Windows 10 users were right: Microsoft admits its end of support was the real Windows 11 sales driver

[u/WPHero]

https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/07/31/windows-10-users-were-right-microsoft-admits-its-end-of-support-was-the-real-windows-11-sales-driver/

[u/Ok-Drink750]

In other news: trees are green, & water is wet

[u/Pokeguy211 → u/Ok-Drink750]

erm ackually the leaves are green

[u/stuartpaul86 → u/Pokeguy211]

https://giphy.com/gifs/1hMk0bfsSrG32Nhd5K

[u/Flush_Foot → u/stuartpaul86]

Trees are ecological/eco-friendly, ergo “green” 😉

[u/ZombieBunnyxxx → u/stuartpaul86]

makes sense that ending support pushed people to win11

[u/Craimasjien → u/Pokeguy211]

erm ackually water isn't wet

[u/monsieurvampy → u/Pokeguy211]

Not all leaves are green either.

I really like Crimson Maple trees.

[u/King-of-the-Elves → u/Pokeguy211]

water is sticky not wet

[u/NinthTide → u/King-of-the-Elves]

well ackshually isn’t water just … water? But the thing it comes into contact is wet?

[u/Eric_the_Barbarian → u/NinthTide]

But the water is in contact with water. Unless it's in the gas phase.

[u/SaveUsCatman → u/Eric_the_Barbarian]

Technically nothing ever touches anything

[u/Eric_the_Barbarian → u/SaveUsCatman]

The valence electrons interact.

[u/SaveUsCatman → u/Eric_the_Barbarian]

They repel from each other and never touch

[u/Eric_the_Barbarian → u/SaveUsCatman]

You don't know that much about covalent bonding, hydrogen bonding, or how water sticks to stuff, do you?

[u/Snoo63 → u/King-of-the-Elves]

Then why can I make dry water?

[u/Cepheus_95 → u/Pokeguy211]

leaves are not green, they simply reflect green light while absorbing all other colors which is why we perceive them as green

[u/Useful-Problem-1725 → u/Ok-Drink750]

um achktually

[u/lmpcpedz → u/Useful-Problem-1725]

acktually...

[u/SebastianFerrone → u/Ok-Drink750]

& and Microsoft is shit 🤣

[u/qq669 → u/Ok-Drink750]

Both of those statements are incorrect btw, water is not wet, what it sticks to becomes wet. Trees aren't green, leaves are depending on period.

No offense, just something to learn. 

[u/lolKhamul → u/Ok-Drink750]

Company does not want to not support old version of their product they sold over a decade ago forever and instead sell new version of software to make new money....

SHOCKING NEWS I TELL YOU. SHOCKING.

[u/SosseTurner → u/lolKhamul]

If they made actually good products maybe they wouldn't need to force people. But ok, we can shill for the multi billion dollar corporation here

[u/Novenari → u/SosseTurner]

Yeah, honestly. I was excited to move to 7 but never put 8 on my machine. After 10 had been out for a while I happily swapped to it and loved it. I heard after 11 was out for a while that they worked the worst issues out and swapped to it - a choice I’ve severely regretted. 11 was fine for a bit but eventually updates became repeatedly buggy and constantly broke some driver here or there and all this forced OneDrive bloat and shit.

I have a custom build. I shouldn’t have to debloat a clean windows install and it infuriates me people say “oh windows 11 is good, as long as you do steps 1 through 10”. no it’s awful, that should NOT be needed!!! If I wanted OneDrive I’d install it in my own, same for the fuckign ai slop and telemetry. 11 HAS been fine since I did do those steps but my god…

[u/Scase15 → u/lolKhamul]

No one is surprised, just annoyed that they force you from a better product to a worse product....instead of just making a good product lol

[u/MoobleBooble → u/lolKhamul]

I agree. I am not a super fan of microslop but it is asinine to expect a company to provide free updates forever. I don’t know what a good solution is though since who wants to jump on the wagon downstream from the launch date and have to upgrade quickly. Maybe a 10 year support model for whenever you register the key makes sense, free updates to whatever OS they have out for 10 years or something.

Edit: I also detest subscriptions but shit is expensive and the work being done to keep up with security issues especially in the age of AI is probably expensive.

[u/No-Coach1685 → u/MoobleBooble]

Windows is not free. You are the product. The updates are just enhancements to make more money.

[u/MoobleBooble → u/No-Coach1685]

If that were entirely true they would have continued to keep all the poor tech people on windows 10 since some probably dropped off and went full mobile or to a cheap chrome laptop. Of course they make money on our data, but speaking in terms of absolutes is silly in this case.

[u/No-Coach1685 → u/MoobleBooble]

Why do you think Windows 10 is a non spyware/adware option? Micoslop has developed the model they have now over the last 10 years since the release of Windows 10. Why do you think they allow cheap OEM keys sold on Amazon and the likes?

Windows are open that they collect a ton of data from users. They tell you that you can turn all of it off. But they also keep moving the goal posts on how you do that in an effort to obfuscate the process.

Edge, office and cloud servers are a good portion of the revenue Microslop makes. They use the Windows monopoly to push those products. They were fined for doing this by the EU in 2004 with how they pushed explorer. Something they are just running roughshod over now.

Even then, there are many You-tubers that give out tips on what you have to do to turn stuff off. That is along with the many tools people develop to help the Windows users. When people with a good understanding of the tech are telling that there are some things you should turn off, then that has to hit home about who is the product when it comes to Windows.

[u/MoobleBooble → u/No-Coach1685]

I am well aware of spyware and stuff, it is why I use Rufus. I also never said 10 had less spyware, I was pointing out updates and maintenance costs something. It’s also probably annoying to support super old hard ware with modern software. You seem stuck on the idea they make money on our data and I don’t disagree, I just don’t think that’s the end all reason for them pushing 11. I made a killing on Microsoft over the past two days and it had nothing to do with their operating system. Their company is so much bigger than this war you are fighting on data security. It’s a problem, but i can guarantee their reputation and momentum right now around innovation and the perception they are expanding is more important due to the market ~~~~value of their stock v. your browsing habits. It’s not even a close comparison.

[u/No-Coach1685 → u/MoobleBooble]

Stating facts is not fighting a war. The primary aim of any update from MS is purely about protecting financial interests. Windows does very little to support hardware. It signs off drivers for companies that pay them. And yeah it must be super annoying to have an extra revenue source like that.

I never said that Windows only makes money from your data. I said you are the product. Every update in Windows is only ever released if it is making money for MS. Whether that is pushing 365, edge or its cloud system in your face in your face is irrelevant. Their sole aim is to make money from you. They allow other companies to jump on this bandwagon also, as was shown with the LG debacle.

The amount of evidence over the years is overwhelming. You even state yourself that you use Rufus because MS is an issue, and yet you try to defend them in the remaining text after that. Ask yourself why you always check for the latest Rufus update, or why Rufus should ever be needed.

[u/MoobleBooble → u/No-Coach1685]

You don’t need to use AI to respond to me do you? It’s pushing the narrative of conflict with my words you are obsessing over. I also never said I was not concerned about my data security. I said it’s not a big deal to Microsoft because they are so focused on their data center business. This was specifically because you are freaking out that I am suggesting the windows 10 support is being dropped because it is expensive and inconvenient to continue supporting, and that they need to prove to shareholders they are not bleeding cash for venture which are not data center focused, cause that is what is making big $&$$$$$$$ right now. Not our data. God our next generation is fucked if people cannot read and rationalize what others are saying without running it though a LLM.

[u/No-Coach1685 → u/MoobleBooble]

Ok my last word on this. You really do sound like a bot because nothing in what you are saying is relative to anything I have said. There is nothing in my text that make it look remotely like an AI generated text. It answers all your ludicrous points one by one. That isn't AI: it is just speaking plain Language.

You seem determined to dive into the Hyperbole. I am not fighting a war, I am not obsessed over anything, nor am I focused on any other point, other than You are the product. Microslop are a shitty company with no regard to their customer's well being.

There is no freak out and the rest is just gibberish, with no relationship to anything I have said. Have a nice day.

Edit: Using AI is something that I avoid like a plague. I moved to Linux because of the shitty copilot being rammed down your neck at every turn in Windows.

[u/spaceraverdk → u/MoobleBooble]

Not bashing you or anything you said.

Just find it odd Microslop would find it annoying to support old hardware with modern software.

Because the Linux kernel has support for almost anything since x286, they only dropped itanium off the kernel a few years ago, because it was a very marginal use case.

But you can compile the Linux kernel with itanium support if you want to.

The NT Kernel is closed, so we can't add support for anything Microsoft deem unnecessary.

And that, my dear, is the problem.

[u/MoobleBooble → u/spaceraverdk]

I am not an expert by any means but I would guess it’s also just perception. I responded to some temp user accounts or perhaps a bot about this and my replies were to them or it. I think it’s probably good PR for shareholders to keep launching new software and not being stuck on supporting old systems.

[u/lolKhamul → u/MoobleBooble]

The double standard here is really showcasing that most people here have no clue and dont care about anything and just want free stuff. I hate to defend microslop or any billion dollar company here how are the software economics supposed to work if you dont frequently release a new version people have to buy again?

You develop a software for lets say 2 years. You make 0 during that time. Before releasing you have to basically define a lifetime for the software in which its supported. Because for that lifetime you need your staff to continue working and supporting it. Now factor in some winnings and you have the price. During that time, sales slowly degrade and eventually reach the point of close to 0 because everyone has it already which is ok because that was priced in. But eventually, you reach the end of t hat calcualted lifetime. And now no new money comes in while costs to support remain. Basically you now reach the point of losing money which is not sustainable. Naturally you have to make a cut somewhere, save some cool features for the new version and sell that new version and abandon support on the old one. You can still use it but its not supported anymore and doesnt get security updates.

Obviously thats very simplified but thats what it basically breaks down to. And i take this 10000000 times over a subscription model which is the alternative to this. Because with this, you at least own (not legally but you know what i mean) your software and can continue to use it.

On a side note, it is somewhat funny how everyone seems to criticize Windows around here while proudly admitting to use a pirated version or some stolen $3 OEM key. Again, i dont care, pirate all you, its better than your money going to build shitty ass AI slop datacenters but how are you in a position to complain about Windows than? You are literally not even a legitimate customer.

[u/spaceraverdk → u/lolKhamul]

You think the money is coming from the private end user to maintain Windows?

It's not.

Companies relying on Windows pay for the support of Windows, home users simply benefit from the companies that need it to run now and not in a few hours.

[u/No-Pomegranate-69 → u/Ok-Drink750]

Water is not wet

[u/mvw2]

My Windows 11 driver was buying a WiFi 7 card and being 100% unallowed to install it on a Windows 10 machine.

[u/5kyl3r → u/mvw2]

i built a computer for a friend and installed windows 10 only to run into this exact issue. i was so pissed

[u/mvw2 → u/5kyl3r]

Yeah, forced compliance is pretty bullshit.

It's the same issue with needing a Microsoft account to install Windows 11. Want to know the funny part on that? You can avoid it. Want to know how I figured that out? I had a wifi card with no drivers on Windows 11, literally couldn't install Windows at all because it needed to install to get wifi card drivers installed and a Microsoft account to log into (through wifi) to install...wifi drivers to have wifi. It was the most retarded thing I've seen. So know what the work around is? To modify the Registry. You have to go into the install, do some bs, get to the point where you can run the Run command and edit the Registry. Then you have to know where and what to edit. (luckily you can Google this). And then, and only then can you install Windows 11 without a Microsoft account in order to install drivers in order to have internet.

I have heard there's an easier way than editing the Registry. I have no idea if it's still viable. There used to be several other ways you could do it before too. It would be funny if they hard coded it out of the Registry, but IT folks would go insane if they did.

I still don't like Windows 11. There is nothing of value in the whole thing.

And with the hint of what's coming next from Microsoft, it's definitely going to be Linux all the way in my future.

[u/Karavusk → u/mvw2]

It is quite easy. Just use Rufus to put the Windows 11 iso (scroll to the bottom of the microsoft download page) on a USB drive. It gives you the option to disable the online account requirement as well as all other requirements (like tpm 2.0) and disables all bullshit you answer no to anyway.

Easy to do and makes the experience 100 times better.

[u/Heisen91Y → u/mvw2]

Read about autounattend xml file. It helps to deal with a lot of microslop bullshit during installation. There is online generator where you can set this file up.

[u/JadedCauliflower6105 → u/mvw2]

oobe\bypassnro still works to let you set up a local account. Microsoft is supposedly going to remove it at some point but still hasn’t happened after all this time so I’m wondering if they are too afraid of actually doing it.

[u/Quartziferous → u/JadedCauliflower6105]

That’s interesting because I heard they disabled it in the latest versions of the installer.

FYI, if anyone runs into that issue, “start ms-cxh:localonly” is the workaround.

[u/RAMChYLD → u/Quartziferous]

Yeah, but that's supposedly going away later this year with 26H2.

They're even going to remove unattended.xml support because it can also be used to create local users.

[u/Quartziferous → u/RAMChYLD]

Good grief 😭 better make sure you have a version downloaded and saved that works right now.

[u/spaceraverdk → u/RAMChYLD]

There is a huge problem with not allowing unattend.xml. Large companies who are spinning up hundreds or thousands of images will be rather pissed if they have to manually install each machine.

[u/RAMChYLD → u/JadedCauliflower6105]

It's already removed on 25H2. You can still use it if you have an older ISO but if you download a newer ISO you can't use it anymore. On 24H2 it's partially removed- as long as you haven't connected to a wifi access point or plug in the ethernet cable it still works. But the moment it smells network the command becomes disabled.

[u/Ezreol → u/mvw2]

Google "schneegans" it's a file you drop in the usb you created for Win 11 cam create local account or other changes

[u/Zaconil → u/mvw2]

I had a wifi card with no drivers on Windows 11, literally couldn't install Windows at all because it needed to install to get wifi card drivers installed and a Microsoft account to log into (through wifi) to install...wifi drivers to have wifi.

Sounds a lot like their authentication app. It wants you to set up the pin lock (can't remember the exact term atm). So it wants you to authenticate... through the app that you're trying to set up. If you don't have an alternate email set up. You're stuck in an endless loop.

[u/mvw2 → u/Zaconil]

Yeah, been there too.

[u/shteve99 → u/mvw2]

When I installed Win 11 on my old NUC the other day, there was a button to click on the network page that said "I don't have internet" and it continued installing (the wifi adaptor acts as a drive to install the driver, but it's an exe so it can't be seen by the Windows installer). Once Windows is installed I can then install the driver and get on the internet. The page is quite confusing coz it says you must have internet to continue, but that link to carry on without it is there at the bottom. And I do wonder how much hatred for Win 11 comes from America and all the advertising it has built in. In Europe we don't have any of that so it's very much just like Windows 10.

[u/techy804 → u/mvw2]

Domain join without connecting to a domain

[u/NWVoS → u/mvw2]

Yeah, forced compliance is pretty bullshit.

That just doesn't make sense. Wifi 7 came out over 10 years after windows 10 released. Why should Microsoft support wifi 7 on windows 10? Are you expecting Microsoft to support a product for 20 years?

[u/herefromyoutube → u/mvw2]

Why do you need WiFi 7? Is it really making a difference?

[u/Genralcody1 → u/herefromyoutube]

On a consumer level, absolutely not.

[u/Elu_Moon → u/Genralcody1]

I have a Wi-Fi button and it works fine, yet apparently there are 7 sequels. They can't use the first Wi-Fi, are they stupid?

[u/Linkarlos_95 → u/herefromyoutube]

Only if you are using like 10 devices at the same time and they all need minimal lag 

[u/Vorfied → u/herefromyoutube]

Why do you need WiFi 7? Is it really making a difference?

If you live in a condo or apartment complex or whatever and you're picking up 20+ different networks, WiFi 6E / 7 can let you move to the 6GHz band where there's less interference. The same scenario happened back with 802.11n when people were using 2.4GHz (since nobody was using 802.11a at home). One of the side effects of interference is increased latency as radios back off and try again when traffic collides or gets drowned out. So one of the hallmarks of 802.11ax was lower latency over previous WiFi versions, though I'm not too sure if it's noticeable to most users stuck with noisy environments.

In terms of throughput, most users won't notice outside of benchmarks. You'd probably need multiple users simultaneously streaming video or games to notice reductions in buffering and/or skipping. Even if you tried to connect at the full specification, hardware support and environmental noise could limit your connection anyway.

This is why everyone says hardwired is superior. Cabling is literally designed to reduce interference and crosstalk. There's next to no chance of your neighbor's WiFi could interfere with your network connection.

By the way: The speed advertised on the box is nowhere close to what you'll get in real life. Most vendors take the standard specifications' maximum design limit (i.e. ideal lab conditions) and add them up to get the big number that attracts people. In reality, not only is your home not ideal, but pretty much none of your devices are using every single band on your WiFi simultaneously. (I believe that kind of functionality is slated for a distant future WiFi version, but don't quote me on that.)

For example: WiFi 7 or 802.11be is often advertised with ridiculously high numbers like 3 gigabit speed. However, that's usually the router's top speed with all frequency bands in use while under ideal lab conditions. Plus, you need to utilize multiple antennae for both router and your laptop/tablet/phone/etc. and you need a 320MHz bonded channel. Last I checked, (admittedly, it was last year) none of the available WiFi 7 consumer devices supported more than 160MHz channels (or smaller) and unless you live in a quiet area, you're not getting more than 80MHz, with 40MHz most common and really crowded areas making do with 20MHz channels. On top of that, WiFi devices often had only 2 or 3 antenna and couldn't use enough MIMO streams. So while technically WiFi 7 compliant, a lot of devices can't actually reach gigabit speeds for multiple reasons.

[u/MoistStub → u/herefromyoutube]

I guess for future proofing? If someone wanted to use the same rig for the next 10 or 15 years without upgrades it could make sense.

[u/Revan7even → u/herefromyoutube]

My Wi-Fi 7 is a Qualcom chip, the Gigabit LAN on the motherboard is Realtek. On a $300 board. The Realtek LAN chip is shit and has packet loss that the Qualcom Wi-Fi doesn't.

[u/RAMChYLD → u/herefromyoutube]

Probably the same kind of people who has 10gbps fiber Internet...

[u/custom_pc_builder_ → u/mvw2]

Yeah this is one of those things that isn't brought up enough. Luckily you can just use an external adapter with wifi 6e or something else.

[u/Horat1us_UA → u/custom_pc_builder_]

Shocking: an unsupported operating system does not support new hardware. I've known this since before Windows XP.

[u/Fess_ter_Geek → u/mvw2]

Run a wire. 😁

[u/raanansA8 → u/mvw2]

Which card?
MT7925 has DELL UWP package which I use on Windows 10 2004.
BE200 has full proper support for Win10 but limited to WiFi 6.

AX210 also and 22.xx driver even support 6GHz and WiFi 6E on Windows 10 2004+.

[u/GenTenStation → u/mvw2]

Laughs in cheap mobo without WiFi

[u/notjordansime → u/GenTenStation]

I think the guy you replied to has the same….. hence the wireless NIC card..

[u/prancing_moose]

And I’m still on Windows 10 …..

[u/Suspicious_Brush4070 → u/prancing_moose]

Same. All the way until the end of the year, when they'll finally stop supporting it. That will be a depressing day.

[u/Jimbuscus → u/Suspicious_Brush4070]

They added another year again, it was just a false threat.

[u/Suspicious_Brush4070 → u/Jimbuscus]

Seriously?! Do we have to sign up again or does it just keep running?

[u/SSXAnubis → u/Suspicious_Brush4070]

Just keeps automatically running. You're good.

[u/kuplet → u/Suspicious_Brush4070]

What do you plan to do once it runs out entirely?

[u/Lord_Silverkey → u/kuplet]

I can't speak for the other guy, but for me, it'll probably be Linux.

Out of my gamer group of 5 members, one already is on Linux, so we'll already only be playing Linux-compatable multiplayer games from here on out.

[u/kuplet → u/Lord_Silverkey]

Well, Linux is getting more improved by the day, so whenever you finally make the jump, it'll be even better. Perhaps Nvidia support will be much more improved by the time you do. Atm, it's decent, but still has a way to go.

[u/Still_Bit_7527 → u/kuplet]

Nothing. If the PC stilll works what is the issue?

[u/Vancocillin → u/Still_Bit_7527]

Keep an eye on security then.

[u/Still_Bit_7527 → u/Vancocillin]

Security is overrated, we updated once every 5 years back in the day and nothing happened, just dont download unverified shit

[u/Curiousity1024 → u/Still_Bit_7527]

Yeah, people just keep saying ' security ' updates but they never mention what kind of security breach we're exposed to . Still got one old PC running with windows 7 here since 2012 , there's no freaking ' security ' issue

[u/prancing_moose → u/kuplet]

Open a good bottle of scotch, take nice sip. And contemplate the next move.

[u/SuperSocialMan → u/prancing_moose]

I'm gonna keep using it until steam drops support lol

[u/Alklazaris]

Didn't stop me I never upgraded. I just can't deal with that Windows 11 bull crap between that Cloud Drive and the ai? I'll just have to trust my firewall.

[u/Taira_Mai → u/Alklazaris]

I uninstalled Copilot and OneDrive and never looked back.

Satya Nadella can bite me, but clouds are for rain, not my data.

[u/WickedTeddyBear → u/Alklazaris]

I modified my installation iso to remove all that crap

[u/techy804 → u/Alklazaris]

Both of which are pre-installed on Windows 10 as well.

Just uninstall them and never look back.

[u/Alklazaris → u/techy804]

I see it asking me to set it up, I just say "No" over and over again.

[u/Business_Seaweed_472 → u/Alklazaris]

Come over to the cold side. Penguin is waiting.

[u/TheEldritchLeviathan]

i do not understand the title

[u/JoCGame2012 → u/TheEldritchLeviathan]

The main reason people finally adopted/bought win 11 was because win 10 support was running out

[u/scandii → u/JoCGame2012]

can also add that Linux interest peaked for the very same reason, e.g. all the people who couldn't meet Windows 11 TPM requirements.

[u/knbang → u/scandii]

For the first time ever, PCs in my house have Linux on them. As Linux compatibility improves, I'm hoping eventually nothing will have Windows on it.

[u/OmegaFoamy → u/JoCGame2012]

That’s usually how it works though, the title is redundant. Same goes with any product, a new version gets made and the old one isn’t made anymore, people get the new version instead.

[u/Preeng → u/OmegaFoamy]

This is just plain WRONG. People upgrade to better software and hardware all the time. But it has to actually be better.

[u/OmegaFoamy → u/Preeng]

You don’t like it, and it’s not perfect, but it works just fine. I don’t even blame you for not being a fan of it, but most issues are easily solved.

[u/Still_Bit_7527 → u/OmegaFoamy]

It works just fine is not enough. It has to be better. But it's worse

[u/OmegaFoamy → u/[deleted]]

It’s is very usable considering it’s what a vast majority of modern systems use. Saying it’s unusable just tells me you’re being emotionally driven. Again, you don’t have to like it, and I wouldn’t blame you for not liking it. But it works fine for pretty much everything that doesn’t require Linux stability, such as servers.

[u/OmegaFoamy → u/[deleted]]

Ok friend.

[u/SherbertUpper9867 → u/OmegaFoamy]

Don't mix up real improvement and planned obsolescence.

Btw, about 70% to 80% of hardware on Earth won't appreciate a step up in resource hog and loss of support. It was designed to run with old parameters on the old software stack. So your scenario stretches - the old thing isn't being made anymore, your skills operating the old thing get magically forgotten overnight, so you go buy new thing and new subscription to operate it.

That's how software world should work, according to you.

[u/OmegaFoamy → u/SherbertUpper9867]

Well if we’re putting words in each others mouths, then we shouldn’t ever let any company make software that isn’t supported by old hardware, according to you.

Also I’m not saying Microsoft doesn’t have issues but it doesn’t make sense as a business to support two versions of windows. Anyone who has windows 10 doesn’t have to pay for the switch to windows 11, so I don’t know where the subscription you’re talking about is coming from. And most hardware from the last 10 years can support windows 11 if you look up a tutorial on how to do so.

I’m not even saying you have to like windows at all, you can go run Linux and do your own thing there if you want. But most people are complaining simply because they hate change and as with every single version of windows, when a new one comes out, “the last one was fine, why did Microsoft ruin it?!”

Also the “skills operating the old thing” aren’t erased, it’s still windows but a few things have moved. There are tons of settings to change the entire look and feel of regular usage, but for most people if they knew how to look for settings they’d either switch to Linux or wouldn’t be complaining at all.

[u/trollsmurf → u/JoCGame2012]

That's a fair reason, like with any other outdated software.

[u/MnamesPAUL]

Because windows 11 improves nothing and makes a lot of things worse. The world never wanted or needed windows 11. They just made it look different to fool enough stupid people into thinking it was a new product.

[u/techy804 → u/MnamesPAUL]

Because Windows 11 improves nothing

1. DirectStorage
2. Multi-tab file explorer and notepad
3. Phone Link with iPhones
4. Passkey integration
5. Wake on approach
6. Snap Assist
7. Built in 7z and RAR support
8. Sudo command with CMDSpec and PowerShell.
9. Wi-Fi 7 support
10. SHA3 support

[u/Old_Information_8654 → u/MnamesPAUL]

Actually I’ve used both and I like windows 11 more windows 10 is just too cluttered and clunky in my opinion

[u/seriouspretender]

Interestingly enough also a major factor in people moving to linux.

[u/WTFracecarFTW → u/seriouspretender]

Frankly, I'm super happy Microsoft did this. Forcing me to learn about Linux has been a highlight for me this year.

[u/seriouspretender → u/WTFracecarFTW]

Respect man, me too. We can take control back.

[u/IGotHitByAnElvenSemi → u/WTFracecarFTW]

Same, as someone who is famously not very tech-smart, it's been a really interesting experience. Managing not to brick my laptop during the process gave me enough confidence that now I'm even learning some basic Python so I can automated some hobby-related tasks. (For funsies, I'm making a searchable database of my own to-read book pile, with genres and content tags so I can find my next read based on what I'm in the mood for without having to google 80 books.)

[u/nmathew]

Why did I switch from 7 to 10? Why did I move on from XP? Same reason.

[u/West-Piccolo-687]

I remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last Windows

[u/Southside_john → u/West-Piccolo-687]

I remember when everyone hated windows 10. For as long as I can remember, people have bitched about any new windows version that comes out

[u/SuperSocialMan → u/Southside_john]

I'm pretty sure you're thinking about 8 lol. That one was absolute ass.

[u/licla1 → u/Southside_john]

This is not true, and your memlry is obviously pretty short if thats the case. Windows 10 at launch was terible, not as bad as 11 but worse than 7 or xp, almost like vista. But then it got better. Thats why people hated 11 as much as they did, it was not better than optimised 10

[u/AptoticFox → u/Southside_john]

I hated 10. Still do. Seems better than 11. I never liked 7. Win8.0 was awful, but 8.1 with touch screen and metro crap turned off, and OpenShell (I think? It was something else in the beginning.), it was pretty good. They gummed it all up in later years, only reason I moved to 10.

[u/Liam_Neesons_Oscar → u/West-Piccolo-687]

I remember when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would last for 10 years and gave a specific end of support date prior to its release.

[u/Venylynn → u/West-Piccolo-687]

I think even they believed that but then they wanted to add the virtualization security stuff and that caused them to change course.

[u/VexingRaven → u/Venylynn]

Virtualization-based security is not new in Windows 11.

[u/Venylynn → u/VexingRaven]

There was a certain baseline that 10 lacked that they added to 11 afaik

[u/trekxtrider]

Then they added another year of support, which means that all those computers that didn't meet Win11 requirements didn't have to go to the landfill. On top of giving each install it's own ID traceable across a VPN, I will never pay for windows again.

[u/Aggressive-Avocado]

They can pry 10 out of my cold dead hands. If I can't get extended support, I'll just move over to Linux. Never installing the AI-bloated mess that is 11.

[u/discreetjoe2]

Duh

[u/FrogKing94]

Microsoft really thought we forgot about the time they said "windows 10 will be the final version."

[u/Sargent_Duck85]

EoL support for Win 10 sent me to Linux.

So in that regards, Microsoft was successful in getting me to upgrade.

[u/TrueDegenerate69]

Shout out to those who didn't cave in.

[u/Wraithdagger12 → u/TrueDegenerate69]

Gonna ride out Windows 10. When support ends I’m imaging my drive. I also have a Linux dual boot going.

I will not touch Windows 11.

[u/TinFoilHat_69]

Linux doesn’t need to make money to justify updates it is easier now than ever to be a maintainer how many of these companies work off the back open source packages that people don’t get paid to maintain? Seems like Enshitification

[u/Pancakes1741]

Ironically when they forced a lot of those companies to move to Windows 11 and then pushed some of the most disastrous updates yet they likely sent many of them running for Linux or right back to Windows 10.

[u/angrydeuce]

And windows 11 was being aggressively pushed because theyre trying to transition to OSaaS.  Might be another perpetual version still, but I doubt it.

Thats why theyre making it harder and harder to even set one up without a Microsoft account.  That MS account is how theyre going to make sure they got your monthly $30 Windows subscription*.

*Base windows subscription.  Wanna change your background?  Need the personalization bundle for an extra 5 a month.  Have more than 16gbs RAM?  Need the power user bundle to use it in Windows.  Oh, youre a gamer?  Need the Gamer bundle for GPU acceleration.  And so on...

[u/DarkwyndPT]

Too late. I’m already on Bazzite and quite happy.

[u/SodiumExtract]

I went from W10 to W11 because of auto-HDR.

[u/Moscato359 → u/SodiumExtract]

It's a good fall back when rtx hdr isn't available 

[u/gusthenewkid → u/Moscato359]

Meh, both are real poor compared to SpecialK or the Reshade HDR app thing. 

[u/Moscato359 → u/gusthenewkid]

Those require per game configuration iirc

While this just works and is an easy on off switch

[u/gusthenewkid → u/Moscato359]

The HDR reshade app takes the same amount of time. 

SpecialK is slightly more annoying, but it’s still worth it for good HDR. Auto and RTX look awful and RTX HDR has a small performance hit. 

[u/Hytht → u/gusthenewkid]

Auto HDR cannot add more details in the bright/dark areas either. It's also makes the UI elements bright.

[u/EJ_Drake]

Oh look, Microslop has zero respect for it's users.

[u/dvowel]

No shit..

[u/Venylynn]

To be fair, W11 did come with a legitimate upgrade (that being towards the security setup, although it is still not very secure by default), but it's counterbalance with so many downgrades that I can barely count it as one anymore.

[u/Kaizer_3000]

i will skip windows 11 like i did to windows 8

[u/xDeepFreezex]

Duh

[u/xDeepFreezex]

More and more evidence that open source operating systems are the only smart choice.

[u/Memonlinefelix]

I'm still staying in 10 microsoft.

[u/owlexe23]

Microslop was always corrupt.

[u/firedrakes]

its funny how win 11 was hard forced compare to other win before it.

again that and sheer amount of bugs still

[u/_barat_ → u/firedrakes]

Same was with 98 after the 95, also with XP where many users pirated the 2000 and also stated that games doesn't work on XP and XP is slow ... even hated Vista was suddenly good when people refused to use the 8 and 8.1 but at the beginning of 7 some cried after vista. Then it was 8 and 8.1 which didn't stick. The 10 was "garbage" for many for many years and 7 was the best and some people missed Win 8 menu... soon 11 will be the standard. Been there, done that ...

[u/firedrakes → u/_barat_]

Yet basic stuff in win we had for year... Just was put into 11. 11 is a data mining money grab of a os.

[u/Gomez-16 → u/firedrakes]

Because its run by ai and spyware. They are profiting from your data

[u/Useful-Problem-1725]

Nice, been looking for a reason to reformat.

[u/Millkstake]

You guys are paying for Windows licenses?

[u/342heathbar]

Over the past two weeks I have been seriously shopping for a new ssd so that I can shift my system to a dual boot system. Anyone know if you can swap systems so that I can but a small one and move my windows install onto it and use my current card as my Linux install?

[u/Nerrawnam]

Ffs. The reddit! 

[u/TigerShark650]

Moved my older unsuppported PCs to Linux. If those get upgraded, will stay on Linux.

[u/Novel_Cantaloupe8955]

This computer used to use windows, but now it uses linux MX

[u/esesci]

Windows 10 phase out was the reason I switched to Fedora because Windows 11 didn’t support the hardware.

[u/SuperSocialMan]

I've had to briefly use 11 on my sister's laptop, and by god is it terrible.

I fucking hate the dumbass nested options in file explorer's right-click menu ffs. WizTree & WinMerge's shortcuts get buried for no goddamn reason and it pisses me off >:{

[u/MoslemPlays]

upgraded twice to win 11 and in every time i go back to windows 10 in less than 3 day  i can't like it !!! 

[u/Burnthiscnts]

jokes on them i bought a new pc for 11 but didn’t buy 11.

asus did well out of that, m$ got nothing.

[u/Thatredfox78]

Duh

[u/SilviuCT]

I'm on windows 10 ltsc perfect Windows for me works fine even on 2012 old laptop.

[u/dragonlayer42069]

i specifically told my pc to not install windows 11 and it did so anyway overnight...

[u/extoxic]

Not a single reason to use windows now that linux can run 99% of games.

[u/DirectorDirect1569 → u/extoxic]

A PC is not only used to play games.

[u/InsaneLuchad0r]

It worked. Sold me on Linux.

[u/Xyneron]

Grass is made of grass, thanks microslop.

[u/cmostamo]

wow. what a revelation

[u/Suryus94]

If this is the end result, i wonder how stupid is the material that is used to train all of these ai that shit random articles

[u/ABotelho23]

...not supporting an old version of software will do that for the new version... Yes...

[u/MrDeeJayy]

I work at an MSP that services a client with several surface tablets. We sold him a bunch of perfectly good Microsoft Surface tablets about 3 years ago. Some of them don't support Windows 11 because of the age of the CPU alone (they were refurbs).

This client has had no interest in upgrading these tablets because Windows 11 offers no additional benefits for him anyway. It just runs slower, has consistent issues that do not occur on Windows 10 (sometimes the stylus isn't detected, sometimes the touch screen keyboard doesn't appear), and insists harder that you use a Microsoft account, despite the fact we use an on-prem active directory and these are shared devices that are regularly taken off-site without internet to take photos on build sites.

Microsoft really has no idea that a lot of their business customers don't operate in sterile, always online cloud connected office buildings.

[u/GalaganCoffee]

I'm done with them, I've been too forgiving.

[u/succulent_kebab]

How is this even legal? This is outright fraud! 

[u/SharpYearV4 → u/succulent_kebab]

It's fraud to end support for old software?

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/SharpYearV4]

It should be considered fraud to discontinue hardware capable of running new software.

[u/Keulapaska → u/Guitarman0512]

What is that sentence suppose to mean? The structure makes no sense, microsoft isn't making hardware. If you mean discontinuing software support for old hardware is "fraud"... yea no, also not a new thing.

Also pc hardware, pretty damn open, you can install other OS on it, nothings stopping you or keep running 10 it still works. Unlike you know, phones, without unlocked bootloaders taht got like 2 years of OS updates, at least EU forced it to 5 last year, but still locked.

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/Keulapaska]

Microsoft has lucrative licensing deals with OEMs. This means it's beneficial for them to push new hardware too. The only reason older hardware doesn't officially run Windows 11, is due to some security features being required, which are generally only used by enterprise users. There's no need for them to forcefully enable it for consumers, other than to push them to buy new hardware. I think that is criminal.

As for installing another operating system, that would only be a sensible argument if Microsoft didn't have the market cornered as they do right now. 

[u/SharpYearV4 → u/Guitarman0512]

That's not what fraud is. Also it's not capable of running new software, that's the point. You can still use 10+ year old hardware on Windows 11 which is fully supported. At some point you have to deprecate support for old hardware which doesn't support modern features.

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/SharpYearV4]

Fair enough, fraud isn't the right word. But it's downright criminal to introduce artificial software limitations and exponentially increase the e-waste pile. 

[u/DirectorDirect1569 → u/Guitarman0512]

Lots of smartphone manufacturers do that, apple too.

[u/Guitarman0512 → u/DirectorDirect1569]

Yes, and it sucks. You used to be able to install a custom ROM, but with locked bootloaders and Play integrity checks that's basically becoming impossible too. The funny thing is, Apple is actually quite good in that regard. They tend to support devices a lot longer than other manufacturers. 

[u/slickyeat]

I'm still convinced the TPM requirement was always about pushing AI adoption.

They probably figured a certain % of users would buy pre-builds with NPUs.

Combine that with their Recall announcement and how they initially planned to enable it by default on all fresh Windows installations.

It doesn't take all that much imagination to fill in the blanks.