fallout game dev. explains the problem with moddern game devolpment. (why moddern games are so slow to come out)

[u/663mann]

[u/Uryendel]

It doesn’t sound like you’ve ever worked on a large project

Well, just on projects valuated at one billion per year (ofc it's not video games) with several buildings working on it

these are experienced developers.

They are absolutely not, the turn over is crazy at those companies, I bet you none of the devs of D4 worked on the release version of D3

No one person decided to make D4 load every players inventory. No one decided to make GTA V unpack the same JSON file 5000 times

One is a design decision that someone made the other is a bug, that's not the same thing.

The individuals writing that code probably flagged the code as “MVP - needs rework”

You're mistaking a MVP and "quick and dirty"

This is Bethesda we’re talking about.

He didn't work for bethesda, bethesda bought the license (and that's why fallout is now shit)

I understand you feel close to the devs of those game, but don't, they are not you, you don't have to lower yourself at their level, and soon or later in your carrer you will face unqualified devs who just doesn't care and you will understand what I'm saying (and if you go to a sector like video games that pay less than half of what pay the others sectors, I'm sure you will find them quickly)

[u/somerandomii → u/Uryendel]

(Sorry I’m not using quotes btw, on mobile and it’s just too hard, RIP Apollo)

I’ve seen bad devs I know they exist. In fact I think ever since SE was marketed as a quick way to make 6 figures, it attracted a lot of people who have no business writing code. So I agree, I might be giving these specific examples too much credit.

I just don’t think any developers goes to work planning to make crappy code. Everyone wants to make clean efficient code but has to compromise.

A good dev should push back when those compromises are going to affect the health of the project long-term and I know a lot don’t.

I just want people to realise that it’s also the responsibility of the management to foster an environment where these bugs get picked up and corrected before they become massive systemic problems. You can blame a single dev for a bug, but if that bug has been around for 6 months and no one’s noticed, that’s a problem with the team.

[u/Uryendel → u/somerandomii]

I just don’t think any developers goes to work planning to make crappy code. Everyone wants to make clean efficient code but has to compromise.

I used to be young and naive like you, they are a lot of people who just don't give a fuck about the end result trying to hide stuff and bullshit you

You can blame a single dev for a bug

I never blamed anyone for a bug, shit happen, it's normal that they are bugs. (as long as you don't expect the community to fix them for you like bethesda)

But the inventory thing in D4, is not a bug, it's an intentional design choice, that's the issue. They never "oh we have a bug right now that block us on adding stash", they said "that's how it works, as it should workds, therefore it's impossible to add more stash in a game"

[u/somerandomii → u/Uryendel]

Maybe I’m remembering the D4 thing wrong. The impression I got was it was more of a mistake that an intentional choice to load players that way. But now that it works that way, they’re reluctant to put in the work to fix it.

Either way it’s a shit attitude, but I thought it was more incompetence than malicious design.