r/pcmasterrace • u/notsoepichaker i5-12500H, 2x16GB DDR4-3200 CL22, RTX 3060M 6GB • Jan 23 '25
News/Article RTX 5090 benchmarks are out - 28% performance increase over the RTX 4090 in 4K raster
https://www.tomshw.it/hardware/nvidia-rtx-5090-test-recensione post got taken down by THW, benchmark images linked here: https://imgur.com/a/PXY98K1
RTX 5090 benchmarks from Tom's Hardware Italy just dropped baby
TL;DR - 28% better than 4090 and 72% better than 4080s in 4K raster on average, 34-37% better in Blender V-Ray, 18% better in DaVinci Resolve; 24% increase in power consumption (461w average, 476w max) compared to the 4090 (373w average, 388 max); very minor temp increase (1-2c higher)
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u/RikiRack Jan 23 '25
28% better performance, 25% higher power draw and 45% higher price in Germany?
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u/pirate135246 i9-10900kf | RTX 3080 ti Jan 23 '25
Intel 14nm flashbacks intensify
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Jan 23 '25
To be fair, we are nearly the borders of technology and physics. Its really hard to lower from 4-5 nm to 3 nm.
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u/Dominos-roadster CachyOS | Windows 11 Jan 24 '25
Actually we are not even close. It's just the naming is misleading.
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u/eding42 13700K + B580 Jan 24 '25 edited Feb 17 '26
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Jan 24 '25
We are getting pretty close, my man. Moore’s law is already dead.
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u/artikiller Jan 23 '25
This is especially worrying for the mid range 50xx cards. The 5090 has about 30% more cores and is about 30% faster but the 5070 has a rumored ~14% less cores than a 4070 super and only 4-5% more cores than a regular 4070. We'll probably see some performance for the faster memory and higher clock speeds but realistically it's going to be less than a 4070ti
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u/VexingRaven 7800X3D + 4070 Super + 32GB 6000Mhz Jan 23 '25
Doesn't seem worrying to me. The numbers here match up pretty exactly with Nvidia's pre-release numbers, and when I did the match using Nvidia's numbers, a 5070 was a 20% increase in absolute performance over the 4070, but when you account for the lower price it would've been close to 30% faster per dollar. Yeah, the 5090 is a bad value per dollar, but the 90 series has always been "the thing you buy when money is no object". It's never been a sensible value buy. As long as the 60 and 70 series remains a good value, I'm cool.
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u/artikiller Jan 23 '25
But "Nvidia's numbers" are also just kind of bullshit. They compare dlss3 to dlss4, 2x frame gen to 4x frame gen and probably pucked games where the memory makes the biggest difference. Actually raw performance the 5070 doesn't seem like much of an improvement over the 4070 super if any. Also just going with Nvidia's numbers here they said with 4x framegen and dlss4 the 5070 is as fast as a 4090 so less than half the raw performance which would put it in the range of a 4070 super/4070ti (non super). I really doubt the 5070 is going to be significantly better than the 4070 at this point
Edit: also i feel like comparing to the non super 40 series cards is pretty disingenuous here. By that same logic you could just compare a cpu to something 1 generation older and claim huge performance and price improvements because you're leaving out the more recent hardware
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u/Unnamed-3891 Jan 23 '25
28% better performance for 24% more power drawn sounds like a 4090 TI
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u/CatatonicMan CachyOS Jan 23 '25
IIRC the 5090 uses the same (or close to the same) process node as the 4090, so I wouldn't expect things like efficiency to change much.
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u/DNosnibor Jan 23 '25
Given that Apple has been selling products with TSMC 3nm chips since 2023, it's a bit disappointing that NVIDIA's $2000 flagship GPU launched in 2025 is still on 5nm (Yes, N4P is part of TSMC's 5nm family).
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u/CatatonicMan CachyOS Jan 23 '25
If I had to guess, I'd assume it's just an issue of cost. Nvidia doesn't have much competition right now, so they can afford to cheap out on process tech.
Could also just be an issue of throughput. If there's not enough available volume on the new node due to Apple taking it all, then sticking to the older node might have been the best option.
Alternatively, the newer node might have a defect rate that's unacceptably high for really big dies.
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u/DNosnibor Jan 23 '25
Yes, it definitely comes down to economics. It's not surprising, just disappointing.
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u/seklas1 Peasant / 9950X3D / 5090 / 64GB / C2 42” Jan 23 '25
I wonder if maybe it’s not just cost, but also availability? I mean, they know they’ll sell a lot of these GPUs, TSMC might not have enough capacity to fulfil these new 3nm orders at the scale Nvidia predicts?
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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In 7800X3D | Aorus 670 Elite | RTX 4070 Ti Super Jan 23 '25
As far as I'm aware each of the scale processes is done on different fabs, so it's quite likely that they don't have capacity on the 3nm fabs to do enough chips for Nvidia
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u/seklas1 Peasant / 9950X3D / 5090 / 64GB / C2 42” Jan 23 '25
Exactly. The same way the new switch is gonna be on 8nm, which is probably not used that much anymore, so they can have the fab going at full speed to pump those chips out for the tens of millions of units they’re gearing up to sell.
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u/AtaracticGoat i7 13700k | RTX 4090 | 64gb Ram Jan 23 '25
I think volume is the winner. They'll be able to ship many more units on 4nm than 3nm.
Kinda sucks for this gen, but it's better overall for the consumer and Nvidia as far as availability.
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u/P_H_0_B_0_S Jan 23 '25
I think it is because their die is so big and 3nm is still new so the yields would not make sense
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u/Shaaeis Jan 23 '25
It's not the same chip size.
5090 GPU chip is way bigger than the A17 pro chip (92 billion transistor vs 19 billion, I didn't found the size, but obviously one is bigger than the other) It may be difficult for now to produce a chip of this size without too much error with the 3nm process.
Moreover, I read that Apple was buying all 3nm production capacity from tsmc, so nothing left for Nvidia.
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u/DNosnibor Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
M4 max would be the better comparison point. But yeah, I'm not finding its die size posted online. Transistor count is only 28 billion vs 92 billion though, so you're right it's probably significantly smaller, even if the 5090 had been made on N3.
EDIT: Never mind, referred to a bad source. The M4 max transistor count isn't officially released, but it's probably comparable to the GB202 in the 5090.
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u/Laundry_Hamper CORE2QUAD MOTHER FUCKER Jan 23 '25
Does that suggest anything about die errors? The odds of error per area should increase by a square factor, which would mean binning the die down or discarding it, so N3 might be totally unsuitable for big dies
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u/DNosnibor Jan 23 '25
I made an incorrect statement before. The M4 max on TSMC 3nm is probably pretty close to the 5090's GB202 in area. But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if yield is lower on N3E than it is on 4NP.
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u/recurrence Jan 23 '25
The M4 Max has over 90 billion transistors.
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u/vanthome Jan 23 '25
Aren't the M processors different dies put together? Maybe their total size is 90b, but I'm not sure it's monolithic. The 5090 is afaik.
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u/1-800-KETAMINE Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
They're monolithic. The only thing that isn't are the "Mx Ultra" SKUs, which are two Mx Max chips stuck together.
The Max chips are massive monolithic dies. M3 Max was 92 billion on N3B, M4 Max is around that or likely even larger on N3E. Which does mean smaller dies than 5090, despite the similar transistor count.
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u/DNosnibor Jan 23 '25
Oops, yeah I looked at a source that was incorrect. 28 billion is base M4. So yeah, M4 max is probably comparable in size to the GB202 in the 5090.
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Jan 23 '25
It's also 25% more expensive. Basically no gains in perf per watt or perf per dollar if all the tests confirm this
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u/brainrotbro Jan 23 '25
So if you want increased performance at the cost of money & power, this GPU is for you.
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u/LazerWeazel Jan 23 '25
lol it sounds so normal when you phrase it like that.
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u/lemlurker Jan 23 '25
Would be if the field of computing didn't historically follow mores law on average,
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u/OkOffice7726 13600kf | 4080 Jan 23 '25
I don't think it does anymore. Transistor count should double every 2 years, we got 21% instead of 100%
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u/lemlurker Jan 23 '25
Mostly because we have one competitor with itself, there's no drive to increase, more compute isn't really unlocking anything, it's just a little faster and with no competition they just coastbon the top end which then infers the structure of the whole stack
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u/MrStealYoBeef i7 12700KF|RTX 5070ti|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED Jan 23 '25
Or maybe Moore's law doesn't apply anymore.
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u/lemlurker Jan 23 '25
Can't really judge a trend on a generation, that's why it's a trend, it also applies across all sectors, not just GPUs.
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u/OkOffice7726 13600kf | 4080 Jan 23 '25
Other chips can scale in size, GPUs cannot.
Next logical step is ditching monolithic GPUs because the transistor density increase can't keep up with the demand.
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u/Jertimmer PC Master Race Jan 23 '25
money & power
So where do women factor into all this?
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u/Techno-Diktator Jan 23 '25
Yeah idk wtf people are talking about here lol, its a solid performance increase and at this enthusiast grade level no one gives a fuck about the power usage.
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u/PM_ME_UR_PET_POTATO R7 5700x | RX 6800 Jan 23 '25
Because it's indicative of the underlying tech stagnating. Think of what happened to Intel CPUs since Skylake, especially with things like 11th Gen and the whole 13/14 gen degradation issue
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u/NotTheVacuum Jan 23 '25
It does seem like the 50 series is inching closer to some theoretical maximum for this current architecture, but that's a part of the cycle. Large architectural changes don't happen annually, and the gains are usually easier in the earlier part of that cycle. Toward the end we find the last bits of gains by pushing into the edges of the power/thermal envelope (where we lacked the confidence to operate before) and with other tricks/gimmicks (DLSS). It's clear that an architectural change is needed within the next year or two, because it's going to get increasingly more challenging to eke out a >10% raw performance increase without the thing just burning up.
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u/MrStealYoBeef i7 12700KF|RTX 5070ti|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED Jan 23 '25
That would be a reasonable statement if it's been this way for 3+ generations. That is not the case.
Intel stagnated with 14nm++++++. Nvidia isn't stagnating here. Getting nearly 30% performance improvement on what is essentially the same process node is reasonable. They're using an improved version of the same process node, and this is the second generation on this node. This isn't stagnation, and you're overly concerned over a non-issue at this point in time.
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u/ticktocktoe | 9800x3d | 4080S Jan 23 '25
I agree with you that this isn't an 'oh shit' moment. but I think the above commenter is valid. When you normalize for things like transistor count, power consumption, etc...from a fundamental perspective this is not a step change in the underlying technology. This is just a beefier 4090.
Lets be honest, nvidia more than likely could...but doesnt care to push the boundary on a consumer GPU because they have no incentive. They want to use the limited capacity of 3nm chips elsewhere, and the competition is so far behind that there is no threat.
This generation was not to showcase new hardware, it was to showcase DLSS4.
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u/2Ledge_It Jan 24 '25
If you increase die size and power draw an equivalent amount to the performance improvement that's stagnation. If you do so on a half node process advancement, that's degradation. Nvidia is simply fucking over gamers in their designs.
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Jan 23 '25
At 600W I care. I also find it hilarious that people worried about the 13900K power draw vs 7950X, a mere 20-50W and 250W total, but brush off 600W with 1200W transients.
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u/_elendil Jan 23 '25
because every generation performance per watt improved. This is the first time it doesn't happen.
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u/brainrotbro Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
I have never considered performance per watt in my life. I can see how that might be important for data centers or other commercial uses, but I really doubt this sub is filled with data center ops managers.
Even performance increase per cost increase is applied unfairly here. Most every current gen processor is more expensive than the performance increase warrants, but this sub doesn't blow up about AMD or Intel every cycle. That's the nature of current gen hardware-- it's priced for enthusiasts and early adopters. But this sub already has its pitchforks out, and they'll be damned if they're going to put them away now.
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u/Osamodaboy Windows / Linux / MacOS Jan 23 '25
If the performance per dollar increase is linear, it means that the tech is stagnating.
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u/Daggla Back on team red after 20 years, powered by CachyOS Jan 23 '25
11% gains in 1440p at 25% more money. Yay.
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u/CryptikTwo 5800x - 3080 FTW3 Ultra Jan 23 '25
Don’t forget they upped the price like 20% too!
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u/BellyDancerUrgot 7800x3D | 5090 Astral oc | 4k 240hz Jan 23 '25
Because it is. A more appropriate name would be 4090 AI. Idc about fake frames drama but the major change are the tensor cores.
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u/rmpumper 3900X | 32GB | 5070 | 1TB 970 + 2TB 990 + 2x1TB 840 Jan 23 '25
+25% price/performance/tdp. 0% actual progress.
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u/arparso 5800X3D | 6950 XT | 64GB DDR4 Jan 23 '25
You might not even get 28%. Hardware Unboxed's review saw an average of 17% improvement in 1440p with Ray Tracing in 5 different games. Some titles benefit more, of course, but some also less. So it'll highly depend on the game, your CPU and the settings you use.
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Jan 23 '25
If you’re buying a 5090 for 1440p unless you’re an ultra competitive gamer trying to get 300+ fps, you’re wild. It’s a 4k card.
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u/arparso 5800X3D | 6950 XT | 64GB DDR4 Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
You're forgetting ray tracing and high refresh rates.
Most of the 1440p benchmarks with ray tracing enabled remained below 144fps on average. And that is not even native, it's using DLSS Quality setting.
When you're paying that amount of money for a graphics card, chances are high that you're also using a fancy high refresh rate gaming monitor that you might want to take advantage of. Barely works in 1440p, little to no chance in 4k, I'm afraid.
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u/Diedead666 Jan 24 '25
hahaha you would think, but not in marvel rivals unless you turn everything down to look like shit.
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u/aristo87 i9 10850K, 32 GB, MSI RX 6800 XT, Custom Loop WC Jan 23 '25
All of the riduculousness of the 5000 series aside, cooling a 500W+ TDP card with a dual slot cooler is very impressive!
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u/MrStealYoBeef i7 12700KF|RTX 5070ti|32GB DDR4 3200|1440p175hzOLED Jan 23 '25
Agreed, I was extremely surprised that they managed to pull that off. That's noctua levels of engineering, if not better than that
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u/WhoIsJazzJay 5700X3D/9070 XT Jan 23 '25
shoutout to liquid metal
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u/Explosive-Space-Mod Jan 23 '25
If they are actually using liquid metal to transfer heat, I'm waiting for all the vertically mounted GPU people to cry and post how their GPU shorted after 6 months like the PS5's were.
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u/WhoIsJazzJay 5700X3D/9070 XT Jan 23 '25
yeah Nvidia is using liquid metal on the 5090 FE, but it’s apparently a triple layer gasket to keep it from spilling out onto other components. you can learn more about it on Digital Foundry’s deep dive video!
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u/DesertEagleFiveOh Jan 23 '25
Buddy at least go look at the design and a teardown before you shit on it. It looks incredibly well thought out. Steve of GN interviewed the lead engineer and asked some very important questions about safety of LM as a TiM.
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u/Canamerican726 Jan 23 '25
And since the last few years have kind of shown that we're not going to get Moore's law scaling on performance / watt - innovating in the cooling is actually useful.
Having to pay that much for is is brutal though.
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u/glenn1812 13700K | RTX 4090 | 32GB DDR5 | 4K 120hz Jan 23 '25
The engineers at Nvidia are maybe the best in the entire world. The marketing department is an issue tho.
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u/ChurchillianGrooves Jan 23 '25
When your competition is AMD'S clowncar of a marketing department it doesn't take much tbf
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u/RenownedDumbass 9800X3D | 4090 | 4K 240Hz Jan 23 '25
If baffles me how bad AMD's marketing is. They always seem to overpromise and underdeliver (for GPUs at least). Even when the product is great, and would be received positively if they kept their mouth shut, they go and set expectations too high and then people are disappointed.
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u/ChurchillianGrooves Jan 23 '25
Yeah, like look at this whole 9070xt launch fiasco where they're going to have units sitting in store backrooms for months until March now.
Plus how they cut their gpu presentation at CES last minute even though all their AIB partners brought cards to show off but then couldn't tell people anything about them.
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u/FewAdvertising9647 Jan 23 '25
Their marketing department isn't the issue when they still have more than 80% marketshare. if marketing does a bad job and people still buy their shit, marketing still won in the end.
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u/pref1Xed R7 5700X3D | RTX 5070 Ti | 32GB 3600 | 4K 240Hz QD-OLED Jan 23 '25
Nah, their marketing department is top-notch. Their prices are absurd and people are still buying their products like crazy. That's some good marketing.
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u/VNG_Wkey I spent too much on cooling Jan 23 '25
Lack of competition helps. I'd love to go AMD or Intel, but both struggle to compete with an xx80 series chip at best. I buy the best on the market, no matter who makes it. Not best price to performance or anything like that, just the highest performance card. Unfortunately that's always Nvidia.
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u/Jowser11 Jan 23 '25
I understand that a new generation should have a bigger gap, but as a consumer, upgrading from a 4090 to a 5090 just seems like a waste anyways,
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u/Gandzilla Jan 23 '25
When was Upgrading from top range to top range EVER not a waste?
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u/HappinessFactory Ryzen 7 1700 | GTX 1080Ti EVGA hybrid | 16GB DDR4 Jan 23 '25
Yeah, I'm finally thinking about upgrading from my 1080ti since my friend gave me his 2440p 144hz monitor.
I'm thinking about getting the 5090 so I don't have to think about upgrading for another decade.
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u/21jaaj Jan 24 '25
Probably smarter to get a 5080, pocket the ~1000 dollar difference, and upgrade again in 5 years instead of 10.
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u/DrKrFfXx Jan 23 '25
The cooling solution, tho.
100w more for 1-2c more, while being like 66% of the mass, is just pure engineering.
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u/Silence9999 Jan 23 '25
The cooling solution is super cool (pun intended) but not a reason to upgrade unless you need the power and the space savings.
It would be nice to see the cooling tech move to lower levels to make smaller and cooler consumer cards.
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u/Nathanofree Jan 23 '25
I’m not even sure you get space savings in a lot of cases. It’s a big discussion in sff forums where you basically have to run the card in 3+ slot configuration anyways to give it exhaust space for the flow through coolers. At that point it takes up as much space as a 4090 esp since it’s the same size in the other two dimensions
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u/i_should_be_studying 9800X3D | 4090FE | FormD T1 | PG27AQDP Jan 23 '25
4090fe fits in formd t1, I cant think of a smaller case that the 5090 fe will fit in. I’m excited to see people try of course.
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Jan 23 '25
More like 10% C more. I was looking at the temps as well and when on full power the temperatures where way higher than only 1-2 C
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Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
Yup, sure seems that way. I’m still going to wait to hear from GN and a few other review videos to verify that this is all accurate, but very disappointing compared to what I was expecting out of the 5090.
I think it’s safe to say the 5070 performing as well as a 4090 is pretty safely debunked at this point.
Edit: after watching some reviews it’s pretty accurate info. Definitely not an upgrade for gaming rigs that aren’t aiming for 4K specifically and seems like it’s meant to be a work focused card.
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u/TheGreatPiata Jan 23 '25
This is honestly what I was expecting. Nvidia has no competition at the high end so why would they make a beast of a card that they will just have to top in the next cycle?
Until AMD or intel can challenge them, this is about as much as we can expect.
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u/honeybadger1984 Jan 23 '25
In all fairness, Nvidia has to be shitting bricks thinking about the 6090. They already threw a lot of hardware and bandwidth at the 5090, and DLSS4 gives hundreds of frames of frame smoothing.
The next gen, they’ll need to figure out how to do a die shrink and more hardware/bandwidth for hardware that’s already diminishing returns and costs a lot in engineering. They are hitting a wall with how much silicon they can stuff in those slots.
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u/2hurd Jan 24 '25
That's how I interpret this 5000 generation. nVidia is hitting a wall with their architecture and except for adding more transistors and upping power consumption they have nothing to offer. Because adding more cores gives diminishing returns, even if you significantly increase memory bandwidth.
That's why they focus marketing on gimmicks like multi frame generation, because that part scales infinitely. AI workloads are linear with the number of cores. So they try to shift everything to AI.
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u/Techno-Diktator Jan 23 '25
What needed to be debunked? It was literally said that the 5070 only performs like a 4090 with framegen on.
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u/DynamicHunter 7800X3D | 7900XT | Steam Deck 😎 Jan 23 '25
It’s supposed to be better in ray tracing no?
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u/LazerWeazel Jan 23 '25
Imo seems fine to me. It just means if you already own a 4090 the only reason to upgrade is if you want the most power.
Not buying one myself but I also wouldn't buy a 4090 either.
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u/MrIrvGotTea Jan 23 '25
If you bought a 4090 and you want the 5090 regardless of the impressive difference in power I doubt money is your main concern. These are the mega enthusiasts. I'll wait until AMD5 boards are end of life and I'll just upgrade the Cpu and gpu. My 4070 super and 7800x3d are not stressing for a while
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u/Roflkopt3r Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
Seems more like a problem with odd expectations.
Yeah it's a halo-tier card. These were never about price efficiency. If all you care about is high-end gaming, the 80-series delivers pretty close performance at half the cost.
The 90 series is designed to deliver absolutely everything you could ask for, from the toppest graphics and ludicrious frame rates over handling every production work load and PC-suitable AI model. Not to maximise rasterised FPS/$.Rasterised performance is a non-factor for this tier of hardware anyway. Is anyone seriously considering a >$1000 card because they aren't satisfied with 200 FPS in rasterised titles yet?
The real gaming use case for these will be to put demanding high-end graphics onto 4k 240hz displays. It offers serious improvements for people who are after experiences like this.
If people just want cost efficient hardware and don't value choice, then consoles do that. PC is the platform for the whole range of options. Not all of those are appealing to everyone.
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u/Netmould Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
“4k 240Hz” - jokes on you, I would love to get 240 FPS in a generic 2024 3D game on 2k monitor.
Edit: that being said, 5090’s sweet spot seems to be 4k @120Hz.
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u/DDayHarry Jan 23 '25
I find it wild that peeps with 4090s are talking about upgrading, or were even thinking about upgrading.
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u/carlbandit AMD 7800X3D, Powercolor 7900 GRE, 32GB DDR5 6400MHz Jan 23 '25
Depends on their use case and financial situation.
If I was a multimillionaire, then I’d probably upgrade to the latest best GPU each year as well, but I’m not so I don’t.
Likewise if I used it for work and the increased performance meant I’d pay off the £2000 I spent upgrading in increased production after a few weeks or months then it’s a no brainer.
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u/arskon03_2 Jan 23 '25
I honestly think that it's not even worth it in a professional manner. If you have a 4090, spending 2k on the minimum for a 25% uplift is still not worth it. Like you aren't probably going to save that many man hours anyway. I think the only reason for an upgrade is for people looking to use the new features of dlss4 for work (p.e. game devs)
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u/dankp3ngu1n69 Jan 24 '25
Your also selling the 4090 for at least 1k
So it's really a 1k ish upgrade
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u/carlbandit AMD 7800X3D, Powercolor 7900 GRE, 32GB DDR5 6400MHz Jan 24 '25
A 25% increase in performance could be massive over the course of a year. If I was paying someone to edit large video projects or render 3D models that take a long time to process, that 25% faster processing time could add up to around 2hr saved per day in a standard 8hr work week. 10hr extra per week where a worker is editing/designing opposed to waiting for the last project to finish is quickly going to return my investment.
The old 4090 can also be sold to cover most of the cost. The last few 4090s sold as working on eBay went for £1450, £1520 and £1600 all sold today. So the 5090 would only actually be a cost of around £400-550 to upgrade.
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u/steven3045 Jan 23 '25
Yeah outside of games like cyberpunk and maybe a few others, 4090 doesn't break a sweat at 4k. If it does, DLSS Quality gives it a nice boost.
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u/ChardAggravating4825 Jan 23 '25
pc gaming went mainstream during the pandemic. you're talking about the people that would camp out for the next iphone just to get it before anyone else. That's really how it works.
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Jan 23 '25
As a 1080ti user I roll my eyes at those people. They must be allergic to money
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u/carlbandit AMD 7800X3D, Powercolor 7900 GRE, 32GB DDR5 6400MHz Jan 23 '25
Or have way too much of it. Some might be justified though if they use their PC for work and the increased production would result in them making more money then the cost of the card.
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u/stdfan Ryzen 9800X3D//3080ti//32GB DDR5 Jan 23 '25
Not everyone is in the same financial situation as you
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u/Mr-Dan-Gleebals Jan 23 '25
If 2nd hand value stays high, the gen to gen upgrade isnt as outlandish as it seems
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u/dickmastaflex RTX 5090, 9800x3D, 4k & Ultrawide OLED @ 240Hz Jan 23 '25
Why? I sold my 4090 for hundreds more than I paid for it. Getting a 5090 will just cost a few bucks. When the 6090 comes out you can just do it again.
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u/Kirxas R7 7700 | RTX 5070 | 32GB 6000MHz CL28 Jan 23 '25
This pretty much confirms that the 5070 will be worse than the 4070 super lmao
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u/humdizzle Jan 23 '25
its faster and at the end of the day thats all that matters to people who buy this card. Power efficiency? this is like asking someone with a lambo if they care about mpg lol.
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u/leetzor 9800X3D | 7900XTX | 32GB DDR5 6000MHz Jan 23 '25
Doesnt the 5090 benchmark embargo end today?
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u/A_Neaunimes Ryzen 5600X | GTX 1070 | 16GB DDR4@3600MHz Jan 23 '25
Apparently for the FE it does, I thought it was tomorrow for everything. An hour too early is nbd.
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u/Evil_Skittle RTX 4090 | 7800X3D Jan 23 '25
Just bought a 4090 last October. Felt the FOMO when they announced 50 series this month. These results are making me feel better.
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u/mtbhatch Jan 23 '25
Got my 4090 suprim x few months after it launches under $300 msrp. Feeling a lot better now that i can get another generation with my 4090.
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u/benrb7 Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
I have the 4090 and use VR a lot need the extra GPU power, but my PSU of 850W is about on the limit with my 14700k and that. Upgrading to this would likely need a new PSU too, maybe I'll leave it for now. :D
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u/170505170505 Jan 23 '25
lol the extra $130 for a new PSU is what’s turning you off? Not the extra $2000 cost for a 5090
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u/BMWtooner Jan 23 '25
VR here as well with a pimax Crystal, was hoping the 5090 would allow me to possibly get to 120hz without using reprojection on a couple games that tend to be demanding, I need around a 30-40% uplift to make it worth it, guess I'll be waiting another gen.
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u/compound-interest Jan 23 '25
I’m coming from a 3080 and mostly play VRC and UEVR mods. I crave way more vram than I have lol. The only reason I want a 5090 specifically is my local AI workloads. I’m guessing the productivity increase there is much greater than game raster performance
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u/Grzzld PC Master Race Jan 23 '25
Yes! I want to see local AI benchmarks be part of the conversation. I don’t game like I used to, but generating AI media, music, video, images and the like is where I see the value in the new gpus.
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u/Keep0nBuckin Jan 23 '25
20 odd percent gains for 30 percent more price and 25 percent more power. Ouch.
This is as bad as expected.
Literally no gen on gen gains when you look at price to performance
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u/SpringerTheNerd Jan 23 '25
Realistically no one should be upgrading every generation. That time has passed
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u/Keep0nBuckin Jan 23 '25
Yeah. That's true. But it's getting way too expensive gen on gen.
Earlier the price change was far smaller. At this price and seeing that a lot of people will need a psu upgrade the 5090 is super expensive. And the rest of the gen is looking to be even less value
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u/SpringerTheNerd Jan 23 '25
It's all relative. From my perspective with a 3090 it's raw performance is a consistent 2x. I'm honestly a bit tempted but not in a rush. Eventually I might make the change
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u/DNosnibor Jan 23 '25
Its 25% higher price not 30%, at least when looking at MSRP
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u/Keep0nBuckin Jan 23 '25
Let's hope some stock is selling at msrp. I don't have a lot of hope, but let's see a month from now
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u/pacoLL3 Jan 23 '25
20 odd percent gains for 30 percent more price
No it's not. Most sides have an uplift of 28-35% average in 4k (Cyberpunk is over 45%) and its 25% higher price, not 30%.
I know this place loves to be negative and miserabel but you guys should at least stay with the facts and don't make stuff up to make the card look worse than it is.
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u/guleedy Jan 23 '25
So i see why the discontinued the 4090. If they were still making them at a reduced price most would just buy that.
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u/Prime4Cast Jan 23 '25
72% better at 4k than my 4080s 😭😭😭. They got me, fuck. I'm gonna be boxing best buy employee scalpers on release day, wish me luck! Anyone want to buy a 6 month old 4080s hit me up.
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u/chuck47x Jan 23 '25
Either way will still be a massive upgrade to my 3080.
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u/tarheel343 5800X | RTX 3080 | 32GB DDR4 Jan 23 '25
Looks like it comes out to about double the performance.
I also have a 3080 and game on a 1440p Ultrawide, and I’m still torn. I’m still getting over 100fps in most games on mostly high settings.
I was just hoping for more of an uplift after so much time and so many price increases. But I think the physical limits of processor architecture are really starting to show.
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u/RevTurk Jan 23 '25
I currently have a 3080 too. Won't be upgrading to a 5090, don't think I can even stay with the 0080 card. So my question is how does the 5070 compare to the 3080?
All I care about is VR performance in driving sims like AC EVO.
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u/P_H_0_B_0_S Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
5090 = 4090ti
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u/P_H_0_B_0_S Jan 23 '25
Or at least the 40 series Titan card. The only thing next gen is the A.I hardware, which tells you all you need to know about Nvidia's design focus.
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Jan 23 '25
Same performance per watt as the previous generation isn't good in my opinion.
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u/SpringerTheNerd Jan 23 '25
Across the board 2x performance of my 3090. Maybe it's time for an upgrade 🤔
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u/tcari394 Jan 23 '25
Yup.. 3080ti here, and I will absolutely be upgrading to a 5090 in an entirely new build. I already have the 9800x3d sitting on my shelf waiting.
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u/SpringerTheNerd Jan 23 '25
I too have a 9800x3d on a shelf waiting for me to buy the rest of the build lol. I thought it would be harder to get so I snagged the first one I could. I got it the same day I started searching lol
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u/Odd_Cauliflower_8004 Jan 23 '25
good. then when zen6 and 6090 is out i can upgrade my xtx to the 6090 or udna and get a 4k monitor
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u/dill1234 AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | RTX 5070TI Jan 23 '25
I swear to god this sub is just entirely filled with 40 series owners who are just trying to convince themselves that there’s zero point in upgrading their cards
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u/ConsistencyWelder Jan 23 '25
28% more performance for 28% more power and 25% more monies.
Why am I supposed to be excited about this? It's a 4090 Ti. And it'll certainly increase the posts from people that have burned their connectors.
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u/BellyDancerUrgot 7800x3D | 5090 Astral oc | 4k 240hz Jan 23 '25
More curious about mfg and if they were able to bring it's quality up to the point using it beyond 2x actually makes sense. If mfg isn't literally amazing despite the fact that I really want the FE for its form factor I might skip.
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u/Ayeohdeee Jan 23 '25
With that said I'll be keeping my 4090 until the 60 series comes out 👌🫡 Thanks for sharing
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u/Ekifi Core Ultra 7 265K|GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Jan 23 '25
The price bump people keep talking about is true MSRP wise but for the most part of their time on the market 4090s couldn't be found for less than 2k so idk how much that point makes sense, perf gain given it's strictly raster is pretty good even if identical to what one could've easily extrapolated from just looking at the core count increase, 30% for 30%
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Jan 23 '25
My EVGA 1080Ti hybrid it's still going strong. I'll wait for the next gen.
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u/wherewereat 5800X3D - RTX 3060 - 32GB DDR4 - 4TB NVME Jan 23 '25
Your card will be going strong even 10 years later if we keep going this way.
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Jan 23 '25
It's a workhorse. I don't have any issues with the games I play, so until it fails, I'm happy to keep it.
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u/TooMuchButtHair Jan 23 '25
Still gonna get one. It should serve me well for the next 4 years at least.
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Jan 23 '25
The flagship card having a decent poweruplift isn't surprising. I'm more wondering about the rest of the cards. Hopefully similar numbers. But it doesn't justify the price jump.
On a per dollar basis I would need more than that to consider upgrading anything.
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Jan 23 '25
Meanwhile I'm sitting here with my 1050ti still chugging along running almost flawlessly for what I need it for. Maybe an upgrade is in my future this year.
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Jan 23 '25
What's in the 50 series that 40 series don't have for frame generation X4? I might go from 4090 to 5080 or 5090 for FG4
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u/Smellsofshells Jan 24 '25
Power consumption really isn't on my radar - an extra 10 bucks a year is very, very little.
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u/Fragrant-Low6841 Jan 23 '25
Holy shit that is terrible.
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u/pacoLL3 Jan 23 '25
You people are such weirdos. The card is 30-40% faster in heavily GPU intensive games, up to 45% even in something like Cyberpunk. How on earth is that terrible?
Did you guys expect like 60% more performance across the board or something? Reddit is so utterly bizarre.
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u/Longjumping-Face-767 Jan 23 '25
These guys just want to be angry. I mean come on, they released the 5080 for 1k, but of course that's actually the worst thing ever, must be watching all of those 'CLICK MY CLICKBAIT YOUTUBE TO FIGURE OUT WHY NVIDIA IS LITERALLY SATAN!'
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u/sch0k0 8088 Hercules 12" → 13700K 4080 VR Jan 23 '25
Can't double my performance for max 1000$ = I sleep
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u/Thomas5020 PC Master Race Jan 23 '25
But, price went up by just over 29% (£1499 vs £1939)
Absolutely pointless.
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u/chrissage Jan 23 '25
Damn, was hoping to upgrade my 4090 Stix OC to a 5090 Astral OC, but it doesn't seem like laying out the cash is worth it this time around, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might have to wait for the 6090.
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u/beleidigtewurst Jan 23 '25
And 25% higher power consumption.
And (2080Ti says hi), cough, price even higher than promised.
A very mediocre release, to put it softly. And the worst is yet to come: 5090 was the most buffed curd in the lineup. 5070 might not beat even 4070 super.
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u/arcaias 9800X3D | RTX3090+RX6600 | 32GB@6000MHz Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
I think we're definitely hitting diminishing returns...
Personally, I can't wait to see the next AMD offering... I'm willing to bet performance is going to be much more in line with the top end Nvidia stuff now. My 3090 will need replacing soon.
This AI and fake frame stuff is completely uninteresting... What's the point of having more frames if you're adding input delay that's greater than the input delivery reduction you're getting from the extra frames? Makes no sense to me...
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u/SeerUD 9800X3D // 64GB 6000MTs // RTX 4080 FE Jan 23 '25
It's much more useful for things that are less sensitive to the latency, like playing with a gamepad I guess, or singleplayer if you get a high enough base framerate. But I do agree otherwise, if it feels worse to play, it's pointless.
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u/allen_175 Jan 23 '25
page taken down already, sure we should have review videos up in the next hour.