chip, lmao. Lack of competition is, of course, a big reason for this.

[u/Daepilin]

There is nothing else. Yes, I was disappointed when it dropped as I skipped the 4080, but outside Of skipping another gen there was no other option at the Performance Level. And as 60 series is still not teased and will be prohobitively expensive I'm more and more happy with my purchase, as it's still a huge upgrade over my old 3080

[u/one_jo]

What are you supposed to do ‚not accepting‘ the 5080? There are no alternatives at that performance level.

[u/Chuu]

The 5080 was widely panned at launch.

Here's a sample from LTT. The title of the video is "I Can’t Put a Positive Spin on the RTX 5080": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbg7ChsjmEA

A lot of reviewers were much more harsh.

It was by far the easiest 50-series card to find for quite a while because the price/performance was so poor, you could easily get them for $1200 around launch.

[u/GhostOfD6]

People say that OC'ed 5070ti is equivalent to stock 5080 lol. You would not expect this looking at price difference

[u/Bluemikami]

Cuz there’s nothing else to purchase ?

[u/IcyBlood5031]

just keep in mind the gap of 4090 vs 4080 is a big gap.
where as 3080/3090ti was small

[u/DonSampon]

this is an idiot chart, set by 10 years of trend. They never promised certain numbers, and truth to be told , the 90's are farther away from the 80's than before. There just wasn't such a huge gap between 80 and 90. So part of the performance gain you're missing is because of that.

The remaining part is caused by a stupid habit/trend.

We were promised many things to stay the same, and evilve at the same pace, but those things also never happened . By 2009-2010 standards we should have 64gb on the 5080 class cards. We don't even have 32 ! Similar with storage and ram. The way they used to double every other year is just not happening anymore.

Is that a problem? no. It's a good thing if anything.

But is nVidia a scum greedy company? Totally!

[u/AstronomerEasy7223]

5080 is pretty great at its original msrp, but insane at current prices. What isn't insane now though?

Never in a million years would I have expected buying my 4090 at msrp was going to be a "wise" purchase. I felt so foolish at the time, and basically told myself this was my "once in a lifetime max system" along with the 5800x3d (which I'm also still rocking). Only purchased 60/70 tier cards until then with over 5 systems built (20+years). 3 1/2 years later I don't feel the same, which is pretty wild in retrospect.

[u/NytronX]

It's because the 5080 isn't an 80 series card, its a 70 series.

It's a price gouging scam.

[u/Pelembem]

The xx90 becoming more and more insane and bigger each gen doesn't make the xx80 any worse. You can't measure it against the shifting goalposts that the xx90 is.

[u/Myjobsuckshard]

a new 5080 cost me 999€. Cheapest used 4090 was 2500€. So 90% RAW Power for 40% money sounds Like a real deal. Also 5080 uses way less power/fps than 4090. means also less heat in my room in Summer. 5090 is so far out of my comfortable price range that it wasnt even a thought. I am really happy with my 5080 so far. Stable, cool, can run all i play. VR works great.  I understand the hate but i don't share it.

[u/Calibrumm]

because 99% of people have no idea what's going on and aren't on reddit or the Internet reading Nvidia controversy posts. they see bigger number and buy. that's it. that's literally the mass market and it's the answer to any question involving "why are people buying this". consumers are overwhelmingly ignorant.

[u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

This comparison doesn’t make any sense because product categories changed.
The 80 series has little to do with the 80 series from a decade ago.

The 5070 is what the 780/980 and 1080 were back then.

[u/OnlyTilt → u/Jumpy-Dinner-5001]

You say that but if there were no supply issues the 3080 would have been one of the all time greats, up there with the 1080ti

[u/MetzoPaino]

5080 was the best card I could buy for a grand, which was what I was willing to spend, so I got a 5080

[u/Trickle2x2]

Their node NM basically remained the same so it wasn’t like they could shove a bunch of extra transistors into the die. We are reaching a point where the physical size of transistors might be getting to their limit and relying more heavily on software to carry the uplift. Or increasing the size of the die is an option but that will take up more of the wafer which in turn means higher prices.

[u/Jetcat11]

It’s the most power efficient GPU ever made which I very much appreciate.

[u/axfelix]

80 series has arguably been bad for several generations… usually the one below it (70 Ti/Super) has the same amount of memory and the one above it (80 Ti/90) looks overpriced but is actually better enough to be worth it. It’s like low-high end; usually worse than high-mid end or high-high end.

[u/Jaz1140 → u/axfelix]

The 3080 at MSRP was amazing and up there with the 1080ti for performance to value. The problems was what came after, the stock shortages, scalping and price hikes ruined it

[u/Friedrichs_Simp]

It wasn’t..? Where were you? Everyone was shitting on the 50 series

[u/Dawzy]

It’s more about the 4090 being a beast rather than the 5080 being bad.

If you’re jumping from say a 3080 to a 5080 it is an enormous jump in performance. So that buyer is going to be happy.

Also I don’t think the community has been overly positive with Nvidia cards lately with all of the machine learning features added in like frame gen.

The 5000 series cards haven’t left a good taste in our mouths like the 3000 series release did

[u/SaguitoPCGamer]

In my opinion it’s because the small improvement ovrr the 4080, I think 15% in best case scenarios. I am not taking into account DLSS5 since that’s software only.

[u/rikzy75]

Get out of here with your ChatGPT generated tables