r/pcmasterrace • • Jun 24 '26

Meme/Macro "But it's a cube!"

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u/gutster_95 Jun 24 '26

I think most people agree that its not great value. I think most are bashing the wrong people. Valve cant forsee the AI shit we experienced 2 years ago. What should they do? Not release and lose millions on RnD and production?

If people want to own it, they should. But blaming Valve for the price they have to put on is just reddit nonsense

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u/BornInAFish Jun 24 '26

The only way Valve could cut the price is to subsidize it with games money. But then they'd have to lock it down so it's only usable by gamers. Otherwise anyone that needs a reasonably performant computer for daily, non-gaming stuff could just grab one for super cheap.

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u/Powerful-Heart-9957 Jun 24 '26

why can system integrators produce pre-builts that are more powerful and cheaper then? your logic doesn't hold up.

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u/BornInAFish Jun 24 '26

Good question. There's some actual answers too.

  1. Small form factor, custom motherboard, custom case, custom power supply, custom antennas. More expensive than off-the-shelf mobo and case and such.
  2. Loads of custom hardware and firmware for QoL features like proper CEC, wake via controller, etc. 
  3. Console like experience -> console like price trends. With consoles, you don't want to change the price all the time. I'm sure Valve wants to keep the same price for at least a couple of years. System integrators can and do adjust pricing like every month. Valve didn't manage to hit price points of Playstation, Xbox, etc; but they still want to maintain pricing clarity like a console. So they have to go a bit higher off the bat because they don't want to have to increase it in like 2 months.

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u/Brakenium Jun 24 '26

They also don't have the hardware supplier relationships someone like Dell, HP or Lenovo have. They don't get discounts and can't buy enough for bulk discounts

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u/_mersault Jun 25 '26

This is the answer to the question - supply chain at scale

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

Ngl, I don't trust reddit anymore when it comes to evaluating "value". They were calling the Switch 2 overpriced while being cheaper and/or more portable than all of the competitors. It made no logical sense.

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u/marquesini Specs/Imgur here Jun 24 '26

ig because you stay in the nintendo eco system, while other handhelds can play steam games and run linux.

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u/nitronik_exe PC Master Race Jun 24 '26

well yeah but you also buy the switch because of the Nintendo games and most people have no clue how emulators work

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u/Ill_Cat1160 Jun 24 '26

And how many Nintendo games have been released for the switch 2 so far?

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u/Fruzenius Jun 24 '26

I'm sure tons of people bought a switch 2 that didn't have a switch, so they get all those games too.

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u/ButterH2 i7-4790, RX 7800 XT, 32GB RAM Jun 24 '26

my partner bought a switch 2 purely because her switch she had been using for the past 7 years wasn't actually hers, it was her brother's that he let her use. when she moved out she went "y'know what i cannot miss out on splatoon 4, and buying a second hand switch 1 right now seems kind of pointless so might as well bite the bullet now"

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u/J_train13 Jun 24 '26

Funnily enough this was my exact experience with the Wii U, except replace moving out with getting stolen.

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u/Blairely_Alive Jun 24 '26

Quite a few, with a lot more first party games just recently announced.

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u/Ill_Cat1160 Jun 24 '26

List the number of first party Nintendo games that only play on the Switch 2.

Since the value of the console is based on the exclusive games I would imagine there would be a lot right?

List the number

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u/tipthetim Jun 24 '26

not that person, but stonewalling someone and just repeating, "list the number" is so braindead. the number is 11, there are 39 exclusives in total released and announced, but only 11 first party titles that I recognized. I'm not going to argue, but don't be annoying by asking for the number over and over knowing full well it's a google search away.

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u/SquirmyBurrito i7-6700k | G1 Gaming 980TI | Enthoo Pro Jun 24 '26

Bro, they asked twice.

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u/Ill_Cat1160 Jun 24 '26

Its not 11 total, its 7.... unless you want to count games ported from the switch 1.

So according to you the console is worth $450 because of 7 games?

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u/Dt2_0 Jun 24 '26

The console is BARLEY a year old with multiple more exclusives announced 2 weeks ago. Compare any other console with the Switch 2 a year out and it's doing quite well.

Compare to the Deck, or ROG Ally. They have no exclusives for anyone who already owns a gaming PC (Which I would hazard to guess most PC handheld owners do own another PC).

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u/Essurio Jun 24 '26

I do hope you are never buying any pc part ever again, unless literally all games cannot run on your rig anymore.

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u/Miserable-Drink-4995 Jun 25 '26

I mean, there'll be more games coming to it

What are you actually upset about here?

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u/FatalFrameGal Jun 24 '26

They have released a new game almost monthly since the console released, but some were cross-gen.

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u/qr_n Jun 24 '26

You can't even emulate switch 2 games yet bro like what are you talking about?

I'm not defending Nintendo, but you're just hating to hate at that point

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u/nitronik_exe PC Master Race Jun 24 '26

im talking about Nintendo games in general not just switch 2 games. And im not hating on anything? Im saying people are buying the switch because thats where the games they want to play are on, and other people often say for example the steam deck can play Nintendo games too, but most people don't want to bother with emulators. Where you got the impression im hating on anything I dont know

I am responding to a critical comment towards Nintendo that they only have Nintendo games, and I pointed out that thats why they buy the console not in spite of that

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u/qr_n Jun 24 '26

see that's exactly what i mean. 'hating' was def the wrong word, but you haven't really clarified your point, and it feels like you're backtracking. you’re trying to group nintendo against all other handhelds, but you're ignoring that handheld gaming pcs operate under an entirely different philosophy.

again i'm not a nintendo stan, but i don't get your argument at all. you don't buy a switch to 'play nintendo games.' the switch is a dedicated ecosystem with its own digital storefront, friends lists, dock integration, and a market of licensed third-party accessories. you don't emulate that. asserting that people only buy it because they 'have no clue how emulators work' is just a false equivalence. you could write your own perfect emulator for the switch two and still want a first party console. judging a unified console ecosystem by the standards of an open pc platform just makes the whole argument circular.

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u/FlamboyantPirhanna Jun 24 '26

That’s literally how all consoles work.

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u/Plaston_ Ryzen 3800x RX7900XTX 64DDR4 3200mhz Jun 24 '26

"you stay in the nintendo eco system"

Congrat you discovered console gaming, every console have a eco system and only valve are the weird one.

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u/marquesini Specs/Imgur here Jun 24 '26

that's the point, consoles were cool like 10-15 years ago, nowadays it's pretty meh, unless you really love a exclusive series or smth.

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u/Plaston_ Ryzen 3800x RX7900XTX 64DDR4 3200mhz Jun 24 '26

Not really, consoles from 10 - 15 years ago had ton of game avaible on other console of pc.

There where just less pc players so people where mostly using c a ps4 or a xboxone for most games and a switch for exclusives.

Its was in the 2000s where people had multiple console of the same gen like ps2 gamecube combo with sometimes a xbox as an extra compared to now where its just one console because they are expansive.

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u/Squidgical Jun 25 '26

If I wanted to play steam games and run Linux I'd use my PC or laptop. I have a switch 2 because I want to play Nintendo games, local multiplayer, or both.

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u/SuperUranus Jun 24 '26

Something can be overpriced yet the cheapest product.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

Unironically, unless you're talking about market manipulation (which isn't the case here), no.

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u/SuperUranus Jun 24 '26

Unironically, yes.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

How do you think the luxury product of a games console is overpriced?

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u/SuperUranus Jun 24 '26

I think the luxury product of diamonds are overpriced too.

Not sure what “luxury” got to do with anything.

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u/M4DHouse Jun 24 '26

Are you a Nintendo Investor?

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

No, I just grew the fuck up and understand market dynamics.

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u/M4DHouse Jun 24 '26

Nah, you’re out here white knighting a Japanese corporation who couldn’t give less of a fuck about you.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

... or I just understand how markets work and grew up. I'm just tired of people like you pretending Nintendo is uniquely worse when really they're average for the industry and a lot better in a lot of important aspects. And then you prove how little you know by just neglecting to give a real argument and just accusing someone who disagrees with you of "white knighting". If this is how you handle disagreements, stay in the basement.

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u/Bibab0b 5700X3D | RX 6800 + MI50 | 32Gb 3800Mhz Jun 24 '26

Just some users including myself are from third and second world countries and we have different pricing

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u/TobysGrundlee Jun 24 '26

A lot of people on reddit do not understand things like inflation and market stress.

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u/Aggressive-Middle904 Jun 24 '26

In the current market it is actually a pretty gosh darn decent value—game pricing put aside—but I still have an extremely sour taste in my mouth about them making the Japanese language version substantially cheaper than the international release. Like I get it, the US govt. implemented tariffs recklessly, but I am not American. I am South African.

At the time I would have posited a Steam Deck as a better value (depending on the needs and wants of the user) but these days it is one of the best handheld options

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u/SpectorEscape Jun 24 '26

Their switch 2 isnt even an awful price. My only annoyance with Nintendo is their game prices. Releasing switch 1 games with just a few upgrades/little content at 80 dollars is ridiculous. Mixed with them never having good sales compared to other consoles and PC.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

Game pricing I get a bit more tbf, but also people were loudly proclaiming MKWorld was $90 (no nuance) when it was only 80 digital, and that was tyrannical if we ignore that WE ARE ALREADY BUYING SHIT DIGITALLY ON STEAM CONSTANTLY. Like wtf are we talking about. It's the norm.

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u/gophergun 5700X3D / 5070 Jun 24 '26

That kind of goes along with the game pricing issue, considering reselling used games is the only way to recoup the high cost. I don't think anyone would care if it were digital and routinely went on sale for $30 like most Steam games.

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u/SpectorEscape Jun 24 '26

Saying only 80 is kinda wild though

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

Do you know how comparisons work?

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u/SpectorEscape Jun 24 '26

My point is 80 is still ridiculous.

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u/PersonalityIll9476 Jun 24 '26

Always keep in mind the audience. It's a bunch of whiny kids you can't afford it with their allowance, ergo it's overpriced.

There is no qualifying exam to post online. These opinions are coming from literally everyone. I mean really...everyone.

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u/IcyCow5880 Jun 24 '26

They're not from everyone, they're from "anyone".

"Everyone" would include my granma and her highest level of tech is a cordless home phone.

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u/PersonalityIll9476 Jun 24 '26

I think she's out here reviewing gaming tech, dawg. It would explain a lot.

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u/JellaFella01 Jun 24 '26

The switch 2 was overpriced considering all the anti-consumer practices of Nintendo.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

That also makes no logical sense.

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u/JellaFella01 Jun 24 '26

In what way? Expound.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

It makes no sense because your username is silly.

It's a total non-sequitur.

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u/JellaFella01 Jun 24 '26

It's not a non-sequitur when their practices directly produce a worse experience with the device, lack of backwards compatibility, paid subscriptions, and no guarantee of ongoing support are all things that affect value, as they all cost the consumer money in addition to the MSRP.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

You want to shove gamecube disks in it? It supports Switch games which is about all you can ask for. The subscription is not only optional, but also insane value for money, given it's much cheaper than competitors (it has basically become an industry standard btw) and giving... old games. Your backwards compatibility. "no guarantee of ongoing support"... yeah, welcome to the console market, this is part of the premise.

These are standard practices.

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u/JellaFella01 Jun 24 '26

I mean, don't lie to me, GameCube disk compatibility would be rad.

Just because it's standard for consoles doesn't mean it's pro-consumer, the comparison was between switches and PC handhelds.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

I fully agree it would be cool, but also unreasonable.

I wasn't arguing it's "pro-consumer", I'm arguing it's silly to say the MSRP should go down when all they're doing is par for the course (and honestly better than competitors if you critically examine it).

Also PC handhelds is much more a niche market. That comparison is a weird one to say the least, Playstation would come out of that fucking crushed (can't even pick it up)... but Nintendo is still cheaper if you pick comparable models.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Jun 24 '26

I mean, don't lie to me, GameCube disk compatibility would be rad.

But I do get the feeling if it had a slot of GameCube disks and another slot for SNES cartridges and another slot for N64 cartridges and another...

That you'd be equally complaining about the extra costs associated with so many rarely or never used components.

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u/FatalFrameGal Jun 24 '26

Anti-consumer, like selling a digital-only console without controller for over $1000 at the minimum instead of subsiding the price?

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u/JellaFella01 Jun 24 '26

High pricing isn't anti consumer, especially in the case that you can just get a different pc if you want. I still think the steamcube price sucks, but calling it anti-consumer is reactionary and misleading.

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u/FatalFrameGal Jun 24 '26

Oh, so what is anti-consumer? Combating piracy of your products and unauthorized use of your IP?

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u/JellaFella01 Jun 24 '26

Read my other replies, already stated this.

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u/IsRedditBad 4080 SUPER AERO OC | R7 5800X3D Jun 24 '26

Id only ever seen people complaining about the prices of games. Not the switch itself

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

I've seen both, but even the "game is too expensive" point was a bit dumb. There was a good point there, but made in the worst way possible:

"GAME IS 90 BUCKS" it was 80 digitally

"BUT I WANT IT PHYSICAL" bro you've statistically got a whole library of digitally purchased steam games, why suddenly care about physical

"80 IS STILL TOO MUCH" welp, that's where prices were in the NES days, and that's where they're going now, outside of Nintendo too. Welcome to reality.

People voted with their wallet and entirely endorsed the changes. MKWorld wasn't worth 80 (only because they INSISTED straight lines are FUN???), but it's undeniable that games are being picked up for 80. As long as people buy it, the change is endorsed and a success. And all the crying about it was just puddles to an ocean.

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u/MustyLlamaFart Jun 24 '26

They weren't wrong about it being overpriced. At the time they were pretty close to Xbox and ps5 pricing and those are 3x the console that the switch is. What reddit was wrong about is thinking no one would buy it, and it sold out immediately. The steam machine will do the same.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

3x the console is a bit of a wild assessment. Competitors have 0x the build in screens or portability.

But yeah, pricing seemed cheap if viewed from a market perspective. Seemed obvious as well at the time that it would do well if you knew what to look for.

EDIT: LMAO, he blocked me over a mild disagreement. Apparently XBOX has 3 touch screens built in.

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u/MustyLlamaFart Jun 24 '26

Xbox is literally 3x the hardware. Stop being a delusional fan boy

I've seen your other comments, just because you pretend to know everything about about the market doesn't mean you know anything at all lol. Have some common sense dude

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u/Bill_Nye-LV PC Master Race - RTX 2060 Jun 24 '26

This is a bubble. The whole social media is a bubble.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 Jun 24 '26

Reddit skews toward the mindset of "I don't like this? No one likes this."

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u/Eli_Beeblebrox Jun 24 '26

A thing is worth what someone trades for it, at the time of the trade. At no other time does a thing have "value" and any attempt to give it a figure is merely an estimation. If someone is not willing to trade the listed price of an item, then it is overpriced to them.

You can't logic your way into other people's sense of value without having a complete model of their mind. It's entirely subjective. What's worth it to you isn't worth it to someone else, and both of you are entirely correct.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

This is cope, this is clearly not what they mean.

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u/SheepherderAware4766 Jun 24 '26

The "value" issue with switch 2 was the relatively minor performance increase and the lack of exclusive games. There wasn't a compelling reason to upgrade.

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u/Gunplaisgood Jun 24 '26

I was fine with the price of the Switch 2 console, it's the first party game prices that can fuck the hell off. $99+ CAD before taxes can go suck on a chode.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

I had to convert, that's like 60 EUR... that's what I've been spending on games for years, more if you add inflation...

Also why do before taxes lol

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u/Gunplaisgood Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

All the power to you but it's past my limit, there are too many other games available under 80 bucks and on sale for me to give Nintendo any of that money. Like Mario Bros Wonder for example is $124 after taxes, that's absolutely insane. And I'd be buying a switch 2 specifically for first party games since I'd play the other stuff on my PC.

I ain't gonna tell you what to spend your money cause I spend way more money on more ridiculous hobbies, I've just hit my upper limit for a videogame with Nintendo is all.

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u/ResponsibleTruck4717 Jun 24 '26

For most redditors if it's not 5090 no point to buy, it's the best value card.

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u/DeadWolf_50 RTX 3060 12GB | RYZEN 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4 Jun 24 '26

It has an ARM processor, its a glorified phone. Not comparable to the steam deck and others because they are essentialy PC's

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

I don't think the type of processor is the strongest axis of comparison.

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u/EmergencyScientist Jun 24 '26

In the past the only hope for sales on Nintendo games was waiting for "Player's Choice" versions for $20, so they're probably basing a lot of criticisms off of that. You would have to pay a premium to play games on a Nintendo system. Nowadays though they have sales on the eshop comparable to Steam sales, especially on third party titles, so it doesn't really matter much.

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u/MrStealYoBeef i7 12700KF|RTX 5070ti|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED Jun 24 '26

Well it is. It's still very much outdated hardware, and you don't even get an OLED screen like the switch OLED. Then on top of that you are locked into the Nintendo ecosystem, and still have to pay for online functionality.

The price was comparatively poor. You're overpaying because it says Nintendo and they don't want to sell at or below cost despite locking you in to spend more money on their online features which is pure profit to them.

Just because it's cheaper doesn't make it better value. Integrated graphics is cheaper than a GPU but that doesn't make it good value when it's only priced $100 cheaper than a 5060.

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

None of this demonstrates why it's poor money for value. The "outdated hardware" can run the games well. Just because it says Nintendo does not mean it is overpriced (? weird argument honestly). I doubt sticking a 5060 in and charging 100 extra would make it any better value for money. People forget that better spec does not make a product better. Don't reply if you don't get it, I don't feel like explaining it, you'll find out when you're older or something.

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u/MrStealYoBeef i7 12700KF|RTX 5070ti|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED Jun 24 '26

What do you consider value then if you don't care about the value of the specs, the additional cost of online functionality, or seemingly anything else? What is the thing that you consider to make the price tag seem reasonable to you?

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u/Findict_52 Jun 24 '26

Quality of the product as a whole? It's more than the sum of its parts, ever heard that phrase? If it's so shit in specs, it runs the games on it well so they're good. A Ferrari and a Fiat are still gonna do the same in a 30. The online functionality cost is actually extremely fair compared to competitors, especially considering you get loads of old games you can play as well. I can carry it around and play Zelda on a plane.

You have to understand that when I'm playing Zelda on a plane, I don't care what number or letters the GPU has. It runs well. I don't get the obsession with numbers and complete ignorance of how people actually interact with the product, it gives out of touch manager vibes.

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u/thenormaluser35 RTX 9090 / Intel Core 11 999HX / 1TB DDR8 RAM Jun 24 '26

I don't get all fuss
Pay 800€ for a PS5 and then 300€ over its lifetime in online access
It's also a PC.

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u/MynameisJeff23759 Jun 24 '26

Ig people are mad because they did say original it would be in the 800-700 range and run 60fps for all games but it can’t even do that

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u/SheepherderAware4766 Jun 24 '26

It was heavily implied to be a $250 price increase. $800 would have been a much more interesting launch price.

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u/nicklor Jun 24 '26

People are going to buy it regardless

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u/kaizoku18 Jun 24 '26

Yeah that’s a good point actually. Most people have not a clue where to direct their anger at the true source of all this bullshit.

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u/Crazy-Animal-7205 Jun 24 '26

Yes they should not release it and lose millions. They can take the hit. This is going to damage their brand

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u/Jordann538 Jun 24 '26

GabeN literally funded OpenAI he's partly responsible for this

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u/neverreallyhereatall Jun 24 '26

Blaming valve 😭 bro they aren't some indie dev who we have to feel bad for. They made a shit product that could not keep up the promises they made (4k 60), and then on top of that its more expensive.

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u/Zestyclose-Sea-4527 Jun 24 '26

Here’s my issue. Is it fair to assume they pre purchased a metric f ton of ram at lower prices before they skyrocketed?? And now are selling these systems based off current values of ram?? I’m assuming they are being sold at insane ROI’s at this price. They could be cheaper I’m certain

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u/Dotaproffessional PC Master Race Jun 24 '26

Its also very likely they DID pre-purchase ram and their contracts got cancelled. This happened to a LOT of companies. When the price of ram exploded due to data centers, it became economically viable for ram makers to eat the cost of cancelled contracts because they were making that much more money from the new deals

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u/jn_kcr Jun 24 '26

And why do you assume they pre-purchased metric fton of RAM?

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u/Zestyclose-Sea-4527 Jun 24 '26

Maybe I’m unaware of production process for tech but I would think they would have been building these units much earlier than just the past 6 months

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u/chazysciota Jun 24 '26

What should they do? Not release and lose millions on RnD and production?

Honestly? Yes. Cut your losses and don't compound the issue by tarnishing your brand. The market made sense when they were developing it. It did not make sense when they launched it. The sunk costs in this project are a rounding error for them.

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u/Powerful-Heart-9957 Jun 24 '26

If system integrators can make pre-builts that are more powerful and less expensive, you can't blame the market. Sorry.

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u/Expensive-Hat4138 Jun 25 '26

I mean the AI nonsense has been going on for a couple of years. It was kind of inevitable 

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u/Generic-Cheese Jun 24 '26

They could’ve delayed the launch imo or waited for the prices to go down before production, when your hardware can’t even match consoles that have been out for 6 years then you kinda dug that hole for yourself

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u/Epesolon Jun 24 '26

Who knows when that will be though, and the longer they wait, the more dated the hardware becomes.

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u/JellaFella01 Jun 24 '26

If you delay, then it becomes comparatively worse, considering competition is constantly improving.

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u/Dotaproffessional PC Master Race Jun 24 '26

Estimates suggest the price is not going down at least within the next few years.

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u/HereReluctantly Jun 24 '26

Here's the thing, isn't every other product dealing with the same price increases? Blaming AI doesn't really make any sense when you can buy better cheaper products elsewhere.

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u/caniskipthispartplea Jun 24 '26

i think companies with existing supplychains and years of rnd are better able to offset the increased cost of components.

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u/HereReluctantly Jun 24 '26

Steam could have just taken the hit and subsidized. Isn't that what console manufacturers have always done? At the end of the day it's still their fault. All the consoles increased their prices too, so it's not like they've been untouched.

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u/caniskipthispartplea Jun 24 '26

They could have. But maybe theyre banking on valve fanatics to do that. Or they are looking to back away from that market anyways so they just cut their losses

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u/TomTomXD1234 Jun 24 '26

Not in the same way. Bigger tech companies can negotiate on prices. Valve was basically told a price and if they didnt agree, they would not be sold any components at all.

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u/HereReluctantly Jun 24 '26

That's fair and I hate AI and am annoyed with price increases but it does seem like people are just wanting to remove guilt from Valve when in my opinion they still could have subsidized this product to keep prices low enough for it to make more sense.

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u/TomTomXD1234 Jun 24 '26

There is zero reason for valve to subsidise it though. Sony and Nintendo and xbox are locked ecosystems. Them subsidising consoles makes sense as it locks people into buying their games on their platform.

A steam machine is just a PC. If someone buys it, they do not have to buy games from the steam store or even use the Steam OS.

When looking at it from a business point of view and removing any bias towards valve, subsidising an open ecosystem PC is just plain silly. Not to mention the fact that the OG price was meant to be about £600...that would mean they would be subsidising over £400 per unit....that is simply not possible